Madeleine died 'after large sleeping pill overdose'

[englishleigh]

I am truly not so blind, even tho I am on the NG for right now. I cannot stress enough that I am not 'pro McCann', I just don't believe in their guilt right now. I am upfront and center condemning them for the crappy parenting decisions they made and for things that do not paint them in a positive light. But if Gerry McCann cussed in front of his kids 24/7 it does not make him a murderer. IT makes him a total , but not a killer.

I just wanted to point that out

I love y'all

Brefie...:blowkiss:

Sorry if I've been snotty to anyone here in recent days...I know we all want the same thing...Madeleine to be found safe, or to be found and given a proper burial and receive justice. It just all gets to me at times and I take it out on people in my responses. I'm truly sorry if I've hurt anyone.

 

[CaliKid]

My biggest concern with Mrs. Fenn is why did she not come out with all this info in the beginning? It was a lengthy period of tim ebefore she had told police about Maddies evening crying session. Now she claims that Kate was violent and aggressive. I am not saying that I don't believe it. I guess my question is, Why now?

Mrs. Fenn reported her concerns to the resort management who then confronted the McCanns about leaving their kids alone. It's very possible she did talk to the police who didn't respond right away. The important thing is that they now have her testimony.

 

[CaliKid]

The more that I read about Kate and Gerry, the more I think they are both equally responsible for their child's demise. I can see that smug piece of work lounging by the pool and Kates frustration boiling up to agression and spilling over into violence.

Perhaps Mrs. Fenn didn't feel comfortable making her statements while the McCanns were still in Portugal. She may have been afraid of them.

Geez, the more I read about Gerry McCann, the more he sounds exactly like my ex. Totally narcissistic, he had the tendency to disappear into "Steve time" when I was up to my elbows with the kids.

 

[Texana]

Thanks :blowkiss:
I will keep it up until I no longer believe it. I have no interest in saving face ever - especially in light of child killers.

I could turn out to be extremely naive...in which case I will provide the rotten fruit that you should throw at me

And I will gladly give you tomatoes to throw back if I am wrong. Please make them fresh ones, though, I have a great new salsa recipe.

 

[Taximom]

While everyone reacts differently, I cannot recall a parent of a missing child that we have discussed on websleuths laughing and smiling. I know I could never react like this within weeks or even months after my child went missing.

I can remember being in the Jessica Lunsford chat (right before she was found) when Mark Lunsford would pop in. He would let us know what was going on with the case and we would try to keep him encouraged. While I couldn't see his face, I know he was smiling and laughing at some things we all chatted about. I'm not saying he was having a blast and rolling all over the floor laughing, but you knew he was getting a chuckle out of what we were talking about sometimes. Again, please don't take me wrong about Mark. I'm just saying I think it's possible to smile and laugh despite the horrible circumstances we see on a daily basis.

 

[Texana]

Mrs. Fenn went to the resort authorities and probably felt she had done the right thing. She didn't want to overreact and rat out her fellow countrymen to the police, but she wanted to give the vacationing family a heads-up kind of warning about just how "safe" the resort really was. Safer than the backstreets of Glasgow, but not a utopia.

That she went at all, is amazing. My MIL is around the same age, and she is so unwilling to "get involved" at her age--she is afraid of retaliation or the "unknown" response.

 

[CaliKid]

I am truly not so blind, even tho I am on the NG for right now. I cannot stress enough that I am not 'pro McCann', I just don't believe in their guilt right now. I am upfront and center condemning them for the crappy parenting decisions they made and for things that do not paint them in a positive light. But if Gerry McCann cussed in front of his kids 24/7 it does not make him a murderer. IT makes him a total , but not a killer.

I just wanted to point that out

I love y'all

No problem at all, Brefie. You take all the time you need to come to a conclusion you're comfortable with. But know that we will keep pushing the evidence in your direction. :angel:

 

[CaliKid]

I can remember being in the Jessica Lunsford chat (right before she was found) when Mark Lunsford would pop in. He would let us know what was going on with the case and we would try to keep him encouraged. While I couldn't see his face, I know he was smiling and laughing at some things we all chatted about. I'm not saying he was having a blast and rolling all over the floor laughing, but you knew he was getting a chuckle out of what we were talking about sometimes. Again, please don't take me wrong about Mark. I'm just saying I think it's possible to smile and laugh despite the horrible circumstances we see on a daily basis.

Everyone needs some "jocularity" as Father Mulcahey on MASH would call it. But other than the first 10-14 days after Madeleine's disappearance, I don't recall seeing the McCanns looking devastated unless they knew a camera was around.

 

[SleuthMom]

Well, Mrs. Fenn is saying now that she did not say anything, that everything that is being said is "rubbish", that she did not even know the family was there. Someone just posted a reference in another thread (forgot who it was, I will look for it).

 

[SleuthMom]

It was Patty, here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53216&page=12

 

[CaliKid]

I don't believe it. I'd bet she had no idea she was going to be the center of so much controversy, and she's trying to back out of her prior statements because she's being hounded to death by the media.

 

[englishleigh]

I don't believe it. I'd bet she had no idea she was going to be the center of so much controversy, and she's trying to back out of her prior statements because she's being hounded to death by the media.

I think so, too, Cali...I also wonder if she's been threatened by a lawsuit from Team McCann, too. I also think that should there be a trial, she doesn't want to have to testify.

 

[CaliKid]

Who knows what they'd do to keep the case out of court.

 

[close_enough]

i thought the father already admitted to sedating the children

 

[close_enough]

The report speaks of a LARGE dose of pills, unless team Mc Cann is more stupid than we think, I don't think they would give the child a large dose just to keep her quiet...not to that "large" amount. The large dose seems to be that could be the girl taking it on her own or someone deliberately killing her.

yes, that's what i'm thinking/wondering.....if GM already admitted to sedating the children, then how on earth would he have overdosed Maddie??
....these parents are worthless, imo....

 

[close_enough]

I would not be surprised if they were adult pill that had been mortered in to powder and given with oral syringe.

Nancy

oh my!...this made me shiver

 

[Pinkhammer]

I don't believe it. I'd bet she had no idea she was going to be the center of so much controversy, and she's trying to back out of her prior statements because she's being hounded to death by the media.

Maybe Mrs. Fenn has been warned by the Portuguese police to zip her lip since they are at such a sensitive point in the investigation.

 

[pedinurse]

Taximom, it has been reported that syringes were found in the apartment, leading police to believe that the sedatives were given to the children as shots, not pills.

Unless Gerry and Kate have another little "habit"...besides the alcohol.

now, i have to say that if the kids were on liquid medications, lots of little children are given syrups in syringes - syringes, orally without needles... for instance, at our house, that is what we dose our own baby (he's 14 months old) with to givie him his reflux and allergy medication with in liquid form. we did the same thing with my daughter until she was big enough to take chewable pills. some medication she still prefers liquids... but now she would rather take it from a cup rather than a syringe.

in the hospital, we give lots of kids medication with a syringe orally... does that make sense? you just draw up the syrup... lets say claritin syrup... the dose... in an oral syringe and just it in their little open mouths! its very simple. no needle is involved. much like using an oral dropper or cup, but much more exact because you can use the plunger to get an exact dose (which is hard using a cup or dropper to get to an exact ML).

 

[close_enough]

now, i have to say that if the kids were on liquid medications, lots of little children are given syrups in syringes - syringes, orally without needles... for instance, at our house, that is what we dose our own baby (he's 14 months old) with to givie him his reflux and allergy medication with in liquid form. we did the same thing with my daughter until she was big enough to take chewable pills. some medication she still prefers liquids... but now she would rather take it from a cup rather than a syringe.

in the hospital, we give lots of kids medication with a syringe orally... does that make sense? you just draw up the syrup... lets say claritin syrup... the dose... in an oral syringe and just it in their little open mouths! its very simple. no needle is involved. much like using an oral dropper or cup, but much more exact because you can use the plunger to get an exact dose (which is hard using a cup or dropper to get to an exact ML).

right...that's how i use to give my boys their liquid meds as toddlers also...some meds didn't come in chewable form back then....it was easy to measure with them also....actually their pediatrician turned me on to using a syringe for their liquid meds....(minus the needle obviously)

Greta's not coming on till 10 tonight....surely she'll have something about Maddie's case on...hoping so

 

[Siren]

I've been a peds nurse for 30+ years. We once used the same syringes for adminstering oral, IM or IV medications. Today there are special syringes for oral medications. They're available in any pharmacy and are a very accurate tool for adminstering oral medications to children. Most of the major pediatric medical centers have converted to these syringes for adminstering oral medications and use another type of syringe to adminster IM or IV medications. It's a matter of cost.

Don't confuse syringes with needles. Needles are ATTACHED to syringes. They can be packaged togther or separately.