MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[Yemelyan]

Initially I thought SC was the children's primary babysitter but now am rethinking that. Since the SIL said they check the night before with whomever is sitting, it sounds like they might have several sitters and it could be SC might only sit 1 or 2 days a week. Another bit of information we don't know much about.

I feel like she was described as the "primary caregiver" to the grandkids in either an early article about the disappearance or perhaps in the that first podcast, The Missing. I will have to look for a link.

I think that with two parents, two busy full time jobs, there were probably other times - even if Sandra was the primary - when they had to get, maybe the SIL's parents, to look after the kids, or possibly another family member. So even if she was the primary, there might still be occasions when they needed to coordinate care and it was their practice to reach out to the person to confirm the night before.

One thing I found a little odd about his phrasing when he talked about calling to confirm the night before, though. He said, "She was always in tip top shape." Did anyone else hear this? I thought that was a strange way of saying "she was always available to watch them" IF that's what he meant by tip top shape. When I say "tip top shape" I'm thinking of someone who is alert, fit - it has a physical connotation to me, not just "available." So it seemed odd to me that he used that phrase, or that he felt the need to point that out.

 

[Curiosity1234]

The son in law said they opened an account for Sandra and put some money in it for her. So it sounds like they had the control of any other money Sandra had. They may have used the rest of the money for utilities and car insurance etc bills that they paid for her out of their own account which they deposited the rest of her money. I forget if Sandra's name was on the house or in their name or was the house sale money from father's used to buy her new one. NORMALLY, YES, but for some reason I think the house was not put in her name. Her son in law's mother lives in it now he said, as it was just 'sitting there' and his mother needed another place to live. I know he and his own family own some sort of funding organization that he said they were able to use for themselves during the time /after Sandra was missing, that they qualified. I thought that was unusual as I'm sure both still continued to work. I wonder if the other sister now is the primary sitter for the children. One is son of her brother that they adopted as he was not able to provide in a stable fashion for him. He was there a lot though involved with his son that way. So his mother was a sitter plus grandmother, of course for her daughter's two bio sons and hers brother's.

Things like this might not make any kind of difference to anything, but a lot was not told about family dynamics in the past or in that current time. It seemed that the father's house was totally left to only Sandra to me. Normally, when a situation like that occurs, the person, when sells the home has to divvy up the proceeds to the rest. Who paid the utilities and taxes etc on father's house after he died suddenly. She lived there a while after that. Maybe he also left her funds stipulated in a will for that, if he assumed she'd always stay living there.

It was posted on here recently that SC's home was in SC"s and LM's name. SC might have been the beneficiary of an insurance policy that the father had, we just don't know. The SIL talked about a woman in a hoodie leaving a note on SC's stairs suggesting they look into a man who recently was let out of jail or prison as possibly being involved in SC's disappearance. The woman was seen on video which they had installed after SC's disappearance. The SIL said an in-law needed a place to live so I assumed it was his mother who is living there, which you confirmed keek. The SIL's family runs a nonprofit, I believe.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I feel like she was described as the "primary caregiver" to the grandkids in either an early article about the disappearance or perhaps in the that first podcast, The Missing. I will have to look for a link.

I think that with two parents, two busy full time jobs, there were probably other times - even if Sandra was the primary - when they had to get, maybe the SIL's parents, to look after the kids, or possibly another family member. So even if she was the primary, there might still be occasions when they needed to coordinate care and it was their practice to reach out to the person to confirm the night before.

One thing I found a little odd about his phrasing when he talked about calling to confirm the night before, though. He said, "She was always in tip top shape." Did anyone else hear this? I thought that was a strange way of saying "she was always available to watch them" IF that's what he meant by tip top shape. When I say "tip top shape" I'm thinking of someone who is alert, fit - it has a physical connotation to me, not just "available." So it seemed odd to me that he used that phrase, or that he felt the need to point that out.

Tip top shape to me means exactly what you thought it meant: physically fit and alert.

 

[BostonTimes]

Initially I thought SC was the children's primary babysitter but now am rethinking that. Since the SIL said they check the night before with whomever is sitting, it sounds like they might have several sitters and it could be SC might only sit 1 or 2 days a week. Another bit of information we don't know much about.

I also wondered if someone else watched the children besides Sandra based on SIL statement. I do remember Laina saying Sandra was the quote "child care option for us" In the vanished podcast.

 

[Curiosity1234]

It appears SC lived with her father for a number of years and never had a bank account because she had no income. After he passed away, she alone inherited his house, according to what I read on this site. She sold her father's home and bought the home in Hanson. The difference between selling price and purchase price left a good chunk of money. SIL said they opened bank account and put money in the account for SC, implying it was money from him or him and his wife. It doesn't add up. EDITED BY ME. When I say it doesn't add up I mean why bring up the no bank account issue when discussing someone being missing ? It also implies that house sold and house bought were same price without actually saying it, which is not true.

 

[detectorhector]

It appears SC lived with her father for a number of years and never had a bank account because she had no income. After he passed away, she alone inherited his house, according to what I read on this site. She sold her father's home and bought the home in Hanson. The difference between selling price and purchase price left a good chunk of money. SIL said they opened bank account and put money in the account for SC, implying it was money from him or him and his wife. It doesn't add up. EDITED BY ME. When I say it doesn't add up I mean why bring up the no bank account issue when discussing someone being missing ? It also implies that house sold and house bought were same price without actually saying it, which is not true.

I didn't think it sounded like he was trying to imply that the money they put into SC's bank account was from them. It sounded like they helped her sell the old house, buy the new house and put the difference into a bank account for her (a separate bank account from their own).
This is what Tim said in the Vanished podcast, a bit past the 16:00 mark: "We found this perfect little house for her down the street, made a bank account for her to live off of, and, we were able to sell the house, move her down here, put some money in the bank for her" and "So, when she moved to Hanson, she had a little bit of money in the bank."

 

[Curiosity1234]

I didn't think it sounded like he was trying to imply that the money they put into SC's bank account was from them. It sounded like they helped her sell the old house, buy the new house and put the difference into a bank account for her (a separate bank account from their own).
This is what Tim said in the Vanished podcast, a bit past the 16:00 mark: "We found this perfect little house for her down the street, made a bank account for her to live off of, and, we were able to sell the house, move her down here, put some money in the bank for her" and "So, when she moved to Hanson, she had a little bit of money in the bank."

People have different ways of describing things which can be left open to interpretation if they are not real clear in describing the facts.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I can only think of three reasons for SC"s disappearance: envy, greed, or a grudge. Can anyone think of other reasons ?

 

[HarmonyE.]

I can only think of three reasons for SC"s disappearance: envy, greed, or a grudge. Can anyone think of other reasons ?

Misadventure? An unplanned mishap of some sort that led to something bad happening followed by a cover-up?

 

[Curiosity1234]

Misadventure? An unplanned mishap of some sort that led to something bad happening followed by a cover-up?

That's a possibility too. Why cover-up an unplanned mishap ? If it eventually comes out, won't it come off as really, really suspicious ? How do you keep your composure in the mean time ?

 

[HarmonyE.]

That's a possibility too. Why cover-up an unplanned mishap ? If it eventually comes out, won't it come off as really, really suspicious ? How do you keep your composure in the mean time ?

Panic? Fear of exposure of some sort of legal or civil liability? I'm not suggesting this is what happened, only that I don't think we can rule it out in this case. People do all sorts of strange/awful things when there is fear of consequences. As for composure, I guess we could ask that about everyone who has gotten away with murder....

 

[Yemelyan]

Panic? Fear of exposure of some sort of legal or civil liability? I'm not suggesting this is what happened, only that I don't think we can rule it out in this case. People do all sorts of strange/awful things when there is fear of consequences. As for composure, I guess we could ask that about everyone who has gotten away with murder....

I would even suggest, it might not be a fear of civil or legal liability as much as fear of social shunning at the revelation of who is "responsible" for covering something up. The idea that all of your friends will know what you did, or, worse, your entire family will blame you for what happened could be a very powerful motivator to hide something.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Panic? Fear of exposure of some sort of legal or civil liability? I'm not suggesting this is what happened, only that I don't think we can rule it out in this case. People do all sorts of strange/awful things when there is fear of consequences. As for composure, I guess we could ask that about everyone who has gotten away with murder....

That is a real possibility, an unplanned mishap. Can't imagine your average person even considering and pulling off a cover-up. A psychopath, sure; they are cold and unemotional. There are serious consequences to consider such as illegal disposal of a body but some people may not even know that.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I would even suggest, it might not be a fear of civil or legal liability as much as fear of social shunning at the revelation of who is "responsible" for covering something up. The idea that all of your friends will know what you did, or, worse, your entire family will blame you for what happened could be a very powerful motivator to hide something.

Worse than that, your entire family might be convinced it was no accident after being convinced you had nothing to do with the disappearance to begin with.

 

[Yemelyan]

That is a real possibility, an unplanned mishap. Can't imagine your average person even considering and pulling off a cover-up. A psychopath, sure; they are cold and unemotional. There are serious consequences to consider such as illegal disposal of a body but some people may not even know that.

I think the main thing is that a non-psychopath will eventually have the almost undeniable urge to tell someone what they did. So if that ever happens, that may be when this disappearance is solved.

 

[Curiosity1234]

To pull off disposal of a body along with clothes, shoes, purse and any identification would be quite a daunting task I would think after an unexpected, shocking mishap.

 

[Yemelyan]

To pull off disposal of a body along with clothes, shoes, purse and any identification would be quite a daunting task I would think after an unexpected, shocking mishap.

Yes. But, also depends on the resources at one's disposal.

I would suggest that if misadventure led to Sandra's death, the "crime" scene is probably not her house.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Yes. But, also depends on the resources at one's disposal.

I would suggest that if misadventure led to Sandra's death, the "crime" scene is probably not her house.

You could be right, there are many possibilities. Let's suppose an argument occured in SC's bedroom and she slipped and fell or got shoved, hit her head on her bed and never regained consciousness. This could be the unintentional mishap mentioned before. By removing her body, shoes, and purse and leaving the door unlocked (no fingerprints would be on it) it makes it appear she left on her own. Which is what LE originally thought.

 

[keek]

You could be right, there are many possibilities. Let's suppose an argument occured in SC's bedroom and she slipped and fell or got shoved, hit her head on her bed and never regained consciousness. This could be the unintentional mishap mentioned before. By removing her body, shoes, and purse and leaving the door unlocked (no fingerprints would be on it) it makes it appear she left on her own. Which is what LE originally thought.

 

[keek]

You could be right, there are many possibilities. Let's suppose an argument occured in SC's bedroom and she slipped and fell or got shoved, hit her head on her bed and never regained consciousness. This could be the unintentional mishap mentioned before. By removing her body, shoes, and purse and leaving the door unlocked (no fingerprints would be on it) it makes it appear she left on her own. Which is what LE originally thought.

I still can't believe someone would dare take a chance and take Sandra out of her home in view of the close houses there if she was NOT walking on her own but being carried etc. She is a tall woman. That's why I have to think she did walk out appearing the same as seen earlier on vid.. purse, shoes and all. She went willingly or maybe unwillingly, but def planned on being 'right back' most likely, not overnight due to her pet dog.