MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[HarmonyE.]

It seems from information in the The Vanished that Sandra was perhaps known for not always answering her phone. So it is possible that there are people in her life who, when they want to visit/see her, just show up. I know that my parents and their friends were this way in the pre-cell phone era. There were certain people you are close enough to, that you'd just swing by.

I agree that this is a very possible scenario. Still a bit odd though that the people who were closest to her at the time could think of no one who might be inclined to visit Sandra unannounced. Of course, such a person or persons would automatically end up becoming suspect/suspects.

 

[keek]

I agree that this is a very possible scenario. Still a bit odd though that the people who were closest to her at the time could think of no one who might be inclined to visit Sandra unannounced. Of course, such a person or persons would automatically end up becoming suspect/suspects.

I have gone back to my original from the beginning since gleaning family info, believe she is in the ocean from the beginning. Boat family and access. That's who knows though I believe her daughter can't think along those lines. If and when an arrest or arrests for sure are made, people, some, most, involved in searching etc. will be shocked, but I won't be.

 

[annpats]

Still a bit odd though that the people who were closest to her at the time could think of no one who might be inclined to visit Sandra unannounced. Of course, such a person or persons would automatically end up becoming suspect/suspects.

I also think that the people that didn't visit her that evening when they knew she was uncontactable, and only lived a 10 minute drive away, could also be viewed as suspects. MOO.

 

[keek]

I also think that the people that didn't visit her that evening when they knew she was uncontactable, and only lived a 10 minute drive away, could also be viewed as suspects. MOO.

I don't believe her daughter believes, or did NOT in the beginning, her family had anything to do with this. That might of changed since. In the very beginning there was more outside info out there, reading in between lines, It seemed obvious what happened and why. She has never turned up one way or the other and she most likely never will. We can only hope and wait that LE comes to a firm and solid conclusion when they're ready.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I find it interesting that Sandra was not equipped to drive the kids anywhere. With both parents working, it seems like there could have been a situation come up where a child might have needed to go to the hospital for stitches or something. Seems shortsighted to not have a person looking after them who can drive them or at least has a cell phone.

And before anyone says that it's just because of needing three car seats, I've driven small sedans with three installed across the back. They make low profile ones now just for this purpose; they aren't cheap but they are very safe.

This makes me wonder if she wasn't a confident driver or if she's had a lot of accidents in the past, leading to her not wanting to take on the responsibility of driving the kids.

So if she's not fond of driving in general, I wonder if this could relate to why she happened to go missing on the one day that she couldn't have driven herself. Was there a place she might have put off going, or only went with other people? Maybe this is something not well known to her family if it's infrequent.

According to the SIL, SC bought a newer car and had an accident but he didn't say when. This newer car must have been totaled because nothing was said about fixing it. Her old car was sitting on her sister Linda's property. She started driving that car and it is this car that got damage to the exhaust system when SC drove it over a mound of snow; this is the car that was at mechanics when SC disappeared.

 

[HarmonyE.]

According to the SIL, SC bought a newer car and had an accident but he didn't say when. This newer car must have been totaled because nothing was said about fixing it. Her old car was sitting on her sister Linda's property. She started driving that car and it is this car that got damage to the exhaust system when SC drove it over a mound of snow; this is the car that was at mechanics when SC disappeared.

I could be wrong, but think I recall reading or hearing that the newer car had been her father's. After she took possession of it, she gave her own, somewhat older car to a family member (the sister?) but sometime later totaled the father's car. She then requested that her family member return her original car, which is the car that was damaged when she drove over a snow bank. Her son in law said they wanted to repair it before the following winter, which was at that point a good four months away.

(Bad luck, I guess, as there is no record that I could find of Sandra having any DUIs.)

 

[Curiosity1234]

I could be wrong, but think I recall reading or hearing that the newer car had been her father's. After she took possession of it, she gave her own, somewhat older car to a family member (the sister?) but sometime later totaled the father's car. She then requested that her family member return her original car, which is the car that was damaged when she drove over a snow bank. Her son in law said they wanted to repair it before the following winter, which was at that point a good four months away.

(Bad luck, I guess, as there is no record that I could find of Sandra having any DUIs.)

The only podcast I listened to was The Vanished #269, that is where the SIL talks about SC buying a newer car. Nothing was said about her inheriting her father's car. I also recall the car that was at her sister Linda's home was blue but I don't recall the make of it; what stuck in my mind was that it was a small car but I could be wrong about the size of it.

 

[HarmonyE.]

The only podcast I listened to was The Vanished #269, that is where the SIL talks about SC buying a newer car. Nothing was said about her inheriting her father's car. I also recall the car that was at her sister Linda's home was blue but I don't recall the make of it; what stuck in my mind was that it was a small car but I could be wrong about the size of it.

A Toyota Scion, I think. Not sure it has significance but interesting that there are different versions about the "new" car. Another family member said the car was originally her father's. Regardless, it's hard to total a new car; it must have sustained a good amount of damage.

 

[Yemelyan]

Regarding the car situation, this is exactly what the SIL says in The Vanished. She did "inherit" her father's car, in the sense that she was driving it after he passed - that is the car that was totaled. She then took back her old Scion and also damaged it:

This is from minute 17:30 of The Vanished episode, the SIL is talking:

"When her father passed, he had a newer vehicle that he was driving around that Sandra decided to start driving. It was a newer, nicer car and her sister took Sandra’s old vehicle just as a spare. Sandra got in a car accident and ended up totaling it. Ended up taking her little blue car back from her sister, and trying to get it out of the driveway, it was in the snowstorm two winters ago at this point, it got stuck in a snowbank. So a couple of our friends had to go over and push her out. When that happened the exhaust system got all mangled and fell off. So she had a little blue Scion and it just sounded horrible. She drove it for eight months, couldn’t have cared less what it sounded like or anything like that. So when she moved to Hanson, she had a little bit of money in the bank, we said enough is enough let's just get it fixed. We’re going into the winter season, your car doesn’t need to be sounding like that."


Note regarding Sandra having money in the bank - earlier at minute 17:11 - “we made a bank account for her to live off of” and “we put some money in the bank for her," also SIL talking.

Source: The Vanished Podcast - Sandra Crispo on Stitcher

 

[keek]

A Toyota Scion, I think. Not sure it has significance but interesting that there are different versions about the "new" car. Another family member said the car was originally her father's. Regardless, it's hard to total a new car; it must have sustained a good amount of damage.

My impression was that it was her father's car too, then asked for her old car she had given to the other person, back. I thought jeeesh, if that was me with the 'old car' and having to give it back I'd be irritated. Nothing to do with anything but a passing remembering the car story.

 

[Yemelyan]

My impression was that it was her father's car too, then asked for her old car she had given to the other person, back. I thought jeeesh, if that was me with the 'old car' and having to give it back I'd be irritated. Nothing to do with anything but a passing remembering the car story.

I'd have been irritated too.

I think all of this could easily have relevance to her disappearance. One car totaled, "taking back" a car that had been given to someone else (who may or may not have been depending on it as it was to be a "spare"), the other car damaged so badly friends had to be marshaled to pull it off a snowbank, no desire to take care of repairs that were potentially hazardous and also a nuisance to people who live near you. It's either a run of really bad luck or an odd, somewhat irresponsible pattern of behavior.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I'd have been irritated too.

I think all of this could easily have relevance to her disappearance. One car totaled, "taking back" a car that had been given to someone else (who may or may not have been depending on it as it was to be a "spare"), the other car damaged so badly friends had to be marshaled to pull it off a snowbank, no desire to take care of repairs that were potentially hazardous and also a nuisance to people who live near you. It's either a run of really bad luck or an odd, somewhat irresponsible pattern of behavior.

The exhaust system would have had to be fixed at some point because it would not have passed the inspection. Surprising that she (SC) didn't get a ticket for driving with a noisy vehicle. You rarely hear noisy exhaust systems any more. It must have annoyed at least some of her neighbors.

 

[Yemelyan]

The exhaust system would have had to be fixed at some point because it would not have passed the inspection. Surprising that she (SC) didn't get a ticket for driving with a noisy vehicle. You rarely hear noisy exhaust systems any more. It must have annoyed at least some of her neighbors.

I know in some neighborhoods, especially if the houses are close together (as they were in Sandra's) the neighbors do have a lot of apprehension when someone new moves in - "is the new person going to be disruptive/loud? Are they going to take care of their property or let it become an eyesore? Are they going to live alone or bring a weird element into the neighborhood in terms of their family/guests?" I imagine a loud exhaust system did raise some eyebrows. And that the neighbors may have been still be in the phase where they were watching to see how things went over at her house.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Along with bouts of depressio, I think SC really needed help manuvering through life's problems as some people do and thats why she lived with her father as opposed to "liked being taken care of". When she moved to Hanson it seems her need for help fell on her daughter and SIL. Not putting SC down, it's just the way it was in MHO.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Along with bouts of depressio, I think SC really needed help manuvering through life's problems as some people do and thats why she lived with her father as opposed to "liked being taken care of". When she moved to Hanson it seems her need for help fell on her daughter and SIL. Not putting SC down, it's just the way it was in MHO.

It sounds like the car stuff (minus the repairs to the Scion) all happened after her father died but before she moved to Hanson. Her father died in January of '18 and Sandra didn't move to Hanson until almost a year and a half later. I know Laina has said she moved because the house was too big (it was two stories, but not exactly a big house. I think it was around 1300 square feet on a tiny lot) and because it made daycare easier for her (Laina). But I wonder if there were concerns about what she was getting up to in Quincy with her father gone. Substance abuse being one thing that comes to mind. Moving to Hanson not only brought her very close (4 miles) to her daughter's family, it brought her away from Houghs Neck and any nearby acquaintances/stomping grounds/temptations.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Along with bouts of depressio, I think SC really needed help manuvering through life's problems as some people do and thats why she lived with her father as opposed to "liked being taken care of". When she moved to Hanson it seems her need for help fell on her daughter and SIL. Not putting SC down, it's just the way it was in MHO.

The person responsible for her disappearance may mave been extremely familiar with her situation.

 

[Curiosity1234]

It sounds like the car stuff (minus the repairs to the Scion) all happened after her father died but before she moved to Hanson. Her father died in January of '18 and Sandra didn't move to Hanson until almost a year and a half later. I know Laina has said she moved because the house was too big (it was two stories, but not exactly a big house. I think it was around 1300 square feet on a tiny lot) and because it made daycare easier for her (Laina). But I wonder if there were concerns about what she was getting up to in Quincy with her father gone. Substance abuse being one thing that comes to mind. Moving to Hanson not only brought her very close (4 miles) to her daughter's family, it brought her away from Houghs Neck and any nearby acquaintances/stomping grounds/temptations.

I am thinking substance abuse including alcohol abuse would be out of the question because I don't believe the daughter or SIL would allow SC to babysit their 3 young sons if that were the case. I certainly wouldnt, would you ?

 

[HarmonyE.]

I am thinking substance abuse including alcohol abuse would be out of the question because I don't believe the daughter or SIL would allow SC to babysit their 3 young sons if that were the case. I certainly wouldnt, would you ?

I would not, if they believed she was in full recovery they may have felt okay about it.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I would not, if they believed she was in full recovery they may have felt okay about it.

Initially I thought SC was the children's primary babysitter but now am rethinking that. Since the SIL said they check the night before with whomever is sitting, it sounds like they might have several sitters and it could be SC might only sit 1 or 2 days a week. Another bit of information we don't know much about.

 

[keek]

The son in law said they opened an account for Sandra and put some money in it for her. So it sounds like they had the control of any other money Sandra had. They may have used the rest of the money for utilities and car insurance etc bills that they paid for her out of their own account which they deposited the rest of her money. I forget if Sandra's name was on the house or in their name or was the house sale money from father's used to buy her new one. NORMALLY, YES, but for some reason I think the house was not put in her name.

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It seemed that the father's house was totally left to only Sandra to me. Normally, when a situation like that occurs, the person, when sells the home has to divvy up the proceeds to the rest. Who paid the utilities and taxes etc on father's house after he died suddenly. She lived there a while after that. Maybe he also left her funds stipulated in a will for that, if he assumed she'd always stay living there.