MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[HarmonyE.]

We don't even know whether the agency investigating her disappearance considers this a crime right now. But if they do, and if they think she was removed from the house after she died, I guarantee you an assailant who was a stranger to her is not high on their list of theories. MOO.

I agree, which is why I mentioned Shanann Watts and the missing sheet. And considering Sandra's exceptionally small circle of friends, that would be a short suspect list.

I'd also like to know if this was or is being investigated as a crime or if it's still at the level of missing person. I still come back to the cops concluding nothing happened at the house. If they'd been able to find any evidence at all to support that something did happen there, this would have been elevated to a crime investigation, giving LE much greater investigative powers. From the things Laina has said, however, it sound as though it's never been treated as a crime, probably because there is nothing in that house they can point to as evidence. If it's still a missing persons case, the State Police must have come to the same conclusion.

 

[keek]

Do you know where/when she said this? I only heard her say it was missing. Which could simply mean missing from the bed. I ask because if she'd told the cops that, I'd like to think it may have given them a reason to consider this more than just a missing person case.

I believe I heard it in her podcast. I had read it was missing from her, but then I heard the part that they couldn't find it anywhere. Two different ways, but not sure where I knew of which as long ago. You could listen to the podcast or also The Vanished episode. If you go back here you may find that information and also on her fb page. It is there where I found that one.

 

[BostonTimes]

Finding evidence under the bed is not accurate. LM said she got down on her hands and knees and was hoping to find something that would make the police take a closer look at whether or not a crime had occurred. She found something (it wasn't said what it was or what room it was in) and that is what was reported to police.

If a person killed her in her house and
also took her body away, that's not the usual pattern that occurs when the assailant is a stranger to the victim. I'm not saying it never happens, but usually if a stranger attacks a woman alone in her home, they leave the victim's body where it is. They don't need to take the victim anywhere because they have all the privacy to do whatever they want to do right at her house. No one knows the connection between the perpetrator and the victim. It's less of a risk to leave the victim than to move her. Because if you do, you have 1. created two extra crime scenes with forensic evidence (your vehicle and the place where you dispose of the body) and 2. you risk being seen by witnesses disposing of the body or transporting it.

So who is likely to move a body after a fatal attack in the home? Someone who is known to the victim. Someone who feels that if she's found murdered in her own home, there is some logical thread that links him to her death. He wants to put time and distance between himself and whatever happened to her, so he takes the risk to dispose of the body somewhere else. This gives time before she's found for him to construct an alibi and hopefully raises the question in investigators' minds of whether something happened to her away from the home.

We don't even know whether the agency investigating her disappearance considers this a crime right now. But if they do, and if they think she was removed from the house after she died, I guarantee you an assailant who was a stranger to her is not high on their list of theories. MOO.

Would the State Police stay in if it was deemed a missing person case? Doesnt seem like they are doing much more than what the local police department has already done. Isnt it true, things could only move forward if it was a criminal case? I don't understand why this missing person case is followed by the State Police if still considered missing or are they just waiting for the Forensics to come back? Also How did the local police miss forensics. If forensics were found as daughter states why wasn't the local PD notified? IMO

 

[BostonTimes]

That is why Laina appealed to the State Attorney General. She had no confidence in Hanson PD's ability to investigate her mother's disappearance. That's when the State Police were called in to assist in the investigation.

But why are State Police still treating as a missing person case if they are involved and have collected more evidence? Even if nothing is disclosed wouldn't they at least disclose it was upgraded to a crime investigation????

 

[BostonTimes]

Finding evidence under the bed is not accurate. LM said she got down on her hands and knees and was hoping to find something that would make the police take a closer look at whether or not a crime had occurred. She found something (it wasn't said what it was or what room it was in) and that is what was reported to police.

If a person killed her in her house and
also took her body away, that's not the usual pattern that occurs when the assailant is a stranger to the victim. I'm not saying it never happens, but usually if a stranger attacks a woman alone in her home, they leave the victim's body where it is. They don't need to take the victim anywhere because they have all the privacy to do whatever they want to do right at her house. No one knows the connection between the perpetrator and the victim. It's less of a risk to leave the victim than to move her. Because if you do, you have 1. created two extra crime scenes with forensic evidence (your vehicle and the place where you dispose of the body) and 2. you risk being seen by witnesses disposing of the body or transporting it.

So who is likely to move a body after a fatal attack in the home? Someone who is known to the victim. Someone who feels that if she's found murdered in her own home, there is some logical thread that links him to her death. He wants to put time and distance between himself and whatever happened to her, so he takes the risk to dispose of the body somewhere else. This gives time before she's found for him to construct an alibi and hopefully raises the question in investigators' minds of whether something happened to her away from the home.

We don't even know whether the agency investigating her disappearance considers this a crime right now. But if they do, and if they think she was removed from the house after she died, I guarantee you an assailant who was a stranger to her is not high on their list of theories. MOO.

If State Police considered this a crime they would be able to get search warrants and do much more - Thats how I understand it.

 

[HarmonyE.]

But why are State Police still treating as a missing person case if they are involved and have collected more evidence? Even if nothing is disclosed wouldn't they at least disclose it was upgraded to a crime investigation????

My understanding is that there has to be evidence of a crime in order to treat it as a crime. Adults are allowed to walk away from their life if that's what they choose to do.

I don't think we know that the state police has collected any further evidence.

This is why I don't think LE - local or state police - consider the house to be crime scene. Of course, we can only base this on what Laina has recently said about the police not being able to get cooperation from several people. But if anyone had evidence that would support the possibility that Sandra was attacked in her home, this would be treated as a criminal investigation. Of that we can be sure.

I continue to suspect that Sandra either never made it back into the house after her trip to the mechanic's or that she voluntarily left at some point later on Wednesday with her same shoes on and her purse in hand.

 

[alexwood]

But why are State Police still treating as a missing person case if they are involved and have collected more evidence? Even if nothing is disclosed wouldn't they at least disclose it was upgraded to a crime investigation????

No. As you know, they like to keep things "close to the vest."

 

[BostonTimes]

No. As you know, they like to keep things "close to the vest."

If the state police found it a crime scene they would be able to question people. I do not believe people have been "questioned" whereabouts on a certain night with proof.

 

[HarmonyE.]

If the state police found it a crime scene they would be able to question people. I do not believe people have been "questioned" whereabouts on a certain night with proof.

And yet I believe I've heard that certain people have been "cleared". Which doesn't fit with the narrative that LE isn't treating this as a criminal investigation. We're missing so much info here.

 

[BostonTimes]

And yet I believe I've heard that certain people have been "cleared". Which doesn't fit with the narrative that LE isn't treating this as a criminal investigation. We're missing so much info here.

Where are the forensic results? Did they come back with nothing that indicates a criminal case? If nothing then why wouldn't the state police hand back to hanson police department? Just a question. Is this still a missing person case? How can one be ruled out on a missing person case. I didn't think that was possible without an investigation.

 

[OnlyFacts]

I continue to suspect that Sandra either never made it back into the house after her trip to the mechanic's

I think you're absolutely correct. But the police don't seem to be checking that angle out.

 

[BostonTimes]

I think you're absolutely correct. But the police don't seem to be checking that angle out.[/QUOTE
Could this possibly turned into a criminal case and we are not aware? That is what I suspect.

 

[detectorhector]

He probably just misspoke, but I found it odd, so figured I'd make a note of it- in the Vanished podcast, the son in law was talking about taking Sandra home and dropping her off, and when they got back to her house he said "Do you guys need anything else?" "You guys," referring to Sandra, who is one person. It was right before the 19 minute mark.EPISODE 269: Sandra Crispo — The Vanished Podcast

 

[HarmonyE.]

He probably just misspoke, but I found it odd, so figured I'd make a note of it- in the Vanished podcast, the son in law was talking about taking Sandra home and dropping her off, and when they got back to her house he said "Do you guys need anything else?" "You guys," referring to Sandra, who is one person. It was right before the 19 minute mark.EPISODE 269: Sandra Crispo — The Vanished Podcast

Good catch. I missed that. He clearly said "you guys". Bit odd, considering he seems to be indicating they were in Sandra's driveway at the time, dropping her off. (Not that you'd be asking such little kids what they "needed" at Cumberland Farms.) The other "guy" couldn't have been Sandra's cousin, as she would have had a vehicle and SIL also clearly says they got the cigarettes because Sandra would have been without transporation for "a few days".

 

[Curious-A]

He probably just misspoke, but I found it odd, so figured I'd make a note of it- in the Vanished podcast, the son in law was talking about taking Sandra home and dropping her off, and when they got back to her house he said "Do you guys need anything else?" "You guys," referring to Sandra, who is one person. It was right before the 19 minute mark.EPISODE 269: Sandra Crispo — The Vanished Podcast

Maybe the sil was referring to Sandra and her dog she. He said
“You guys”

On another interesting note...I don’t know if I misheard but I noticed something her cousin said in the podcast at around @9:40 that really struck me. She was describing how close Sandra and she had been all through their childhood and reconnected again about 6 yrs ago and how Sandra would sometimes spend the night at her house. Then she goes on and says that she and Sandra “ before she passed away” were talking and thinking one day about how they have never had an argument or fight in all the time that they’ve known each other. I had to listen to it a few times to see if I had heard correctly. Did anyone notice or hear that? Or am I just hearing things?

 

[Yemelyan]

Maybe the sil was referring to Sandra and her dog she. He said
“You guys”

On another interesting note...I don’t know if I misheard but I noticed something her cousin said in the podcast at around @9:40 that really struck me. She was describing how close Sandra and she had been all through their childhood and reconnected again about 6 yrs ago and how Sandra would sometimes spend the night at her house. Then she goes on and says that she and Sandra “ before she passed away” were talking and thinking one day about how they have never had an argument or fight in all the time that they’ve known each other. I had to listen to it a few times to see if I had heard correctly. Did anyone notice or hear that? Or am I just hearing things?

She definitely said this. It was intentional, IMO. LM has also expressed her belief that Sandra is no longer alive. I think some family members have made a decision to come to peace with it by referring to Sandra this way.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Maybe the sil was referring to Sandra and her dog she. He said
“You guys”

On another interesting note...I don’t know if I misheard but I noticed something her cousin said in the podcast at around @9:40 that really struck me. She was describing how close Sandra and she had been all through their childhood and reconnected again about 6 yrs ago and how Sandra would sometimes spend the night at her house. Then she goes on and says that she and Sandra “ before she passed away” were talking and thinking one day about how they have never had an argument or fight in all the time that they’ve known each other. I had to listen to it a few times to see if I had heard correctly. Did anyone notice or hear that? Or am I just hearing things?

She did say that and I made note of it at the time. But to be honest, I've typed "died" out here instead of "went missing" and then gone back to correct. It seems that the family members that we've heard from are all convinced she is no longer alive.

I suppose "you guys" could include the dog, although I've never used that phrase to include pets in a context like this one. If the dog needs dog food, Sandra needs to get it for him. "Do you need anything else?" covers what she might need for the dog.

 

[Yemelyan]

@Curious-A You actually mentioned something else kind of interesting. After The Missing podcast, we found out that Sandra and her children had "gone their separate ways" from the kids' early adulthood, apparently, and Sandra "started coming around again" upon the birth of the oldest grandchild, who was about five at the time of Sandra's disappearance, according to multiple reports.

Now in The Vanished podcast, we find out that Sandra also reconnected with the cousin about six years ago from today. I guess I'd always assumed that since "Sandra always kept her circle small" that even though she may have been estranged from her adult kids for a period of time, that she remained close to these other relations who are always mentioned as her closest friends. Now I guess that is called into question.

Who was Sandra associating with during the period in her life where she went her separate ways from relatives/bosom friends? And does it have any bearing on her disappearance?

 

[HarmonyE.]

Who was Sandra associating with during the period in her life where she went her separate ways from relatives/bosom friends? And does it have any bearing on her disappearance?

I think the answer to this question could possibly be the key to solving this case.

Yeah, okay, she was just a little ol' homebody grandma who was close to being a recluse. But what was she up to 10 years ago? 20 years ago around the time she got divorced? Why wasn't she in contact with her daughter and closest buddy, her cousin? I can't believe an attractive young woman with no physical or mental health problems had no contact with anyone but her father for all those years. She'd been married, raised her kids (to a certain age), worked on a fishing boat. And she lived on Houghs Neck where everyone must have known her name and where her kids must have been in close proximity to her the entire time. It's one square mile, FFS!

Never mind the cranberry bogs, who was Sandra Crispo?

 

[MimosaMornings]

I think the answer to this question could possibly be the key to solving this case.

Yeah, okay, she was just a little ol' homebody grandma who was close to being a recluse. But what was she up to 10 years ago? 20 years ago around the time she got divorced? Why wasn't she in contact with her daughter and closest buddy, her cousin? I can't believe an attractive young woman with no physical or mental health problems had no contact with anyone but her father for all those years. She'd been married, raised her kids (to a certain age), worked on a fishing boat. And she lived on Houghs Neck where everyone must have known her name and where her kids must have been in close proximity to her the entire time. It's one square mile, FFS!

Never mind the cranberry bogs, who was Sandra Crispo?

Who was Sandra Crispo is a good question.

I don’t think that information has been shared by the family or her friends?
Other than she was a homebody grandmother. No cell phone. No internet. No digital life or imprint whatsoever.
No favorite things or vacation spot.
Doesn’t sound like she ever left the house.
No favorite tv show. No favorite store to buy crafts. What type of crafts? Sewing? Recycling furniture? Hot glue projects?
Did not handle her own expenses, repairs, car, financial planning, etc.
We know very little about Sandra.
JMO