MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 August 2019 #2

[detectorhector]

You could be right, there are many possibilities. Let's suppose an argument occured in SC's bedroom and she slipped and fell or got shoved, hit her head on her bed and never regained consciousness. This could be the unintentional mishap mentioned before. By removing her body, shoes, and purse and leaving the door unlocked (no fingerprints would be on it) it makes it appear she left on her own. Which is what LE originally thought.

The person would still need to turn the doorknob, so I don't see how leaving the door unlocked would have to do with leaving fingerprints. They could have wiped it down if they were concerned with fingerprints. The door being unlocked is so puzzling to me. To me, the door being unlocked lends to it looking like she didn't leave willingly; most people lock their doors when they leave, especially women who live alone. Though maybe in your scenario of her being carried out, maybe the perpetrator wouldn't have been thinking about locking the door because it would have been difficult enough to carry out a person while not letting the dog out.

 

[keek]

The person would still need to turn the doorknob, so I don't see how leaving the door unlocked would have to do with leaving fingerprints. They could have wiped it down if they were concerned with fingerprints. The door being unlocked is so puzzling to me. To me, the door being unlocked lends to it looking like she didn't leave willingly; most people lock their doors when they leave, especially women who live alone. Though maybe in your scenario of her being carried out, maybe the perpetrator wouldn't have been thinking about locking the door because it would have been difficult enough to carry out a person while not letting the dog out.

I just wrote that Sandra planned on being 'right back' if she did go willingly and not stay over anywhere due to her dog at home, at least. BUT, you're right, she'd still not leave her door unlocked. Was it said that she took her home keys off the set of keys: car keys, once she left them with the mechanic? I know it's been said much earlier.. but maybe that's why she left her door unlocked and would lock from inside for the night if staying home or when got back in.
Also, if being 'forced' to leave with someone, she'd maybe not think of locking the door behind her or def not the person who forced or talked her into leaving with whoever it was. So a few thoughts on the unlocked door.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I still can't believe someone would dare take a chance and take Sandra out of her home in view of the close houses there if she was NOT walking on her own but being carried etc. She is a tall woman. That's why I have to think she did walk out appearing the same as seen earlier on vid.. purse, shoes and all. She went willingly or maybe unwillingly, but def planned on being 'right back' most likely, not overnight due to her pet dog.

I originally thought she was taken out wrapped in missing sheet to disguise her body. Lots of possibilities as to what happened and where. Neighbors may have heard her noisy car leave when it went to mechanics and didn't hear it come back that night so thought she wasnt home.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I still can't believe someone would dare take a chance and take Sandra out of her home in view of the close houses there if she was NOT walking on her own but being carried etc. She is a tall woman. That's why I have to think she did walk out appearing the same as seen earlier on vid.. purse, shoes and all. She went willingly or maybe unwillingly, but def planned on being 'right back' most likely, not overnight due to her pet dog.

I originally thought she was taken out wrapped in missing sheet to disguise her body. Lots of possibilities as to what happened and where. Neighbors may have heard her noisy car leave when it went to mechanics and didn't hear it come back that night so thought she wasn't home.

The person would still need to turn the doorknob, so I don't see how leaving the door unlocked would have to do with leaving fingerprints. They could have wiped it down if they were concerned with fingerprints. The door being unlocked is so puzzling to me. To me, the door being unlocked lends to it looking like she didn't leave willingly; most people lock their doors when they leave, especially women who live alone. Though maybe in your scenario of her being carried out, maybe the perpetrator wouldn't have been thinking about locking the door because it would have been difficult enough to carry out a person while not letting the dog out.

Someone posted on here that SC was one to keep her doors locked at all times.

 

[detectorhector]

I just wrote that Sandra planned on being 'right back' if she did go willingly and not stay over anywhere due to her dog at home, at least. BUT, you're right, she'd still not leave her door unlocked. Was it said that she took her home keys off the set of keys: car keys, once she left them with the mechanic? I know it's been said much earlier.. but maybe that's why she left her door unlocked and would lock from inside for the night if staying home or when got back in.
Also, if being 'forced' to leave with someone, she'd maybe not think of locking the door behind her or def not the person who forced or talked her into leaving with whoever it was. So a few thoughts on the unlocked door.

I don't think it was confirmed one way or the other if she took her house keys off the ring before the mechanic.

 

[keek]

I originally thought she was taken out wrapped in missing sheet to disguise her body. Lots of possibilities as to what happened and where. Neighbors may have heard her noisy car leave when it went to mechanics and didn't hear it come back that night so thought she wasnt home.

I did too, wrapped in the sheet, then thought so eaaaaaasily seen and I'd think the police would of been called by the viewer of that. It would look like a 'body'! Still that sheet that is NOT in the house is so telling of something most likely. That's a great thought regarding the noisy car not coming back, if they didn't notice Sandra getting dropped off by SIL and the kids from the garage. He said he didn't pull in the driveway. I would think pulling in the driveway then backing out onto the little street would be easier to leave instead of pulling up out front then making a little series of turns to head back out when I think of it now. The neighbors may of taken a look over/ out noticing that, if they were home at that time themselves, with the kids yelling goodbye etc per SIL.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I just don't think anything violent happened in the house. It seems there would have been something more than a single (assumed) missing sheet and a fallen bed slat. Her shoes and purse could have been taken to make it look like she left on her own, but if she'd taken her shoes off, the perp would have had to choose the correct pair - the ones she was wearing in the video - to take with him/her. And if someone entered her house intending to do her harm, they were taking a big risk considering the proximity of the neighbors.

I think she hopped in a car with someone she knew intending to go for a quick something - dinner, drink, coffee, chat, whatever. I also think it's perfectly plausible that she left a door unlocked because she'd left her key set with the mechanic, perhaps not thinking she'd need it. Also, as it was a quick trip to the mechanic's and to the store, she may have had no concerns about leaving the door open briefly during daylight hours. But I'm still not convinced she ever got back into the house after dropping her car off.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I don't think it was confirmed one way or the other if she took her house keys off the ring before the mechanic.

She allegedly left her key on her key ring at mechanics but had a spare key because she would not leave her doors unlocked. That was said on here.

 

[detectorhector]

Has anyone actually seen her house in person? I've seen a photo of it, and I know the lot is small, but how close are the neighbors? Is it a dead end, or a through way? It looks like it could be either from Google Maps. Her driveway looks secluded from the few photos I've seen of it. I thought I read here that she doesn't have a neighbor across the street. If she was carried out, I think there is a good chance of whoever getting away with it. In the summer, at night, people draw their curtains closed because once you turn your lights on, people can see in, and the air conditioner drowns out sounds from outside. Not that I think she was carried out; I think it's more probably she walked out, but I do think it's possible.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Has anyone actually seen her house in person? I've seen a photo of it, and I know the lot is small, but how close are the neighbors? Is it a dead end, or a through way? It looks like it could be either from Google Maps. Her driveway looks secluded from the few photos I've seen of it. I thought I read here that she doesn't have a neighbor across the street. If she was carried out, I think there is a good chance of whoever getting away with it. In the summer, at night, people draw their curtains closed because once you turn your lights on, people can see in, and the air conditioner drowns out sounds from outside. Not that I think she was carried out; I think it's more probably she walked out, but I do think it's possible.

I have only seen one view which shows a long view and both doorways. I can't see the dirt road. I can't even see an aerial view to see where neighbors houses are.

 

[detectorhector]

I have only seen one view which shows a long view and both doorways. I can't see the dirt road. I can't even see an aerial view to see where neighbors houses are.

I'm not even sure which one is her house from the aerial view, which is why I'm not sure where the neighbors houses are. I did find this link which shows the house before it was fixed up. The street view pics make it look secluded, though I have no idea if the view has changed since then.Sold: 47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 | 2 Beds / 1 Full Bath | $50,000 - SOLD LISTING, MLS # 72362561

 

[keek]

I'm not even sure which one is her house from the aerial view, which is why I'm not sure where the neighbors houses are. I did find this link which shows the house before it was fixed up. The street view pics make it look secluded, though I have no idea if the view has changed since then.Sold: 47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 | 2 Beds / 1 Full Bath | $50,000 - SOLD LISTING, MLS # 72362561

There are one or two others here that have driven to her house, hopefully they'll pop up with the info. Their thoughts I believe were that how could the neighbors NOT see or hear anything. That road looks as described by the others too. The 'dirt road' in your link. You def have to know where the house is to go there has been said. Narrow old 'camp' roads a couple twists and turns off the main road. Old camp's when people had them for the nearby lake long ago.

 

[Curiosity1234]

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I'm not even sure which one is her house from the aerial view, which is why I'm not sure where the neighbors houses are. I did find this link which shows the house before it was fixed up. The street view pics make it look secluded, though I have no idea if the view has changed since then.Sold: 47 Spofford Ave, Hanson, MA 02341 | 2 Beds / 1 Full Bath | $50,000 - SOLD LISTING, MLS # 72362561

That looks like one really long dirt road. I can't tell with the boat there and the overgrown shrubs if it is the view where you can see both doors.

 

[Curiosity1234]

The view that shows the one door might be on the opposite side of the house from the boat and car view. I'm not sure.

 

[keek]

The view that shows the one door might be on the opposite side of the house from the boat and car view. I'm not sure.

There are a lot of pix of the house as it was on any of the realtor sites that pop up once you google in her address. The house as it looked when she bought it. Not the old pre flip picture. Cute. Inside pix too.

 

[HarmonyE.]

If you take a look at the post-flip photos and look at a photo of the bedroom, you can see a neighbor's home through the window. Recall Sandra wanted blinds up immediately because she was concerned the neighbors could see in. And if this works

https://ap.rdcpix.com/1150364886/4f14dc1c52cb4a93e9a6b5d92571dfe5l-m9xd-w1020_h770_q80.jpg

you can see the proximity of her next-door neighbor to her right. You can also see a white house in the background, which would be on a street behind her. Note also her entire lot was only 2400 square feet which is like .05 of an acre, or next to nothing. Basically her lot was the gravel area immediately in front of the house and the parking area, along with a very small semi-fenced area where the boys' trikes were kept. This is a pretty congested area, although there are a lot of trees out in the summer.

 

[HarmonyE.]

That looks like one really long dirt road. I can't tell with the boat there and the overgrown shrubs if it is the view where you can see both doors.

Looking at the roofline, it appears the window in between the boat and the Jeep was converted to a door as part of the flip. The boat is therefore parked in what is now the gravel area in front of the new door and the Jeep is in what is now the gravel parking area.

The road itself is narrow and unpaved. No offense to anyone who lives in the neighborhood, but I found it to be kind of a creepy area and would have even without knowing Sandra had lived there. I grew up in a nearby town with a very similar old camp area near a lake that had the same kind of vibe to it. I'd beg off when my friends wanted to go to the lake because we'd have to ride our bikes through the area of ancient little cottages, grimy old boats, and snarling guard dogs that would chase you down the road. If I were a single woman in my mid 50's, I probably would have made a different housing choice, even with only 250k to spend. The post-flip cuteness wouldn't have been enough to win me over.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Looking at the roofline, it appears the window in between the boat and the Jeep was converted to a door as part of the flip. The boat is therefore parked in what is now the gravel area in front of the new door and the Jeep is in what is now the gravel parking area.

The road itself is narrow and unpaved. No offense to anyone who lives in the neighborhood, but I found it to be kind of a creepy area and would have even without knowing Sandra had lived there. I grew up in a nearby town with a very similar old camp area near a lake that had the same kind of vibe to it. I'd beg off when my friends wanted to go to the lake because we'd have to ride our bikes through the area of ancient little cottages, grimy old boats, and snarling guard dogs that would chase you down the road. If I were a single woman in my mid 50's, I probably would have made a different housing choice, even with only 250k to spend. The post-flip cuteness wouldn't have been enough to win me over.

Her house looks isolated, with a short fence and a high fence and neither door facing a neighbor. That may have appealed to her since she appeared to not be a very social person.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Looking at the roofline, it appears the window in between the boat and the Jeep was converted to a door as part of the flip. The boat is therefore parked in what is now the gravel area in front of the new door and the Jeep is in what is now the gravel parking area.

The road itself is narrow and unpaved. No offense to anyone who lives in the neighborhood, but I found it to be kind of a creepy area and would have even without knowing Sandra had lived there. I grew up in a nearby town with a very similar old camp area near a lake that had the same kind of vibe to it. I'd beg off when my friends wanted to go to the lake because we'd have to ride our bikes through the area of ancient little cottages, grimy old boats, and snarling guard dogs that would chase you down the road. If I were a single woman in my mid 50's, I probably would have made a different housing choice, even with only 250k to spend. The post-flip cuteness wouldn't have been enough to win me over.

I am laughing at your childhood memory HarmonyE of riding your bike and having to deal with snarling guard dogs that would chase you down the street.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Her house looks isolated, with a short fence and a high fence and neither door facing a neighbor. That may have appealed to her since she appeared to not be a very social person.

I'd never say it was isolated, although the realtor photos make it appear secluded. I've only been there once, and I didn't stick around long because it was a nice day and neighbors were out and about and taking obvious note of my presence.