GUILTY MA - Three Pittsfield men slain over Hells Angels assault case, 28 Aug 2011

[Frigga]

I dunno, I think Tinkerbell suits him...

I don't think he looks scary at all (I really thought he would) I think he looks like an idiot. A scrawny goofy guy trying to look mean.

It didn't work, IMO.

 

[geevee]

I don't think he looks scary at all (I really thought he would) I think he looks like an idiot. A scrawny goofy guy trying to look mean.

It didn't work, IMO.

He looks like a guy trying to live down the name of Roy Gutfinski Jr.

Day 3 love blog:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/09/berkshire_triple_murder_trial_15.html

Mobile (or for those whose browser freezes with the other link lol):

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.p...waltcast&altcast_code=dd31b96eec&ipod=y&rand=

 

[geevee]

*Live* blog, not 'love'. urg

 

[Esse]

Day 4 live blog:

http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.p...ewaltcast&altcast_code=17a3a509bf&ipod=y&rand=

or

http://live.berkshireeagle.com/Event/Caius_Veiovis_Triple_Murder_Trial_Live

 

[HarvestMoon]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around WTH would agree to install horns in a person's head.

 

[HarvestMoon]

Actually, I feel quite uncomfortable looking at those bumps on his forehead.

 

[Esse]

Motive possibly back on the table? Is it enough?


AT is on the stand:

She said they were making fun of Hall's van. She doesn't remember specifically what Hall said but it was something along the lines of Veiovis getting a motorcycle and becoming a prospect for the Hells Angels.

Under cross-examination she agrees it was just chit chat. She says Hall said it was possible Veiovis would get a motorcycle and possibly become a prospect for the Hells Angels.

She doesn't recall if Veiovis said anything after Hall made the comments in question.

 

[redheart]

Day 5 live blog:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/09/berkshire_triple_murder_trial_17.html#incart_river

 

[redheart]

Day 6 live blog links are here:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index....ple_murder_trial_18.html#incart_story_package

 

[Esse]

OK, I'm just going to throw this out here to see if I can get any conversation going.

So far I see nothing to really convince me that Veiovis was involved in the kidnappings, murders, or getting rid of the 3 victims remains.

Could he be another victim of Hall? A patsy? I don't know, I'm just wondering if it's at least possible.
We already saw how Hall tried to set up Glasser for robbery, rape and gun charges etc in New York.
How do you know that Hall wasn't setting up Veivos too?
It seems to me he would be easy to set him up because of his appearance, his apartment decor, the books he had and his overall lifestyle.

We know that Veivos wasn't with Hall and Chalue in Becket, Walmart, Sayers Auto Wrecking (to get rid of the car), A-Mart, the Sutton house (to hose out the interior of the car) nor was he at the Hells Angels clubhouse after the murders.

So far, I see no strong evidence to suggest that he was a part of this. I need more.
Any thoughts?

 

[redheart]

Agreed, I haven't seen anything strongly tying Veiovis to the murders yet.

I didn't follow the trials of Hall and Chalue, so not up to speed on everything...

 

[Esse]

Redheart, that's even better because you get to look at it with fresh eyes.

 

[geevee]

I only came upon it at the end of the last trial but didn't read though either of those trial blogs (I should though, if they still exist). I haven't seen anything tying Veiovis to the murders either, I'm trying to remember if there's a reason the cops think 3 people were involved, wasn't it just Hall and Chalue who were doing any talking and joking that may have referenced that night?

 

[redheart]

OK, I'm just going to throw this out here to see if I can get any conversation going.

So far I see nothing to really convince me that Veiovis was involved in the kidnappings, murders, or getting rid of the 3 victims remains.

Could he be another victim of Hall? A patsy? I don't know, I'm just wondering if it's at least possible.
We already saw how Hall tried to set up Glasser for robbery, rape and gun charges etc in New York.
How do you know that Hall wasn't setting up Veivos too?
It seems to me he would be easy to set him up because of his appearance, his apartment decor, the books he had and his overall lifestyle.

We know that Veivos wasn't with Hall and Chalue in Becket, Walmart, Sayers Auto Wrecking (to get rid of the car), A-Mart, the Sutton house (to hose out the interior of the car) nor was he at the Hells Angels clubhouse after the murders.

So far, I see no strong evidence to suggest that he was a part of this. I need more.
Any thoughts?

I'm not convinced Veiovis was part of this (but not convinced that he wasn't, either). I don't see this as a possibility of Hall setting him up, though. There was a lot of testimony about Hall's attempt to frame Glasser, so I can't see him suddenly becoming a criminal mastermind and setting up Veiovis for the murders without it being obvious in hindsight.
I do agree that Veiovis could possibly be easy to set up, but I don't think that's what happened here.

If Veiovis was part of this, I wonder why he wasn't part of the aftermath, like you mentioned. Because he wasn't fully trusted by Hall yet? Or because he wasn't involved in the murders? Or something else?

 

[redheart]

Day 7:
http://www.masslive.com/news/index....ple_murder_trial_19.html#incart_story_package

 

[geevee]

After today's testimony I guess I can see why they might have thought he was connected, the 2 newspapers with stories of the missing men, all the weaponry, macheté, rubber gloves found in the apt. he moved out of (same as where Chalue lived and Hall), I can understand the conclusion being drawn but they still have no real evidence (so far at least) of his involvement, imo.

 

[redheart]

Agreed, Geevee. Wonder what's to come before the prosecution wraps up on Thursday.

 

[geevee]

Agreed, Geevee. Wonder what's to come before the prosecution wraps up on Thursday.

Hopefully more than just inference. lol Weird how Veiovis had all that Hell's Angels stuff around but no witness has said he was actually trying to join. I think that's another tie they're trying to draw but no one has said you have to kill anyone to get in HA (like someone testified you had to in order to join the Aryan Brotherhood).

What is up with all those guys having latex gloves laying around? There's been testimony that Hall was a germaphobe but the other two guys? You gotta figure they were for less 'clean' reasons.

 

[Esse]

I think Hall did think of himself as a criminal mastermind.

Glasser was going to testify against him for the assault and battery incident over the supposedly stolen car parts and also forced to sign his truck over to him.
When Hall was arrested for that, he came up with the plan to fake the kidnapping and armed robbery to discredit Glassers testimony.
I think it was clear to LE that Hall had set him up.
I still think it's possible that Hall may have set up Veiovis just like he set up Glasser.

As for Veiovis' apartment, ugh... who lives like that? Painted black windows, bones, weird weapons all over the place? He's a strange one.

In opening statements the DA said, joint venture, but that hasn't been proven yet.
No scene of the killings has ever been determined.
No weapon has been found that could be connected to the murders.
No forensic evidence connects Veiovis to the killings.
It seems Veiovis hardly knew Chalue.

ps I've tried to "thank" several people for their great posts but for some reason the button just won't work. So Thank You!

 

[redheart]

Hall might have thought of himself as a criminal mastermind...but he sure doesn't seem to be one.
If he tried to set Veiovis up, where is the incriminating evidence that leads to Veiovis but doesn't point to Hall?

Is there forensic evidence tying Hall and Chalue to the murders? (sorry, I mentioned I didn't follow those trials)