Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 7

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"Police sources were quoted as saying the investigation was at a critical stage, and would not reveal the outcome of the showdown."

Well if that is the case then we know that these 4 people are somehow involved somehow someway. One of the 4 knows something or saw something. I am laying my cards on Murat.

I hope they have found out something that will help Madelaine, hoping for more news tomorrow.
 
"Dr Fiona Payne, Dr Russell O'Brien and Rachael Oldfield claim they saw Mr Murat - the "arguido", or only named suspect in the case - near the McCanns' holiday flat shortly after Madeleine disappeared."

Ok, lets think about this, if they all 3 claim to have seen RM shortly after Madeleine disappeared wouldn't take help RM instead of point to him. Think about it, if he did "take" Madeleine where did he stash her so he could go back to the scene of the crime and be seen helping look for her??? IF (and I think it is a BIG IF) he went back to be seen helping then I would think that he would have made sure he was "seen" and there wouldn't be any doubts. I think the whole going back to the scene story makes no sense anyways if he is guilty of having anything to be with Madeleine's disappearance. What could possibly be the purpose? Who ever took her (if someone took her) would have been getting as far away as possible with her. Going back just makes no sense to me.

I find the story of the 2 "late" dinner guests more suspicious than RM's story. Why were they late??
 
For those interested here is the link.

http://www.functionpix.com/index.php/article/Madeleine_McCann__Parents_first_interview/1392/

Answers from the lips of the man and woman themselves.

No private investigators hired from the fund. No physical searching themselves. That dead set certainty that she couldn't have wandered off.

I have been reading and re-reading articles published from the very begining. I wanted to refresh my mind. Is what I'm thinking heresay from a blog or forum or was that a fact?

The reported distance from the apartment to the tapas bar varies significantly. I think I've satisfied myself as to what the actual distance was in viewing the photos of the the resort.

The McCanns claim to this day that there was a break in through the window although this has been disputed vigorously by Mark Warner resort management and police. There were no signs of forcible entry. Period.

From the article linked above:

“We need to believe she is coming back to us.” Said Kate.

How pathetic. How do you suppose, Kate, that she is going to come back to you? Certainly not by your hand or doing. Admittedly not having physically searched. Continuing down that passive path. Gerry's conviction that 'the public holds the key' so no need for private investigators in spite of there being almost? over? a million pounds raised in the no stone unturned fund.

What a strange name for the fund. Especially since they haven't so much as kicked a pebble over in the search for their daughter. Is it possible concieving Madeleine IVF somehow messed with this woman's maternal instincts?

Sorry, the more I find the more enraged I become.

What horrors must this child have been subjected to? Should she still be alive what terror is visited upon her every single day?

I can't even stand to think about it. And thinking about them - the people who brought her into this world - makes me want to vomit.

Kat

Interesting. Thanks BadKat for linking back to this interview.

Did you see how GM squirmed out from under the question about leaving the children alone? He just totally ignored it. “If you actually look at our own actions and those of the group – the speed of response – Mark Warner, the resort manager was excellent”

And from KM- “I did want to go and look for Maddie myself – we may not have been physically searching but we have been very busy.”

With what, pray tell! What in the h*ll could be so much more important than looking for you missing toddler daughter? All they really wanted to talk about, even at that early stage, was the fund and how people were contributing to it.

And the classic line- “Any criticism of us at this time has been hard to deal with of course, and there has been lots which has been very hard. What we did – many others would have said the same.
 
Interesting. Thanks BadKat for linking back to this interview.

Did you see how GM squirmed out from under the question about leaving the children alone? He just totally ignored it. “If you actually look at our own actions and those of the group – the speed of response – Mark Warner, the resort manager was excellent”

And from KM- “I did want to go and look for Maddie myself – we may not have been physically searching but we have been very busy.”

With what, pray tell! What in the h*ll could be so much more important than looking for you missing toddler daughter? All they really wanted to talk about, even at that early stage, was the fund and how people were contributing to it.

And the classic line- “Any criticism of us at this time has been hard to deal with of course, and there has been lots which has been very hard. What we did – many others would have said the same.

SO bizarre! It's almost like they are talking in riddles. I THINK they know more than they can say.. and that in PART is the reason for their dodging questions (other than the obvious). I can not however fathom why they have never looked for their child. Either they already know where she is.. or they simply just do not care.
 
None of what seems to have happened that night makes any sense.

A small child disappears, and one of the dinner guests of her parents' passed someone carrying a child less than an hour before- but she doesn't think it's important enough to mention until days later.

Robert Murat shows up that night to help look for Madeleine, but the three friends don't connect him (until after he's named a suspect by someone else) with an earlier sighting in the vacinity of the apartments even though the McCanns were insisting she'd been kidnapped.

It just sounds to me like the McCanns' friends are desperately trying to make the abduction scenario stick without any real evidence and pointing fingers at anyone but themselves.
 
It is now late afternoon Friday in PT. PJ was reported as saying they would have answers by Friday.

I don't think they have any answers, evidence or even know what the questions should be.

imoo

Where is little Madeleine?

Wasn't P-LE promising arrests were imminent by the end of this week? I'm not blaming them because I think they're doing the best job possible under the circumstances. But I don't see any forthcoming arrests at all.
 
This case is so strange. I really hope we have answers soon. It reminds me a little too much of JonBenet Ramsey.
 
Murat is obviously being set up by the McCann gang of irresponsible heavy-drinking child-neglecting doctors.
 
And from KM- “I did want to go and look for Maddie myself – we may not have been physically searching but we have been very busy.”

With what, pray tell! What in the h*ll could be so much more important than looking for you missing toddler daughter? All they really wanted to talk about, even at that early stage, was the fund and how people were contributing to it.

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Very busy raising money and traveling to see the Pope...what could be more important that that??? :doh: :loser:
 
http://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/htm/pessoas_desaparecidas/madeleine.htm

Policia Judiciaria website featuring Madeleine's missing person page. In Portuguese.

I used babelfish to translate. This is the actual translation as given to me by babelfish:

Name: Madeleine Beth Mccann

Filiation: Gerald Patrick Mccann and Kate Marie Healy

Nationality: Joined Kingdom

Naturalness: Leicester
Date of birth: 12/05/2003

Passport: 453847661 - Joined Kingdom

Date of issue: 04/08/2003

Date of validity: 04/08/2008

Physical description:

Sex: Feminine

Height: 90 cm

Hair: claro/louro, smooth chestnut, for the shoulders

Eyes: blue and green left eye, green right eye with chestnut spot in the iris.

Particular signals: Small signal in the skin, of chestnut color, in the gémeo of the left leg.

Clothes:

In the date of the disappearance, it dressed pyjamas of white pants with floral reasons, and has broken short sleeve superior, with predominance of rose color and in the front a figure of a "jumento" of blue and gray color, with registration "EEYORE".

Complementary information:

It disappeared in 03/05/2007, for 22H40, of the Ocean Club, Beach of the Light, Lakes, place where it passed vacation with the parents. The disappearance occurred in a height where the child was alone in the apartment.



Department of Criminal Inquiry of Portimão of the Judiciary Policy

Street Foot Da Cruz, 2, 8500-640 Portimão
Telephone: 282 405 400
Pole: 282 427 671
Fax: 282 412 763
Email: [email protected]

22:40???

This calls into question the timeline given by the McCanns and their party yet again. 10:40 p.m.?

Also, I found it interesting that you can find more about Madeleine on the PJ website than you can on her own findmadeleine.com page.

The deeper I dig the more disturbing this becomes.
 
And for those interested in news reports from within Portugal - courtesy of Aussie Mike - a link to numerous newspapers in Portugal.

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/portugal.htm

Many to wade through, but I'm game to search for some unbiased news reports which actually involve utilizing the skills of investigative journalism.
 
22:40???

This calls into question the timeline given by the McCanns and their party yet again. 10:40 p.m.?

Also, I found it interesting that you can find more about Madeleine on the PJ website than you can on her own findmadeleine.com page.

The deeper I dig the more disturbing this becomes.

BadKat, according to reports I've seen, the local police were called immediately. The PJ were notified an hour or two later which explains the 22:40 time.
 
I found it interesting that Gerry McCann did not actually answer directly the question about his decision to leave Madeleine and her siblings alone, but instead praised the "response time" of everyone once she was reportedly discovered missing.

If Kate McCann had really wanted to search physically for her child she would have.

I find it also disgusting that they keep appealing to "the public" for the child's return. If she has been abducted and is still alive, it is obviously by people who could care less about "appeals" to return her.
 
If Madeleine were my daughter, I would be totally upfront about my actions and movements before she disappeared, and nothing would be kept secret. I would answer the questions because that's the only way LE would know where to start looking. And I would be out, day after day, moving heaven and earth to find her. Not lying, making excuses and visiting foreign and religious dignitaries.
 
If Madeleine were my daughter, I would be totally upfront about my actions and movements before she disappeared, and nothing would be kept secret. I would answer the questions because that's the only way LE would know where to start looking. And I would be out, day after day, moving heaven and earth to find her. Not lying, making excuses and visiting foreign and religious dignitaries.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!
 
This is the latest article from SOL (translated by Astro on http://formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi) which you unfortunately have to register for if you want to get into the forum and read anything.

Sol

13th July 2007

By Margarida Davim

At the entrance of Ocean’s Club in Praia da Luz, the journalists who participated in the press conference that was held by Madeleine’s parents for the Portuguese media, encountered a plastic box to collect donations. A small text, signed by Kate and Gerry McCann, invites everyone who enters the resort to contribute. This gesture was not appreciated by the members of staff, who claim that the resort “is full of collection boxes”.

A fund for Maddie

This box is just one of many ways that Maddie’s parents found to collect money for the ‘Leaving no Stone Unturned’ fund – which counts with almost 900 thousand pounds already (one million three hundred thousand euros).

Justine McGuinness, the McCanns' new public relations, guarantees that the collected money “is being managed by a group of independent persons”, and subject to “very rigorous rules that are imposed by british law to all charities”. Still, McGuinness refuses to explain who are the “highly qualified lawyers and managers” that are managing the fund, just highlighting they are not remunerated, and offered as volunteers.

On the findmadeleine.com site there is an online store, where Gerry and Kate sell yellow rubber bracelets and textile bands, to help finance the cause. Callum McRae, the author of the site, says it was the couple’s idea. Speaking to SOL, McRae explains that the child’s aunt, Philomena McCann, asked him to create the internet page, just two days after the girl went missing. “She knew exactly what she wanted”, says Callum McRae, who created the contents in just one day.

The McCann’s internet page also publicizes several fundraising events, all taking place in the UK, and some planned over 60 days ahead.

To SOL, McRae, who was a student of Madeleine’s aunt in highschool, did not want to specify whether his work on the site is paid by the fund or not: “I’m not authorized to speak about that”. According to the site, the fund’s purpose is to “support Madeleine’s family financially” and to make sure she is found, and her kidnappers brought to trial. After reaching these targets, the collected money shall be used to help solving “similar cases in the UK, in Portugal and elsewhere”.

Twins at the creche

This week, Kate and Gerry moved into a villa outside the Ocean Club, but are still visiting the resort. “They come here every day to drop the twins at the creche”, a member of staff reports.

Kate and Gerry, who are now staying at a villa with a pool, never had to pay for their stay at the resort. “They were not even handed a bill”, the same employee of the Ocean Club says, noting the couple’s detached and somewhat “arrogant” attitude.

Reactions to SOL

Last edition’s article on the McCann case (A pact of silence), has livened the discussion in the UK. Fully translated into English, it has prompted approximately 20 pages of reactions in the forum of the Daily Mirror. Among the comments, there is criticism of the alleged censorship that this work was subject to in the forums of other British media.
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1) It seems that the conspicuous money-making is finally starting to grate on people's sensibilities.
2) Either GM's family is incredibly talented in creating websites at a moment's notice, or ....
3) How do the McCanns know they'll need fund-raisers two months from now? I realize some stuff needs advance planning, but it seems a little far-reaching.
4) I don't understand why the McCanns get to live in the lap of luxury at other peoples' expense as if they're entitled.
5) Maybe the tide is beginning as far as British censorship is concerned. Personally, I feel as if the people who donated into the Madeleine fund have been thoroughly manipulated.
 
This is the latest article from SOL (translated by Astro on http://formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi which you unfortunately have to register for to get into the forum and read anything.

Sol

13th July 2007

By Margarida Davim

At the entrance of Ocean’s Club in Praia da Luz, the journalists who participated in the press conference that was held by Madeleine’s parents for the Portuguese media, encountered a plastic box to collect donations. A small text, signed by Kate and Gerry McCann, invites everyone who enters the resort to contribute. This gesture was not appreciated by the members of staff, who claim that the resort “is full of collection boxes”.

A fund for Maddie

This box is just one of many ways that Maddie’s parents found to collect money for the ‘Leaving no Stone Unturned’ fund – which counts with almost 900 thousand pounds already (one million three hundred thousand euros).

Justine McGuinness, the McCanns' new public relations, guarantees that the collected money “is being managed by a group of independent persons”, and subject to “very rigorous rules that are imposed by british law to all charities”. Still, McGuinness refuses to explain who are the “highly qualified lawyers and managers” that are managing the fund, just highlighting they are not remunerated, and offered as volunteers.

On the findmadeleine.com site there is an online store, where Gerry and Kate sell yellow rubber bracelets and textile bands, to help finance the cause. Callum McRae, the author of the site, says it was the couple’s idea. Speaking to SOL, McRae explains that the child’s aunt, Philomena McCann, asked him to create the internet page, just two days after the girl went missing. “She knew exactly what she wanted”, says Callum McRae, who created the contents in just one day.

The McCann’s internet page also publicizes several fundraising events, all taking place in the UK, and some planned over 60 days ahead.

To SOL, McRae, who was a student of Madeleine’s aunt in highschool, did not want to specify whether his work on the site is paid by the fund or not: “I’m not authorized to speak about that”. According to the site, the fund’s purpose is to “support Madeleine’s family financially” and to make sure she is found, and her kidnappers brought to trial. After reaching these targets, the collected money shall be used to help solving “similar cases in the UK, in Portugal and elsewhere”.

Twins at the creche

This week, Kate and Gerry moved into a villa outside the Ocean Club, but are still visiting the resort. “They come here every day to drop the twins at the creche”, a member of staff reports.

Kate and Gerry, who are now staying at a villa with a pool, never had to pay for their stay at the resort. “They were not even handed a bill”, the same employee of the Ocean Club says, noting the couple’s detached and somewhat “arrogant” attitude.

Reactions to SOL

Last edition’s article on the McCann case (A pact of silence), has livened the discussion in the UK. Fully translated into English, it has prompted approximately 20 pages of reactions in the forum of the Daily Mirror. Among the comments, there is criticism of the alleged censorship that this work was subject to in the forums of other British media.
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1) Either GM's family is incredibly talented in creating websites at a moment's notice, or ....
2) How do the McCanns know they'll need fund-raisers two months from now? I realize some stuff needs advance planning, but it seems a little far-reaching.

This is unbelievable, they are more focused on getting money not searching for their daughter, These parents are $@%%, will be banned if I say what I want to say. What really irks me is they are telling us everything they can on how we can donate money for their cause, but I would be interested and I think they should show us where all the money is actually going. As far as I can tell, the money is being spent more on them. When is Madelaine going to come first with these idiotic parents.
 
As it seems that GM is the family member who is handling the business end of the fund and the whole FindMadeleine enterprise, why do the McCanns still need the creche service? Can't KM handle the twins by herself? It makes me wonder whether they really wanted to be parents or just wanted to have kids so they could look successful.
 
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