MA - Sara, 38, Madison, 8, James, 6, Michael Bermudez, 2, slain, W Brookfield, Mar'18 *Arrest*

[Piglet612]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/co...a_says_dad_of_slain_west_brookfield_kids_very

From today's Boston Herald

 

[The Farm]

Maybe they did have both.
With the house being in a rural area, I am not sure if city gas runs down that road, or not.
Being that the house isn't really all that old, to me, if it was built that way it would be a pain to have to rely on bottled gas, and oil both.
Just a thought.

I live in a rural area and that is what I have. My main heat is oil and years ago I had propane for the hot water heater but when the prices went crazy on propane we went with electric. Also a wood stove because when the power goes out your done unless you have a generator.

I have been reading this thread and I get the feeling of like a vendetta of some sort. When little children are murdered like that it is beyond horrific and I hope I never meet the human that could do that.

 

[MassGuy]

This whole "vendetta" thing doesn't strike me as a likely scenario. I can think of numerous cases where a father has massacred his family, but can't find one where a family with small children is murdered by a third party, and the husband or wife is untouched. Bradford Bishop murdered his family in their sleep, loaded their bodies into his vehicle, and burned them in the woods. The only difference is that he went on the run afterwards. John List also committed a similar crime. This type of thing is unfortunately, quite common. Revenge killings of family members to punish the mother or father just doesn't happen in the U.S. with any frequency. Can anyone find a similar case to this that was not a "home grown" event?

 

[bears10]

This whole "vendetta" thing doesn't strike me as a likely scenario. I can think of numerous cases where a father has massacred his family, but can't find one where a family with small children is murdered by a third party, and the husband or wife is untouched. Bradford Bishop murdered his family in their sleep, loaded their bodies into his vehicle, and burned them in the woods. The only difference is that he went on the run afterwards. John List also committed a similar crime. This type of thing is unfortunately, quite common. Revenge killings of family members to punish the mother or father just doesn't happen in the U.S. with any frequency. Can anyone find a similar case to this that was not a "home grown" event?

Allow me to introduce you to MS-13.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Elementary school kids pay tribute to 2 of the kids.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/elementary...rs-kindergartner-2nd-grader/story?id=53550451

 

[MassGuy]

Allow me to introduce you to MS-13.

Are you going to provide a specific example? They have no presence in this area.

 

[bears10]

Are you going to provide a specific example? They have no presence in this area.

I could provide a ton of specific examples of MS13 brutal murders on Long Island. I live in the same county as Brentwood, which is where MS13 is a huge problem. Just because I’m 45 min away, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at the possibility of their violence spilling over. Considering it’s already spilt over into other suburbs in our county. MS13 has presence in MA, and from what I read, maybe like an hour and a half away from the murders? I wouldn’t consider that no presence in the area. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I could provide a ton of specific examples of MS13 brutal murders on Long Island. I live in the same county as Brentwood, which is where MS13 is a huge problem. Just because I’m 45 min away, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at the possibility of their violence spilling over. Considering it’s already spilt over into other suburbs in our county. MS13 has presence in MA, and from what I read, maybe like an hour and a half away from the murders? I wouldn’t consider that no presence in the area. JMO

I'm aware of the horrors of MS-13. There's a good Frontline episode on it's effect on the NY area. I can't find a single case where they have murdered a family to punish someone who has crossed them. This family lived a middle class existence in a small rural town. Both were employed, and neither had criminal records. An ultra-violent gang decides to punish him, with the brutal murder of his wife and kids. An absolutely unprecedented attack in a town that has been largely unaffected by gang violence. I live here. I don't buy it.

 

[katydid23]

https://www.facebook.com/sara.bermudez.52

It is heartbreaking to see those adorable babies. I cant imagine how someone can kill such innocents. :cry: :rose: :rose: :rose:

 

[bears10]

I'm aware of the horrors of MS-13. There's a good Frontline episode on it's effect on the NY area. I can't find a single case where they have murdered a family to punish someone who has crossed them. This family lived a middle class existence in a small rural town. Both were employed, and neither had criminal records. An ultra-violent gang decides to punish him, with the brutal murder of his wife and kids. An absolutely unprecedented attack in a town that has been largely unaffected by gang violence. I live here. I don't buy it.

I’m not looking to argue so I’ll just unsubscribe. But like I said - it’s just a thought, and one that I can’t discount at this time. I guess we will have to wait to see who decided to carry out such brutal murders and why. Best to you and your community.

 

[MassGuy]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/417143761999616/permalink/575744839472840/

Take this with a grain of salt, but a couple different people say that they saw the West Brookfield police walking out of a field near the house with a yellow gas can. Hopefully this is the elusive can. And hopefully it has some evidentiary value.

 

[Gussified]

I’m not looking to argue so I’ll just unsubscribe. But like I said - it’s just a thought, and one that I can’t discount at this time. I guess we will have to wait to see who decided to carry out such brutal murders and why. Best to you and your community.

No need to unsubscribe. The two of you disagree. That’s all.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m not looking to argue so I’ll just unsubscribe. But like I said - it’s just a thought, and one that I can’t discount at this time. I guess we will have to wait to see who decided to carry out such brutal murders and why. Best to you and your community.

Sorry for coming across as being rude, as it wasn't my intent. I just can't state how strongly enough I believe this to be not related to gang activity.

 

[katydid23]

I'm aware of the horrors of MS-13. There's a good Frontline episode on it's effect on the NY area. I can't find a single case where they have murdered a family to punish someone who has crossed them. This family lived a middle class existence in a small rural town. Both were employed, and neither had criminal records. An ultra-violent gang decides to punish him, with the brutal murder of his wife and kids. An absolutely unprecedented attack in a town that has been largely unaffected by gang violence. I live here. I don't buy it.

This happened in El Salvador, not a tiny suburb in Massachusetts. But it does show that MS13 does kill entire families if they are angry at the adults.

El Salvador: Suspected MS-13 Members Kill Family of 4


Two brothers, Josue Gabriel, 10, and Edwin Obed, 2, were killed with a shotgun and nine-millimeter handgun by suspected gang members at the San Cristobal farm in the canton of Potrero Grande Arriba, in Santa Ana, El Salvador this weekend.

Their parents, Gabriel de Jesus Cristales Alcantara (35) and his partner Marta Alicia Sagastume Lopez (30), were also killed in the attack, Prensa Grafica reported.

According to authorities, several gang members intercepted the children when they walked in the middle of a coffee plantation with their mother and father. Gabriel was shot in the forehead while his younger brother was shot in the stomach. Their mother was shot twice in the abdomen and once in her right knee.

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/n...3-Members-Kill-Family-of-4-20171106-0016.html

In January 2016, over 400 Boston police officers were involved in the arrests of 37 MS-13 members, 56 were charged altogether. Guns, knives and money were also seized at the homes of the gang members. Massachusetts State Police Lt. Col. Frank Hughes commented in a public conference "in my 30 years of law enforcement, I've never seen a more violent gang out there. These are very very violent individuals. The violence is unspeakable." The charges included immigration violations, racketeering, firearm and drug trafficking.[62]

 

[bears10]

No need to unsubscribe. The two of you disagree. That’s all.

I don’t want to turn the thread into an MS13 debate, when there isn’t any proof of the crime being gang related. Even though I can’t rule it out. But I’m not looking to get a time out for debating MS13 here. Theres a lot id like to say about ms13 but it’s not necessarily relevant here. Hope that makes sense.

 

[DexterMorgan]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/417143761999616/permalink/575744839472840/

Take this with a grain of salt, but a couple different people say that they saw the West Brookfield police walking out of a field near the house with a yellow gas can. Hopefully this is the elusive can. And hopefully it has some evidentiary value.

Thats odd. Wouldn't the CSI team have on gloves and bag it before removing the item from a field?

Not it sounds plausible since several people mentioned it on that page. But usually when finding evidence and shell casings on The First 48; Usually they just put markers down next to everything and then have the CSI guys take photos, bag it and tag it.

So I hope the cops aren't that slow to just pick up the can in a field and bring it to the road and throw it in the passenger seat of the cop car. Lol.

Lets hope.

 

[MassGuy]

Thats odd. Wouldn't the CSI team have on gloves and bag it before removing the item from a field?

Not it sounds plausible since several people mentioned it on that page. But usually when finding evidence and shell casings on The First 48; Usually they just put markers down next to everything and then have the CSI guys take photos, bag it and tag it.

So I hope the cops aren't that slow to just pick up the can in a field and bring it to the road and throw it in the passenger seat of the cop car. Lol.

Lets hope.

Yeah, I too am skeptical. No MSM sources are reporting it. These cops just casually carrying an incredibly valuable piece of evidence out of the woods. The fact that it was supposedly found in the area around the house, which should have been searched already. We'll see.

 

[Rocky1]

This whole "vendetta" thing doesn't strike me as a likely scenario. I can think of numerous cases where a father has massacred his family, but can't find one where a family with small children is murdered by a third party, and the husband or wife is untouched. Bradford Bishop murdered his family in their sleep, loaded their bodies into his vehicle, and burned them in the woods. The only difference is that he went on the run afterwards. John List also committed a similar crime. This type of thing is unfortunately, quite common. Revenge killings of family members to punish the mother or father just doesn't happen in the U.S. with any frequency. Can anyone find a similar case to this that was not a "home grown" event?

Correct me if I am wrong, but, I believe the husband was in California at the time of the murders. That leaves him out.
The only way the Father could be involved is if he hired someone, which using your scenario of them being both employed, in a small town with no criminal history, doesn't add up..
MS 13 originated in California, and their signature is to murder family members. They are huge in LA, and San Fran. both.
What are your thoughts as to what happened?
There has to be a motive.
Robbery? If this is true, I would think that LE would be asking people to be looking for more than just a yellow fuel can.
I doubt it was the neighborhood kids looking for a prank.
Do you think perhaps with MS 13 being so heavily involved with human smuggling, that maybe a family member could have been smuggled, and they didn't keep paying?
Could it be that their business was being extorted,(another MS 13 trait) and they weren't paying the piper?
Could it be that the real reason they moved from California was because they were running from something/someone?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Yeah, I too am skeptical. No MSM sources are reporting it. These cops just casually carrying an incredibly valuable piece of evidence out of the woods. The fact that it was supposedly found in the area around the house, which should have been searched already. We'll see.

Hey. I noticed you're from Mass and just joined the forum recently. Did this case bring you here?

 

[MassGuy]

Correct me if I am wrong, but, I believe the husband was in California at the time of the murders. That leaves him out.
The only way the Father could be involved is if he hired someone, which using your scenario of them being both employed, in a small town with no criminal history, doesn't add up..
MS 13 originated in California, and their signature is to murder family members. They are huge in LA, and San Fran. both.
What are your thoughts as to what happened?
There has to be a motive.
Robbery? If this is true, I would think that LE would be asking people to be looking for more than just a yellow fuel can.
I doubt it was the neighborhood kids looking for a prank.
Do you think perhaps with MS 13 being so heavily involved with human smuggling, that maybe a family member could have been smuggled, and they didn't keep paying?
Could it be that their business was being extorted,(another MS 13 trait) and they weren't paying the piper?
Could it be that the real reason they moved from California was because they were running from something/someone?

I'm only going to address the first part as the rest off your post is pure speculation. The husband was in California when the bodies were found, we don't know if he was there when the murders were committed. As far as we know, he has not been excluded.