Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 12

[CarpeDiem]

colomom, thanks for the head's up. I can't wait to hear their perspective.

 

[SewingDeb]

This is exciting, colomom! Please keep us updated.

 

[Shazza]

Waiting with abated breath Colomom, thanks for all your hard work in keeping us updated about this case. Thank your friend for us, cant wait till we hear what your friend can find out.

 

[CaliKid]

I am running on empty tonight, friends, and need to get some sleep. The sheer nastiness of the fighting between the "sides" in various forums (not in here, I assure you) is dragging me down. I'm so thankful WS doesn't put up with that c*@p. In any case, I hope tomorrow brings some news, one way or another.

Good night, sweet Madeleine. Wherever you are, may angels make you comfortable and bring you peace.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Suffice it to say, my friend has a "gift" and I have alot of faith in their ability to intuit things that most people cannot. Course, you do not know me or my friend and we could be complete loonies as far as you know but, I wanted to tell you all about this BECAUSE....

If something really does break loose tomorrow I want you all to be ready. I want you to think about what you would like to have live eyes and ears in PDL do, if YOU could be there. Of course, it could get completely crazy and communication could become difficult, but, just in case...

It would be great if your friend could video the route all around the apartment - the exits, entrances and to the Tapas Bar, so we could see for ourselves the place involved. Thanks.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Well... I don't belive The McCanns' spokeswoman Justine McGuinness

would be their spokeswoman for much longer if she had said.....
"Yes the McCanns had syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. And they do use sedatives on their children."
IMO I'm not surprised by what she said.

The PR would have given a 'no comment ' if it were true if syringes were found as the it is provable by the police as a fact.

If she contradicts the story and later the police produce the evidence then the McCanns will look very bad indeed. Therefore, if she is any good as a PR, she wouldn't risk giving this comment if it is untrue.

 

[angarella]

Suffice it to say, my friend has a "gift" and I have alot of faith in their ability to intuit things that most people cannot. Course, you do not know me or my friend and we could be complete loonies as far as you know but, I wanted to tell you all about this BECAUSE....

If something really does break loose tomorrow I want you all to be ready. I want you to think about what you would like to have live eyes and ears in PDL do, if YOU could be there. Of course, it could get completely crazy and communication could become difficult, but, just in case...

It would be great if your friend could video the route all around the apartment - the exits, entrances and to the Tapas Bar, so we could see for ourselves the place involved. Thanks.

Great idea!~

 

[mrsmousemat]

It was taped before Gerry went to Edinburgh for the media festival over the weekend. I'm not making excuses for him, but GM specifically told them that he couldn't discuss questions about the case before the interview began and when they asked two in a row, he lost his cool and stomped off, leaving Kate to carry on alone. There was some sort of panel involved who discussed the "leaving kids alone" viewpoint and blamed Madeleine's fate on the McCanns' neglect.

I do wish KM would stop carrying that stuffed toy around with her. Cuddle Cat has served its purpose.

I'm just amazed that such a 'well respected reporter' would not have done any background research and not know that the McCanns could not answer questions.

The Cuddle Cat is Mrs McCann's symbol to Madeleine if she is watching a TV set, that she is thinking about her.

If Madeleine has access to a TV it is likely to be in a language that she cannot understand but she would see her mother and the Cuddle Cat.

 

[Reannan]

Thanks for sharing your friend with us Colomom! I would like for your friend to look at the route from the apartment to Murat's house. I am especially interested if it would have been possible for someone to take Madeleine up onto the roof and somehow make it over to his house by the way of roof tops. I recall early on in the investigation that the Portugese LE were using dogs "on roof tops", and that has been nagging at me ever since. Thanks!

 

[mjak]

The PR would have given a 'no comment ' if it were true if syringes were found as the it is provable by the police as a fact.

If she contradicts the story and later the police produce the evidence then the McCanns will look very bad indeed. Therefore, if she is any good as a PR, she wouldn't risk giving this comment if it is untrue.

This of course assumes her clients are being truthfully with her.

mjak

 

[mjak]

I'm just amazed that such a 'well respected reporter' would not have done any background research and not know that the McCanns could not answer questions.

The Cuddle Cat is Mrs McCann's symbol to Madeleine if she is watching a TV set, that she is thinking about her.

If Madeleine has access to a TV it is likely to be in a language that she cannot understand but she would see her mother and the Cuddle Cat.

I completely understand Mrs McCann's desire to carry Cuddlecat. What I do not understand is if it is such a valuable piece of evidence as claimed. the proof a kidnapper was in the room why is it not in police custody in an evidence bag?

mjak

 

[mrsmousemat]

This of course assumes her clients are being truthfully with her.

mjak[/quote

Correct - and clients, being human beings rarely 100 percent truthful.

But she still wouldn't risk her professional reputation unless she had done some research with the police if she is any good, as it would be a really stupid thing to get caught on.

 

[mrsmousemat]

I completely understand Mrs McCann's desire to carry Cuddlecat. What I do not understand is if it is such a valuable piece of evidence as claimed. the proof a kidnapper was in the room why is it not in police custody in an evidence bag?

mjak

Heaven knows - the police have to answer that one.. ... You know, the same police that missed blood spots in the room. I could go on but it makes my teeth ache at the thought of the missed opportunities for evidence.

 

[jacobean]

Just wanted to say a quick "excellent" to colomom, im taking your advice not to get hopes up, but cant help feeling quite wide eyed and excited about your friend and what they might be able to find out for us. Thankyou also to your friend for making the journey, every little helps and well i just think you rock. :blowkiss:

Its just a thought, but having seen posts about these cliffs with lots of caves etc, i wonder if your friend may be able to visit this area and just see if they pick up anything. I thought this was an interesting point on the last thread and didnt see any posts saying it had been properly checked out.

Excellent idea on the hotel info MrsMouseMat, i think it would be great to get a view of the exits etc and put it all together in context.

Calikid, i agree totally, ive also spent alot of time on some of the other forums and some of it really starts to wear on you. I hope you get some good rest today and that we get some news tomorrow.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Excellent idea on the hotel info MrsMouseMat, i think it would be great to get a view of the exits etc and put it all together in context.


Thanks - It maybe that the PD will not allow it, but I've been trying to get Sky TV to cover the abduction (?) in a special programme by writing to their website, pointing out that they are a bit slow off the mark, given the worldwide interest.

A programme would not only help Websleuths but may jog someone's memory of the night in question, who was staying at the resort.

So if the friend currently at the resort cannot make a video, perhaps Websleuthers could also write to Sky asking them for a programme supporting the idea. Thanks.

 

[mrsmousemat]

Today's UK Times carries an article by British parenting expert Dr Tanya Byron. In it she deals with how to deal with children's tantrums.
She says that if the child doesn't stop a tantrum, to tell them that they will lose their favourite toy then to put it on a high shelf, where they can see it, to show the child the consequence of their behaviour. They get it back when they calm down.
Personally, I always tried distraction as a tantrum control method, so I've never come across this before, but it does show that this method is a current way controlling a child in the UK. It maybe worldwide - I don't know.

 

[comfort80]

Today's UK Times carries an article by British parenting expert Dr Tanya Byron. In it she deals with how to deal with children's tantrums.
She says that if the child doesn't stop a tantrum, to tell them that they will lose their favourite toy then to put it on a high shelf, where they can see it, to show the child the consequence of their behaviour. They get it back when they calm down.
Personally, I always tried distraction as a tantrum control method, so I've never come across this before, but it does show that this method is a current way controlling a child in the UK. It maybe worldwide - I don't know.

r u thinking that maybe mom or dad put cuddlecat up on the shelf and either forgot about it, or decided to change the story about how it got up there?

 

[CaliKid]

I don't even know what the big deal is with Cuddle Cat. Early news articles (which have since disappeared, to be replaced by newer reports) claimed the McCanns said Cuddle Cat was an upcoming birthday gift for Madeleine, so she wasn't sleeping with it. Check out the following link from May 6:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....752277.ece

"At 9.30pm Gerry McCann checked his children and they were sound asleep, with Madeleine lying with her comfort blanket. Thirty minutes later his wife returned and found Madeleine gone and the shutter of the rear window open."

The article says nothing about Cuddle Cat. It says she slept with a comfort blanket. Usually kids have one favorite toy or blankie to hold on to at night, not two.

 

[colomom]

Well pretty quiet in PDL it seems, another false dawn....and I am waiting patiently for my friend to call or e-mail me....

In the meantime.....

Here are some really good pictures of PDL: http://www.traveluzion.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=11&🤬🤬🤬=0 My friend really wants to go to what may be the "monument" referred to by GM in his blog where they jog to (picture# 14). There are some good photos of the cliffs where my friend will visit as well (I'll let you know Jacobean).

Mrsmousemat, I will pass on the request for video but I believe I was told only still photos would be taken by my friend, don't know for sure. In the meantime here are some good photos of the Ocean Club and the area:

Go here: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx

Search for Praia Da Luz (check the box for Editorial Images) then go to page 2.

In the second row there are 4 images. The first is a picture showing the pool, with the Tapas bar being in the far, lower right corner. The McCanns apartment would be directly under the "I" in images (the Getty Images disclaimer that is superimposed on the photo). Casa Lilliana (Robert Murat's house is at the very top, slightly left of center of the photo. This would show any rooftop route which I don't see as possible as the apartments and houses are separated. The 2nd and 3rd pictures are of Casa Lilliana (for reference with the first). You can see that it is isolated from any other structures. Finally, the 4th picture is of the Ocean Club complex which shows the Tapas Bar (left center, directly left of "getty") and the route to the McCanns apartment which is far, right, center.

There are some very good pictures of the resort, which will give you a fairly good idea of the layout, here: http://www.travelblog.net/crash/Europe/Portugal/Algarve/blog-184126.html

Also here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=474428&in_page_id=1811

Here is a route marked out and measured (for you Reannan): http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/392/longwaycz6.jpg

Here are a couple of Google Earth maps for reference:

This is the very first place my friend will visit:

 

[Ang50]

r u thinking that maybe mom or dad put cuddlecat up on the shelf and either forgot about it, or decided to change the story about how it got up there?

I think the theory might be that Madeleine was having a tantrum and they put Cuddle Cat up. Then - maybe the tantrum was so bad that the parents lost their temper or drugged her to get her to sleep.

Mrs MM - not trying to speak for you - but this is what I thought from your post.

As a parent of a child Madeleine's age, I would not do this because it would escalate a tantrum in my child. I only put things up high when kids are fighting over them.