Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 4

[BethInAK]

And apparently they haven't learned anything from Madeleine's disappearance because they still go off and leave their children. Not alone, but if it were me, I'd be holding on to the twins as tight as I could and wouldn't be able to stand having them out of my sight. That's just me, though. Obviously, Kate McCann sees the situation differently.

I only have one child. But I know that if I were Kate, I'd be glued to my twins because they would be the only possible, minute comfort anywhere.

 

[BethInAK]

Somebody posted on there this eve, their theory regarding the mystery of the Nanny:-

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=15424744#post15424744

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Ok. My arms have been twisted so I'll try and give a summary of why I don't think there's a nanny in the frame. Mind, it's just my theory

As far as I know, the nanny has been mentioned once and only by Gerry's mother. Since then, there has been absolutely no mention whatsoever of her by anyone (except on internet forums

) and even the press haven't repeated Eileen's claim since she made it

About 2 or 3 weeks ago, Gerry wrote in his blog that they relied on Kate's mum for childcare in the weekends when he's on call because Kate cannot cope on her own with the 3 kids. Anyone who's interested can go and trawl through Gerry's blogs to read this entry. He said she (Kate's mum) regularly had to fly down from Liverpool to assist Kate. Given the fact that Kate only works one and a half days a week, I don't see the need for a nanny. Perhaps, they have a baby-sitter or child minder who helps take the kids to creche/nursery but not a nanny IMO.

To conclude, I believe the nanny Gerry's mum was referring to is Kate's mum: nanny = nan!


Not sure on that one

She can't manage her own children?

I can understand that if you have 2 newborns and a 1 year old, you might need some help, but they are 2 and three. Daycare providers manage five toddlers each.

Something is wrong with this family. I'm not saying they are murderers. They are WRONG, however.

 

[CaliKid]

Same for me. Not only for comfort, but I would be so paranoid about losing them I'd be standing guard over them 24/7.

 

[CaliKid]

She can't manage her own children?

I can understand that if you have 2 newborns and a 1 year old, you might need some help, but they are 2 and three. Daycare providers manage five toddlers each.

Something is wrong with this family. I'm not saying they are murderers. They are WRONG, however.

Early in the investigation I was very sympathetic towards the parents, but that was before we began hearing how they left the children alone at night so they could eat out. But everything I've read lately about Kate McCann leads me to believe she is a very narcissistic person. She wants it all and is used to getting what she wants.

Successful doctor, successful husband, world traveler, nice house, etc. A very tidy life- which should include children. So she has her infertility treatments and gets her children. But the realities of being a mother were much different than she imagined, and tending to three babies under the age of three is more than she bargained for. So she has her mother come in and help.

What I don't understand is why she and her husband didn't just leave the kids with family members and go to Portugal alone. They left Madeleine and the twins in childcare all day anyways and couldn't even stay home at night with them either. Why drag these poor kids on a family vacation when they weren't even with their parents most of the time?

 

[Bobbisangel]

Same for me. Not only for comfort, but I would be so paranoid about losing them I'd be standing guard over them 24/7.

I read in an article that the twins sleep inbetween the parents every night.
It must be uncomfortable for all 4 of them unless they have a huge bed but uncomfortable or not that is where my little ones would be sleeping too for a long long time.

People made comments about the mom smiling in the pictures of her and her husband and the twins at the park. I don't know how people expect these parents to act. If they went around crying all of the time in front of the twins people would say that they should at least try to give the twins a normal life if possible...I mean try to keep their daily schedule as normal as possible and to try and act normal around them. I don't think these parents can do anything right in the eyes of some people. These parents deserve to enjoy playing with the twins and enjoying the outings that they take them on. A person can smile but be dying inside. I know that for a fact. I've been there and was raising a 4 yr old. You have to think of the children and how your behavior affects them too even though you could just lay down and die.
My heart goes out to these parents. We don't know enough about them to judge them fairly. I'm sure that we could all be critized for some of the things that we do with our children.

 

[Shazza]

What we do know about the parents is enough to know that imo they are not good parents, if you have read all these posts in this thread and the previous ones you will see list upon list of things these parents did or said that were out of the ordinary and suspicious.

Some of the things they did do like leaving their kids while they went out to dine was done numerous times, they didnt spend a lot of time with their children, they were always in day care or with a nanny. There is so much more but I will only be repeating what has been said earlier.

These parents wanted it all, and wanted to look like the perfect family, but didnt want the responsibility of looking after their children 24/7.
I am disgusted with the parents, I wont deny it, there are to many inconsistencies in their stories and their actions.
They have broken the law by leaving their children alone without supervision and should be charged accordingly.

 

[april4sky]

I read in an article that the twins sleep inbetween the parents every night.
It must be uncomfortable for all 4 of them unless they have a huge bed but uncomfortable or not that is where my little ones would be sleeping too for a long long time.

People made comments about the mom smiling in the pictures of her and her husband and the twins at the park. I don't know how people expect these parents to act. If they went around crying all of the time in front of the twins people would say that they should at least try to give the twins a normal life if possible...I mean try to keep their daily schedule as normal as possible and to try and act normal around them. I don't think these parents can do anything right in the eyes of some people. These parents deserve to enjoy playing with the twins and enjoying the outings that they take them on. A person can smile but be dying inside. I know that for a fact. I've been there and was raising a 4 yr old. You have to think of the children and how your behavior affects them too even though you could just lay down and die.
My heart goes out to these parents. We don't know enough about them to judge them fairly. I'm sure that we could all be critized for some of the things that we do with our children.

My heart goes out to them too. They may not be perfect...but who is!!! Loving parents I believe they are though and they didn't deserve to have their child kidnapped. All this nastiness should be aimed at the evil person who has taken Madelaine. Making an error of judjement doesn't mean you don't love your child....god help us if this happenned every time a parent makes a mistake. Their hearts are aching for Madelaine and are trying everything they can think of to find her. Please God it will be soon. I do think this thread has become a little twisted. JMHO.

 

[Shazza]

My heart goes out to them too. They may not be perfect...but who is!!! Loving parents I believe they are though and they didn't deserve to have their child kidnapped. All this nastiness should be aimed at the evil person who has taken Madelaine. Making an error of judjement doesn't mean you don't love your child....god help us if this happenned every time a parent makes a mistake. Their hearts are aching for Madelaine and are trying everything they can think of to find her. Please God it will be soon. I do think this thread has become a little twisted. JMHO.

I agree this thread has become twisted, but not by the posters but the subject matter.

 

[docwho3]

Just my opinion:

My first reaction is to say that I don't give a rats backside what sort of parents they were if in fact they were not involved in her disappearance in some purposeful way.

After all, the main thing right now is to find out who did what to this missing little girl.

But on second thought I realize that some might take that to mean that I do not care if the little girl was properly cared for and not abused. And I do care about such things.
But if the parents were not really involved with the little girl's disappearance by hiring her kidnapper/s to take her or by killing her and stashing the body or by selling her to someone and then claiming kidnap . . . If none of those things were done by the parents then for purposes of this case I only care about information that might lead to finding the little girl.

I usually start from the parents and work outward if the facts permit.
I guess that in such cases I usually ask myself if the parents had any corroboration of their story. Who (other than the parents) last saw the little girl alive and did the parents have time or opportunity to have committed some crime against the child from that point onwards or is their entire story backed up by witnesses?
For instance, who (other than the parents) saw this little girl was still alive that day when her parents went to dinner that day? . . . . and so on. It would not be the first time a child was killed by a parent and then both parents claimed they could not locate their child . . . . as if they had no idea what had happened to their child.

So do the parents have witnesses to back up their story? And can they pass a poly? If so then good, it would mean we can mentally move on to looking at others in an ever widening circle until hopefully someone is found whose story does not check out.

Another thought- (not sure I can explain it well):
When a little person is missing and no body is found that in itself says something to us about the possibilities of crime involved and the possible reasons for such a crime.

A killer could have killed her and left the body along the road somewhere like trash in a dumpster. It would not be the 1st time such a things was done. But he evidently has not done so in this case. She might be alive and not dead and so the idea might be to keep her and raise her up and that could mean a perp who might even be female. Women have been known to kidnap children to raise as their own. Of course a man could kidnap a little person to raise up for other purposes as well. Or she might be dead. If the body is not found it might mean the killer wanted to hide the body to keep some evidence from surfacing that might point to him. Perhaps he would be concerned he left DNA on the body or other trace evidence and so hid the body. Perhaps he wants to be able to secretly return to her burial site from time to time to relive what was done. Or maybe some wound or injury done to the victim would point straight to the person who did the crime and so the body had to be hidden for that reason. Hiding the body or keeping the live girl point to certain profiles of what sort of person may have done this and that may in turn help focus in on a suspect.

Anyway thats just my opinion on things.

 

[Shazza]

Your opinions are that of others that have posted here also, buy you cant change the fact that none of this would have happened if the parents had not left the children alone, THAT SO FAR IS THE ONLY FACT WE HAVE, and now Madelaine is missing.

There are a lot of different scenarios posted here, but non of them have been proven or have facts to back them up. We are all trying to come up with plausible reasons has to what happened, with no luck so far.

 

[lizziedripping]

Call me a cynic, call me whatever you want........ but from the onset of Madelines disappearance I smell a rat - I truly hope I am wrong......

 

[Shazza]

Call me a cynic, call me whatever you want........ but from the onset of Madelines disappearance I smell a rat - I truly hope I am wrong......

I dont think you are wrong lizziedripping, that has been my belief right from the start.
I still pray for Madelaines safe return.

 

[docwho3]

Your opinions are that of others that have posted here also, buy you cant change the fact that none of this would have happened if the parents had not left the children alone, THAT SO FAR IS THE ONLY FACT WE HAVE, . . .

Thankyou for the knd response. You raise a valid point in saying that not much is known. But we do actually know a few meager facts and I hope that L.E. know more that they are not telling about.
We know that she was not killed and just dumped out along the road nearby. We know that because she would have been found by now if it were so.
We know there has been no public reports of her blood being found in the room where she and her parents had been staying.
And there are a few other facts as well. It is truly a tiny amount of public information but not a total lack of information.

I even have asked myself if she wandered into some power room somewhere and died by accident as that guy did at a college a while back. I would have thought they would have smelled the body after he was missing so long but evidently no one did smell it.

. . .There are a lot of different scenarios posted here, but non of them have been proven or have facts to back them up. We are all trying to come up with plausible reasons has to what happened, with no luck so far.

Perhaps some of the posters were correct but so far the proof has not yet surfaced. Maybe in time some posts will be proven.
At least you all seem to care enough to try to figure stuff out and that is a good thing.

 

[MoonGoddess]

I agree this thread has become twisted, but not by the posters but the subject matter.

:clap:

 

[Shazza]

Thankyou for the knd response. You raise a valid point in saying that not much is known. But we do actually know a few meager facts and I hope that L.E. know more that they are not telling about.
We know that she was not killed and just dumped out along the road nearby. We know that because she would have been found by now if it were so.
We know there has been no public reports of her blood being found in the room where she and her parents had been staying.
And there are a few other facts as well. It is truly a tiny amount of public information but not a total lack of information.

I even have asked myself if she wandered into some power room somewhere and died by accident as that guy did at a college a while back. I would have thought they would have smelled the body after he was missing so long but evidently no one did smell it.

Perhaps some of the posters were correct but so far the proof has not yet surfaced. Maybe in time some posts will be proven.
At least you all seem to care enough to try to figure stuff out and that is a good thing.

It is great they we can all throw in our opinions and try to figure out what has happened to Madelaine, imo the search that was done in areas close by was not extensive enough, the search was called off way to early, we still dont know if the sniffer dogs that were to help in the search ever turned up as I think they cancelled the search before they arrived, so Madelaine could still be close to where they were holidaying, which I hope proves to not be the case, as she wouldnt be alive. IMO a more extensive search should be done.

 

[Taximom]

Hi Taximom--still works for me.

TIMESONLINE UK 10 May 2007 under World News--
TITLE AND RE: Madeleine abducted to order by internnational child sex gang


Hope that helps.

Thanks-that info helped. :blowkiss:

 

[englishleigh]

I might be late to the party, but did you guys see this news?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,283813,00.html

 

[colomom]

This is really good news. 31 kids rescued! I would like to know about reunions but this is probably all we will hear. Still it is good to know that a bit of evil has been erased.

Thanks for posting that englishleigh!

 

[colomom]

I do think this thread has become a little twisted. JMHO.

Could you please be a bit more specific? In what way? Since I am new, I want to make sure that I am following proper "protocol" for this forum.

Thank you.

 

[englishleigh]

This is really good news. 31 kids rescued! I would like to know about reunions but this is probably all we will hear. Still it is good to know that a bit of evil has been erased.

Thanks for posting that englishleigh!

I know! You have to assume that none of those kids were Maddie, but still, the kids were alive, and there might be links to another group who may actually have Maddie.