Madeleine died 'after large sleeping pill overdose'

[Squishified]

Oh yes. That was a co-worker of mine whose baby boy was killed by the day care operator with Benedryl. She was found guilty and has to wear an ankle bracelet for 5 years. No jail time though. She can't ever have a day care again. This was a licensed day care in an individual's home. They are in litigation with the makers of benedryl for not putting a warning on the label and their goal is to have them put a warning on the label about giving it to babies. Their livers cannot process it like adults and I can't remember how many babies she told me are killed each year (a few) by this practice. The woman didn't even come to the baby's funeral or tell her she was sorry or anything.

Thanks bulletgirl, that was the trial I remember. So sorry for your co-worker. Do you happen to know what the woman was convicted of ie. manslaughter, negligent homicide, etc.

 

[SleuthMom]

narlacat, what is your opinion about the Mc Canns leaving their three kids (3 and under) alone (several times) when they went to dine and play trivia with their friends? Is that the Media too?

 

[bulletgirl2002]

Thanks bulletgirl, that was the trial I remember. So sorry for your co-worker. Do you happen to know what the woman was convicted of ie. manslaughter, negligent homicide, etc.

I didn't think to ask. She just told me about the ankle braclet and not being able to have another day care. I would think negligent homicide though.

 

[LinasK]

Basically, when I've been to resort type places in the U.S., the kids are included at mealtime. Maybe I'm the one who is naive, but who ever said that parents are "entitled" to all that free time during a family vacation, especially if there are no relatives or babysitters there to watch the kids? Those children were just babies, and they shouldn't have been left alone. It's a wonder something didn't happen to all three of them.

Why bother to have kids at all if someone is a socialite who just wants to sedate them so they'll pass out? It's just wrong. It's unhealthy, but it's also unnatural. It's compartmentalizing your children to the point of craziness.

I totally agree!:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[LinasK]

And you know what at BOTH resorts... none of them left their kids in their rooms... that I know of. I remember that some of them even brought their kids to the late night coffee bars and let them sit in their laps while they sat around and talked! It was just normal "family" time! I think we all did! The bars, alcohol and coffee serving type areas ect were just common areas... not "bars" or rowdy type or dancing type areas (even though they did have those separate)... and people would just take their strollers there after dinner, get a table, and sit there and talk in circles. They included their kids in the after dinner time, and usually took the kids with them to dinner. I just don't know why you wouldn't take your kids with you!

So, in summary... I think the McCann's were just crazy - go - nuts for leaving their kids in the room and sedating them if that is what they did so they could just go to dinner. How selfish. *sigh* No one else does it. It isn't a "socially acceptable" thing. I don't see parents darting off and doing that other places... have never seen it. How weird.

Agreed!:clap:

 

[narlacat]

narlacat, what is your opinion about the Mc Canns leaving their three kids (3 and under) alone (several times) when they went to dine and play trivia with their friends? Is that the Media too?

They might not be the best of parents for leaving their kids by themselves, in fact, they are crap parents for doing that- but at this stage the Mc's have not been proven to have killed their daughter, just been bad parents.

 

[SleuthMom]

They might not be the best of parents for leaving their kids by themselves, in fact, they are crap parents for doing that- but at this stage the Mc's have not been proven to have killed their daughter, just been bad parents.

You are very right, hopefully they will be charged AT LEAST for negligence that has been proven.

 

[Brefie]

You are very right, hopefully they will be charged AT LEAST for negligence that has been proven.

They absolutely should be charged with neglect. NO QUESTION.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I didn't think to ask. She just told me about the ankle braclet and not being able to have another day care. I would think negligent homicide though.

Was this the Sabine Bieber case in Montana? I thought she got signficant jail time? CourtTV lists a 5-year sentence.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/bieber/102805_sentencing_ctv.html

I found a bunch of other cases from around the country:

http://search.theledger.com/apps/pb...030823/NEWS/308230340&SearchID=73218466517847

 

[eleven]

-- BTW anyone who's tried to have a career and raise young children will tell you, without doubt, THEY SEDATED THEM.[/B] It's not that we've all done it, but plenty of us have wanted to. I recall occasionally wishing my daughter would get a stuffy nose so I could justify the use of benadryl. I never cheated, but instead found other solutions.

When you're also working for a living, you can be seriously exhausted and at your wits' end when the child won't go to sleep.

Uhhh....no. I have 3 healthy kids, a successful career and I have NEVER "sedated" them. NOT EVEN ONCE, and that is without a doubt. And, IMO, anyone who sedates their children for the sole purpose of making child-rearing easier, shouldn't be a parent in the first place. I say give they should give the kids up to people who have the mind faculties to raise them well, because they aren't being raised well if Mommy and/or Daddy resort to drugging them up because they can't hang!

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm a fence-sitter in this case, but I do think the McCanns sedated those children. Just picture a building 100 yards from where you are at the moment and imagine there are three young toddlers, for whom you are responsible, inside there asleep. How could you not imagine them waking up and sticking their fingers in electric sockets, drinking poison, climbing on high cabinets, drowning in the toilets, etc, etc, unless you had drugged them? Or tied them up, I guess.

Seriously criminally negligent no matter what way you look at it.

 

[Texana]

I'm a fence-sitter in this case, but I do think the McCanns sedated those children. Just picture a building 100 yards from where you are at the moment and imagine there are three young toddlers, for whom you are responsible, inside there asleep. How could you not imagine them waking up and sticking their fingers in electric sockets, drinking poison, climbing on high cabinets, drowning in the toilets, etc, etc, unless you had drugged them? Or tied them up, I guess.

Seriously criminally negligent no matter what way you look at it.

Yes, Steadfast, that is exactly my "sticking point." How could they--especially as doctors--be so certain that children could not injure themselves when left alone in the room? The location of the pool in itself is a huge concern.

The only way they could be certain is to be certain the children were sleeping soundly.

And why not admit they gave the children something to help them sleep? It would actually help anyone believe that an intruder could take the sleeping Madeleine quickly and easily. Sure, the McCanns would face some censure and scorn for sedating the children, but that would pass soon enough, especially as people would feel overwhelming sympathy for an abducted child.

It always comes back to that point for me, because it just doesn't make sense.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I find it very disturbing that in the entire 6 pages of posts for this thread, it appears that not one person bothered to read past the third sentence of this tabloid article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=481642&in_page_id=1811

British forensic experts expressed severe doubts about the claim. They said the fluid was only a partial match to Madeleine's DNA and the sample was not strong enough to determine the presence of drugs. Even so, the report will come as a grave blow to the McCanns

 

[Rino]

I find it very disturbing that in the entire 6 pages of posts for this thread, it appears that not one person bothered to read past the third sentence of this tabloid article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=481642&in_page_id=1811

British forensic experts expressed severe doubts about the claim. They said the fluid was only a partial match to Madeleine's DNA and the sample was not strong enough to determine the presence of drugs. Even so, the report will come as a grave blow to the McCanns

Same as being interesting that it appears you did not read the last sentence of your disturbing observation?

Even so, the report will come as a grabe blow to the McCanns...

Why would it be a blow if the unnamed experts had solid ground to stand on. Or could it be simply spin??? Not saying they are guilty, but the spin machine works in both directions.

 

[kgeaux]

I find it very disturbing that in the entire 6 pages of posts for this thread, it appears that not one person bothered to read past the third sentence of this tabloid article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=481642&in_page_id=1811

I expressed doubt about it. To me, it's been clear from the first moment that this allegation is nothing but lies......it Portugal had information to hang the McCann's, they'd do it YESTERDAY. They want to bad enough.

 

[kgeaux]

Same as being interesting that it appears you did not read the last sentence of your disturbing observation?

Even so, the report will come as a grabe blow to the McCanns...

Why would it be a blow if the unnamed experts had solid ground to stand on. Or could it be simply spin??? Not saying they are guilty, but the spin machine works in both directions.

It will be a blow, because negative publicity will increase the negative perception that people have. Already, people here are thinking that they DID sedate their children, with no evidence to support that at all. Just a tabloid, throwing out chit, based on nothing.

 

[CaliKid]

Is anyone besides me getting sick of the tug-of-war between the UK and Portugal? Portugal doesn't want it to be a kidnapper/child molester because they count on tourism to the Algarve from British citizens. The UK doesn't want it to be the McCanns because middle-class doctors are sacred cows who could not possibly (or to be more honest, should not) be over-sedating and leaving their children. And caught in the middle is a little 3-year-old girl who is quickly becoming a sideline in the media circus.

 

[SewingDeb]

Is anyone besides me getting sick of the tug-of-war between the UK and Portugal? Portugal doesn't want it to be a kidnapper/child molester because they count on tourism to the Algarve from British citizens. The UK doesn't want it to be the McCanns because middle-class doctors are sacred cows who could not possibly (or to be more honest, should not) be over-sedating and leaving their children. And caught in the middle is a little 3-year-old girl who is quickly becoming a sideline in the media circus.

I'm with you on this CaliKid. The press in the two countries have an obvious bias.

 

[zadari]

im getting confused with all of the threads about her .. did they find the child? .im not meaning this in a rude way . im just confused is all

 

[CaliKid]

im getting confused with all of the threads about her .. did they find the child? .im not meaning this in a rude way . im just confused is all

No, not yet.