MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[Curiosity1234]

@Curiosity1234 I think from what the daughter said on The Vanished episode, she found something she WANTED or HOPED to find.

She stated that she hoped to find forensic evidence so that the state police would escalate the case and begin to consider whether or not foul play was involved. She hints, but cannot say, if what she found accomplished that goal.

I think we can guess or infer that she thinks she found forensic evidence that day. If I had to totally speculate I'd say blood evidence.

Thank you Yemelyan for the information on the damage to the car and what the evidence might be that was found. It's always helpful to get additional information and speculation from others.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Even though LE considers this a disappearance, it's quite possible they know this disappearance was a well planned and executed event with very little to no evidence. Prayers for closure for the family of SC.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Even though LE considers this a disappearance, it's quite possible they know this disappearance was a well planned and executed event with very little to no evidence. Prayers for closure for the family of SC.

If LM found blood evidence that belonged to SC, wouldn't LE say they believe that the missing person (SC) might be injured ?

 

[Dotrat]

If LM found blood evidence that belonged to SC, wouldn't LE say they believe that the missing person (SC) might be injured ?

MOO is if what LM found was confirmed to be blood and also confirmed to be human blood it may have been such a small amount like a tiny drop that it wouldn’t be from a major injury but like a tiny cut so not enough to say foul play/crime.

 

[Yemelyan]

MOO is if what LM found was confirmed to be blood and also confirmed to be human blood it may have been such a small amount like a tiny drop that it wouldn’t be from a major injury but like a tiny cut so not enough to say foul play/crime.

Yes. IF that's what was found (speculating obviously, it may not be this at all) then unless there's something very unique about the amount or droplet pattern or something (which begs the question of why was it only found months later) then it's up to LE to decide if it's suspicious or not.

 

[BostonTimes]

Just throwing some thoughts out there. LM was on her hands and knees as if she were looking for something. Was there something she expected to find but didn't ? What was it ? She did find something she didn't expect to find. The police have it as a prospective piece of evidence. Was it a clue left by SC that something terrible was taking place ? Was it a clue that was unintentionally left behind by her assailant. SC could have been attacked in her bedroom and knocked out or worse; wrapped in the missing fitted sheet to disguise the body and carried out of the house. The dog was acting strange because it hadn't had food or water in close to 40. hours. I think whatever happened took place on Wednesday night. Did the police ever check with the mechanic to see if the work needing to be done on SC's vehicle was normal wear and tear or did someone deliberately cause it to not run right ?

Imo this doesn't make sense. Canine did searches but didn't have any hits. So LM was the only one who identified foresics? the dogs missed it. Imo that's off. If the state troopers had forensics that would say foul play was involved it would turn the case into a crime scene and could obtain warrants. Right now according to the podcast the state police are not using warrants.

 

[BostonTimes]

Even though LE considers this a disappearance, it's quite possible they know this disappearance was a well planned and executed event with very little to no evidence. Prayers for closure for the family of SC.

Why would state police stay in for a disappearance. Why wouldn't Hanson pd stay on

 

[Yemelyan]

Why would state police stay in for a disappearance. Why wouldn't Hanson pd stay on

Here is some information (from Wikipedia) regarding the MA State Police detective units that may be relevant, bolding by me:

The Commonwealth is divided into 11 State Police detective units that work out of various district attorneys' offices. Boston, Springfield and Worcester are the only cities in the Commonwealth that have the authority to investigate homicides. This responsibility is granted through the District Attorney's Office in each city's respective county. According to Massachusetts General Law, all homicides are under the control of the District Attorney in the county they occur. Only the District Attorney can delegate the responsibility of investigating homicides to another party. In Springfield and Worcester, it is the captain in charge of the Detective Bureau, and in Boston, it is the commander of the Homicide Unit. The various district attorneys' offices investigate all other homicides in any other cities or towns. The detective units also investigate many other major crimes and serious incidents.

I would also point out that when Sandra's family had the vigil for her a few weeks after she disappeared, the Plymouth County DA was in attendance at that event to show support for the family. Source: 'We will not stop searching,' says family of missing Hanson woman at vigil

 

[BostonTimes]

Here is some information (from Wikipedia) regarding the MA State Police detective units that may be relevant, bolding by me:

The Commonwealth is divided into 11 State Police detective units that work out of various district attorneys' offices. Boston, Springfield and Worcester are the only cities in the Commonwealth that have the authority to investigate homicides. This responsibility is granted through the District Attorney's Office in each city's respective county. According to Massachusetts General Law, all homicides are under the control of the District Attorney in the county they occur. Only the District Attorney can delegate the responsibility of investigating homicides to another party. In Springfield and Worcester, it is the captain in charge of the Detective Bureau, and in Boston, it is the commander of the Homicide Unit. The various district attorneys' offices investigate all other homicides in any other cities or towns. The detective units also investigate many other major crimes and serious incidents.

I would also point out that when Sandra's family had the vigil for her a few weeks after she disappeared, the Plymouth County DA was in attendance at that event to show support for the family. Source: 'We will not stop searching,' says family of missing Hanson woman at vigil

Here is some information (from Wikipedia) regarding the MA State Police detective units that may be relevant, bolding by me:

The Commonwealth is divided into 11 State Police detective units that work out of various district attorneys' offices. Boston, Springfield and Worcester are the only cities in the Commonwealth that have the authority to investigate homicides. This responsibility is granted through the District Attorney's Office in each city's respective county. According to Massachusetts General Law, all homicides are under the control of the District Attorney in the county they occur. Only the District Attorney can delegate the responsibility of investigating homicides to another party. In Springfield and Worcester, it is the captain in charge of the Detective Bureau, and in Boston, it is the commander of the Homicide Unit. The various district attorneys' offices investigate all other homicides in any other cities or towns. The detective units also investigate many other major crimes and serious incidents.

I would also point out that when Sandra's family had the vigil for her a few weeks after she disappeared, the Plymouth County DA was in attendance at that event to show support for the family. Source: 'We will not stop searching,' says family of missing Hanson woman at vigil

Actually Hanson pd is still in. If it is not being treated as a homicide why are state police staying in. If there was blood found wouldn't that indicate foul play and then be able to have search warrants for questioning. It was said on the vanished that family refuse to talk to police. If blood was found the police could do more. Get search warrants and question people.

 

[Yemelyan]

Actually Hanson pd is still in. If it is not being treated as a homicide why are state police staying in. If there was blood found wouldn't that indicate foul play and then be able to have search warrants for questioning. It was said on the vanished that family refuse to talk to police. If blood was found the police could do more. Get search warrants and question people.

From what I originally quoted: "The (State Police) Detective Units also investigate many other major crimes and serious incidents." That's probably your answer.

If they don't know for sure it is a homicide, but the family is insisting something else is going on and the possibility of a major crime is on the table, Hanson PD can choose to partner with the Plymouth County DA in the investigation into the disappearance.

Also, we don't know that blood evidence was found. That was speculation based on types of "evidence" you might still expect to see weeks later.

 

[BostonTimes]

From what I originally quoted: "The (State Police) Detective Units also investigate many other major crimes and serious incidents." That's probably your answer.

If they don't know for sure it is a homicide, but the family is insisting something else is going on and the possibility of a major crime is on the table, Hanson PD can choose to partner with the Plymouth County DA in the investigation into the disappearance.

Also, we don't know that blood evidence was found. That was speculation based on types of "evidence" you might still expect to see weeks later.

I read that part and understand. But if state troopers f II nd enough to stay in on, why no search warrants???

 

[Yemelyan]

I read that part and understand. But if state troopers f II nd enough to stay in on, why no search warrants???

Because they can also assist in the investigation of missing persons, whether or not it's yet been determined if there is foul play?

Because to get a search warrant, you need probable cause against a particular person, not just evidence in general?

 

[BostonTimes]

Because they can also assist in the investigation of missing persons, whether or not it's yet been determined if there is foul play?

Because to get a search warrant, you need probable cause against a particular person, not just evidence in general?

Probable cause. Who saw her last. Insisting this is a person that wouldn't just go missing yet showed up with 3 little kids not knowing what you would find knowing something was wrong and then going to work. That's all IMHO and it doesn't mean I think there is guilt but why not check. Imho

 

[Yemelyan]

Probable cause. Who saw her last. Insisting this is a person that wouldn't just go missing yet showed up with 3 little kids not knowing what you would find knowing something was wrong and then going to work. That's all IMHO and it doesn't mean I think there is guilt but why not check. Imho

Probable cause, legally speaking, doesn't mean "someone did something suspicious." I'm not sure the example you gave is all that suspicious anyway. But in any case, it's more than a hunch or an odd feeling and it's more than suspicious behavior.

Probable cause is when there are objective circumstances leading LE to believe that a suspect committed a crime. It's less than "sure beyond a reasonable doubt" but it's much more than "seems suspicious to me so let's look into it."

MOO.

 

[BostonTimes]

Probable cause, legally speaking, doesn't mean "someone did something suspicious." I'm not sure the example you gave is all that suspicious anyway. But in any case, it's more than a hunch or an odd feeling and it's more than suspicious behavior.

Probable cause is when there are objective circumstances leading LE to believe that a suspect committed a crime. It's less than "sure beyond a reasonable doubt" but it's much more than "seems suspicious to me so let's look into it."

MOO.

I don't know. Last person to see her and not checking in when you are going to drop off 3 kids before going to work seems suspect. Imho. Yet the sil said in the vanished podcast they check with whoever is watching there kids the night before yet they didn't do that for Sandra even with no answer all day without a car. Didn't call family either to see if she was with someone. Sad. This is what was said came done and also not done. Reasonable suspicion imho

 

[Curiosity1234]

I don't know. Last person to see her and not checking in when you are going to drop off 3 kids before going to work seems suspect. Imho. Yet the sil said in the vanished podcast they check with whoever is watching there kids the night before yet they didn't do that for Sandra even with no answer all day without a car. Didn't call family either to see if she was with someone. Sad. This is what was said came done and also not done. Reasonable suspicion imho

I was surprised that the daughter never called her mother any time Thursday afternoon or evening to let her know what car repairs would cost or when car would be ready if in fact, she knew. Even though daughter thought it was odd that her mother didn't answer phone to mechanic, it didn't appear to be alarming. Hindsight creates a clearer picture.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I was surprised that the daughter never called her mother any time Thursday afternoon or evening to let her know what car repairs would cost or when car would be ready if in fact, she knew. Even though daughter thought it was odd that her mother didn't answer phone to mechanic, it didn't appear to be alarming. Hindsight creates a clearer picture.

Additionally, some people's intuitive feelings are so finely tuned, it's like an alarm system that keeps going off until that person takes action. Not every person has it.

 

[Yemelyan]

I was surprised that the daughter never called her mother any time Thursday afternoon or evening to let her know what car repairs would cost or when car would be ready if in fact, she knew. Even though daughter thought it was odd that her mother didn't answer phone to mechanic, it didn't appear to be alarming. Hindsight creates a clearer picture.

I don't think she needed to let her mom know what the repairs cost as it sounded like she and her husband were taking care of it. But, she did attempt to reach out to her mom about it....According to articles at the time, the mechanic didn't reach out to Sandra at all....The initial call from the mechanic was to the daughter (the mechanic is a friend/neighbor IIRC) to let her know that additional parts were needed and that triggered Sandra's daughter to call her mom to explain the situation with the car, but she received no answer at that time. That was during the day on Thursday.

Source: Family fears foul play involved in disappearance of grandmother missing 40 days from Massachusetts home

 

[Curiosity1234]

I don't think she needed to let her mom know what the repairs cost as it sounded like she and her husband were taking care of it. But, she did attempt to reach out to her mom about it....According to articles at the time, the mechanic didn't reach out to Sandra at all....The initial call from the mechanic was to the daughter (the mechanic is a friend/neighbor IIRC) to let her know that additional parts were needed and that triggered Sandra's daughter to call her mom to explain the situation with the car, but she received no answer at that time. That was during the day on Thursday.

Source: Family fears foul play involved in disappearance of grandmother missing 40 days from Massachusetts home[/QU

Thank you Yemelyan for clarifying this. I am pretty certain I read on a very early post that the mechanic called SC and got no answer so he called LM who was at the beach with the kids. It also said LM was concerned about SC not answering mechanics call but LM never called to check on her. Misinformation that is said in here can make someone look bad (in this case LM).

 

[detectorhector]

Completely off subject, but I was just thinking about how odd it is that there aren't really any recent photos of Sandra. The main photos they have of her are from her daughter's wedding in 2015 and her driver's license photo. The daughter saw her multiple times a week because Sandra babysat them and the son's hobby is photography.