MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #7 *Arrest*

[Rocky1]

LE cannot enter her NYC apartment without a warrant nor take anything not specified by the warrant. I agree it seems strange that the Princeton PD has not been to NYC.

True LE needs a warrant to search.
In this case a warrant would be easy to obtain.
LE has to convince a magistrate that they have probable cause that evidence of a crime may be found there.
I think in this case, that would be easy.
Princeton Police would not go to NY. They turned everything over to the District Attorneys Office, (Joe Early Jr.) and the State Police.

 

[DeDee]

LE did say they were working with LE from NYC.

You win. :star:

I refuse to continue beating my head against the wall. I say they have DNA. You say they don't. I say LE did not travel to NYC. And you play word games. Far too many cases on WS to stay on a thread that produces no fruit.

Here is my :magnet:

Justice for Vanessa :rose:

 

[DeDee]

Here you go.
I pull lots of ideas out of the sky, but not facts.


I didn't say LE went to NY, I said "LE said they are working with LE from NYC."

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/goo...ed-after-jog-princeton-ma-karina-vetrano.html


“We are comparing evidence, we are comparing notes; simply put … we don’t believe there is a connection. With that said we are going to continue to share notes and share evidence as both cases progress.”

Can I have your link please?

Can I have your link please?

@ 4:38
[video=youtube;dfgfp0taR7w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfgfp0taR7w[/video]

 

[Rocky1]

You win. :star:

I refuse to continue beating my head against the wall. I say they have DNA. You say they don't. I say LE did not travel to NYC. And you play word games. Far too many cases on WS to stay on a thread that produces no fruit.

Here is my :magnet:

Justice for Vanessa :rose:

I am sorry if you are beating your head against the wall.
I think you misread my post. There were several posters here that asked for your link, and I think it was because they thought that LE didn't bother to check any possibility in NY and were somewhat confused, looking for clarification. All I did was clarify what I read in MSM. It certainly isn't 'word games."
Just to be clear, I never said they didn't have DNA. Re-read my post and that should be clear. I said that although I think they do, LE never said they did. After reading your post, I corrected myself.
I am not trying to win anything.

 

[searunner]

Originally Posted by Rocky1
LE did say they were working with LE from NYC.

You win. :star:

I refuse to continue beating my head against the wall. I say they have DNA. You say they don't. I say LE did not travel to NYC. And you play word games. Far too many cases on WS to stay on a thread that produces no fruit.

Here is my :magnet:

Justice for Vanessa :rose:

I don't know why the double quote function often doesn't work for me... Anyway, I copied and pasted Rocky's quote in for clarity.

DeDee, I hope you'll stick around. You're very helpful to the thread. Remember, this is about Vanessa. So, please don't let your...not sure of the term I want, frustration or annoyance, perhaps?...at another poster interfere with the goal.

I can understand how Rocky's posts came off to you -- and I agree that there is a difference between 'LE not going to NYC' and 'LE working with NYC LE' (on what just sounds like comparing notes to see if there was a connection between this case and the Queen's jogger case -- not on Vanessa's case itself).

However, based on my experience on this thread, I don't think he meant to play word games with you.

 

[Evey]

I don't think it's the first offense I think he's somebody others but maybe not the same way and age I say 30+

 

[Evey]

I'm sure this has already been mentioned... but I can't shake the similarities between Vanessa and Karina. Both tan, brunette, beautiful, fit, regular runners and both around the same age 27 & 30 even though both look younger. Both strangled, dragged, raped and killed while going out for a run. Both found not too far from their running path.

Both murders took place only 3 - 3.5 hours away from each other AND back to back in August. Also, Vanessa was supposed to be headed back to NY where Karina was killed.

Are there any POIs that we know of?

Both found super close to the parents home I think it's the same person and find it creepy how close to home they'd been

 

[Kickoff61]

There has been very little reported in this case from LE. Therefore, again, no-one can be certain what exactly has been done fully or not. IMO

 

[Kickoff61]

I know I am a broken record, but most of this is 'speculation'. We do not have the facts of the crime scene investigation, autopsy, what they have found for evidence, where they have gone, etc. It has also been a long time since pieces of info. were reported (that still was not much). I think clashes can happen when things are presented with 'certainty', when really there isn't much.

 

[msphilosopher]

Both found super close to the parents home I think it's the same person and find it creepy how close to home they'd been

I completely agree with you Evey. I was thinking that if it wasn't the same person, then perhaps VM's perp was inspired by KV's perp. But if that was the case then chances of both victims having the same appearance just seems too unlikely.

Yes, way creepy that both victims were staying with their parents at the time. It's almost like the perp planned that...

 

[Sheila Terranova]

But the DNA was not a match between VM and KV's killers correct?

 

[msphilosopher]

But the DNA was not a match between VM and KV's killers correct?

Possibly, I can't seem to find an MSM article stating so... found a few articles stating that "any link between the cases have not been made official". Also, found an article stating, " Officials don't believe there is a link" also an article states that VM's father said "The cases are totally unrelated"

But I have found no MSM article officially stating that "DNA was not a match."

 

[Rick_Deckard_BR]

Agree with you, I agree not a young person. My gut says 40-50. Married, homeowner, older college age or adult children. The guy has a lot to lose from being accused of rape. He lives or lived in town or lives in a nearby town. This is first murder, not first sexual assault although he has no police record. I think maybe a professional tradesman or home builder maybe owning the buisness. He's got money, he's educated and appears normal, probably well liked by neighbors and coworkers. I also think he knew Vanessa either directly or indirectly through living in town or his children. Just my hunch, gut feeling,spidersense, no evidence of this just seems right.

 

[Kickoff61]

Agree with you, I agree not a young person. My gut says 40-50. Married, homeowner, older college age or adult children. The guy has a lot to lose from being accused of rape. He lives or lived in town or lives in a nearby town. This is first

murder, not first sexual assault although he has no police record. I think maybe a professional tradesman or home builder maybe owning the buisness. He's got money, he's educated and appears normal, probably well liked by neighbors and coworkers. I also think he knew Vanessa either directly or indirectly through living in town or his children. Just my hunch, gut feeling,spidersense, no evidence of this just seems right.

That makes much more sense with what happened and why it is going as it is.

 

[Cem75]

Agree with you, I agree not a young person. My gut says 40-50. Married, homeowner, older college age or adult children. The guy has a lot to lose from being accused of rape. He lives or lived in town or lives in a nearby town. This is first murder, not first sexual assault although he has no police record. I think maybe a professional tradesman or home builder maybe owning the buisness. He's got money, he's educated and appears normal, probably well liked by neighbors and coworkers. I also think he knew Vanessa either directly or indirectly through living in town or his children. Just my hunch, gut feeling,spidersense, no evidence of this just seems right.

builder is interesting because if that land was ever for sale he could have seen it when walking the lot or land to convert to lots. If it was ever for sale LE should inquire with listing broker.

 

[Evey]

I completely agree with you Evey. I was thinking that if it wasn't the same person, then perhaps VM's perp was inspired by KV's perp. But if that was the case then chances of both victims having the same appearance just seems too unlikely.

Yes, way creepy that both victims were staying with their parents at the time. It's almost like the perp planned that...

Exactly it's like he stalked them awhile then left them close to their parents as some weird taunt

 

[msphilosopher]

Agree with you, I agree not a young person. My gut says 40-50. Married, homeowner, older college age or adult children. The guy has a lot to lose from being accused of rape. He lives or lived in town or lives in a nearby town. This is first murder, not first sexual assault although he has no police record. I think maybe a professional tradesman or home builder maybe owning the buisness. He's got money, he's educated and appears normal, probably well liked by neighbors and coworkers. I also think he knew Vanessa either directly or indirectly through living in town or his children. Just my hunch, gut feeling,spidersense, no evidence of this just seems right.

Agreed. I can't see this being a young guy in his teens or twenties. I'm thinking it takes time to become skillful and confident to act on these intentions.


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[Kickoff61]

Agreed. I can't see this being a young guy in his teens or twenties. I'm thinking it takes time to become skillful and confident to act on these intentions.


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I agree with that.

 

[Kickoff61]

Agree with you, I agree not a young person. My gut says 40-50. Married, homeowner, older college age or adult children. The guy has a lot to lose from being accused of rape. He lives or lived in town or lives in a nearby town. This is first murder, not first sexual assault although he has no police record. I think maybe a professional tradesman or home builder maybe owning the buisness. He's got money, he's educated and appears normal, probably well liked by neighbors and coworkers. I also think he knew Vanessa either directly or indirectly through living in town or his children. Just my hunch, gut feeling,spidersense, no evidence of this just seems right.

I think the most significant thing you wrote was, money, appears normal, educated. That makes him difficult to detect and all that more dangerous, hiding a sickness behind what seems to be a normal life to outsiders. And money also may mean he already has a lawyer for other things and may refuse a voluntary DNA , as well.

 

[msphilosopher]

I think the most significant thing you wrote was, money, appears normal, educated. That makes him difficult to detect and all that more dangerous, hiding a sickness behind what seems to be a normal life to outsiders. And money also may mean he already has a lawyer for other things and may refuse a voluntary DNA , as well.

Yes, I think he seems normal and well educated as well. I base that on the fact that he's not in the system. He's very tactful.


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