Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 7

[Shazza]

http://www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/14347

There is a post in here from djazz that sums it all up for me.


WORST MOTHER OF THE YEAR KATE MCCANN

25.07.07, 7:59pm
Clues to missing Madeleine lie with Kate McCann.

In nature, mothers fight for their cubs, but what of her?
She arrived at the flat and found the bed empty, but the twins sleeping peacefully in the same room. She doesn’t scream but turns on her heels back to the tapas to scream there, “they’ve taken her”.

What would a normal woman do?
Scream for help - not her
Bang on the neighbours flat for help - not her
Check to see if the predator was still there with M - not her
Shout for Gerry - remember he was within sight and sound, according to their account - not her
Put the twins under each arm to safeguard them and run - not her
The predator may have only been outside, a scream could have caused him to leave M and flee - not her
Running screaming for help through the street - not her
Shout at people to check swimming pool etc - not her

She left her twins alone there for another attack by the predator and claims they would die for their kids. What a joke!

What sort of woman would do that?

Perhaps one who knows the twins were “relatively safe” as she knows it wasn’t an abduction.

Lets all wake up and think. The McCann’s story stinks!

End Post/

This woman sums it up perfectly for me. IMO

I hope I am not going against TOS by posting her post here BUT this is exactly how I feel. I told my Hubby when Maddie first disappeared I suspect the McCanns and this is exactly why.

No Mum would run back to the Restaurant after finding her dau "missing" and leave her twins alone in the very room where she disappeared from.

Regardless of all the other info we have now, which only adds to my suspicion of these so called parents...

This has bugged me from the get go.

Shelly Beach, thankyou for your excellent post, you are not alone in thinking that KM acted strangely, I too thought it from the very start, and the actions of the parents since the day Madelaine disappeared only confirm my suspicions that they were somehow involved.

 

[CaliKid]

Shelly Beach, thankyou for your excellent post, you are not alone in thinking that KM acted strangely, I too thought it from the very start, and the actions of the parents since the day Madelaine disappeared only confirm my suspicions that they were somehow involved.

I agree that the McCanns' abduction story has been suspicious from the first and simply do not understand why the P-LE seems to be taking it at face value. Do they not think it's possible for parents to accidentally hurt or kill their children and lie to save their own skins? Or was there so much pressure brought on them by outside forces (the British government) that they caved in rather than mount an aggressive investigation of the McCanns.

Although there might some exaggeration of facts at this late time, I've read in various British and Portuguese newspapers that the McCanns had sedated their children at home on occasion; GM was known at the resort as a bully towards his wife and children; people around the McCann apartment heard the children crying almost every night, screaming for their parents, and complained about it to the management (who suggested the nighttime creche service to them, and it was refused); and the parents dined at places much further from the resort than the Tapas restaurant- in at least one case almost a mile away.

I don't know why the P-LE never pulled in the parents and interviewed them separately to see if their stories matched. It doesn't sound as if a full-scale ground search of the rural areas surrounding the resort was ordered, nor the dumpsters or landfill searched. Unfortunately, it's too late now to go back and do so many things that might have turned up Madeleine early on.

 

[lizziedripping]

Who the hell do the McCann’s think they are - threatening legal action against people who are voicing their opinions? It’s only since the story has unfolded, since the facts have been revealed and due to the McCann’s own actions that suspicions have been aroused.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea for the McCann’s to roll their sleeves up and join in the search for their precious daughter - getting off their butt and physically looking for Madeleine themselves is productive …………… threatening legal action and worrying what people are thinking and saying at this stage is not.

Why do the McCann’s think they are so different from anyone else who leaves their children alone in an apartment whilst they dine out with friends? The top and bottom of it is: this is NOT a done thing by any loving caring parent.

Like the rest of us on here, I would never in a million years have left my children in an apartment alone for whatever reason - for the very fact that ANYTHING could happen – my love for my children and my common sense tells me………… better to be safe than sorry!

Leaving 3 children under the age of four alone for whatever reason is a criminal offence, how dare the McCann's thraten legal action because people are questioning their stupidity and voicing their suspicions.........

I think I’ve finished now………………..

 

[petra]

Love your rant, Liz!!
I feel the same way :crazy:

 

[colomom]

How many of us have had a child disappear from our home? If we haven't then how do we know what we would do when we walked into the room and found our child gone? We might think we would know what we would do but I think shock would set in so fast that it would be impossible to think straight.

When I received a call telling me that my daughter had been shot by her ex husband I just went into shock. I kept running from the frontroom to the hallway trying to decide what I should do. I wanted to go to the town where she had been shot but I couldn't seem to make a clear decision. It wasn't anything like I would have thought it would be. I just couldn't think straight and I would imagine that is the way Kate Mc felt when she walked in and found her daughter missing.

Before it happened I probably would have said...well if that ever happened to one of my kids I would grab my car keys and run to my car and head for where ever as fast as I could get there to be with her. Not so. We don't know how we will react until tragedy strikes in our own family.

First, I am sooooo sorry that you experienced that with your daughter BobbisAngel, I cannot imagine that pain nor my reaction if it had been me. Just imagining it makes me weak in the knees.

I agree that we have no way of knowing how we would react, whether we would be "thinking" at all or just move onto auto pilot. I hope I never have to find out.

The thing that bothers me is that it wasn't one or two "strange" reactions, it was a whole series of them. And they continued. We can only compare them to what we have witnessed in the past and that is the problem. Most of us agree that we have never seen anything like this. And our gut tells us that it does not feel "right". I know that we have seen cases in the past where we were lied too, blantantly, by grieving "victims" (Susan Smith, Scott Peterson and others) and we remember feeling like something was "not right". As hard as I have tried to change my feelings about the McCanns, I can't. As much as I feel guilty for my instinct, I cannot change it. I gnaws at me...

And tell you what, I am tired of talking about Gerry and Kate, it is not about them, it should never have been about them. It is all about a tiny baby girl who is gone. It is about Madeleine Beth McCann.

My heart breaks for her....

 

[petra]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1277150,00.html

Thought I would post before it is changed or removed.
Article about secret pact.

============SNIPPET


'Group Formed A Pact Of Silence'

Updated: 13:23, Thursday July 26, 2007
<H2>The parents of missing Madeleine McCann and some of their friends have been accused in a Portuguese magazine of hiding behind a "pact of silence".

</H2>

McCanns under fire in Portugal

Kate and Gerry McCann were among a group of nine people eating out at a tapas bar on the night that the four-year-old was snatched from her room nearby.
Members of the party checked on Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie every half-hour, and insist they were acting responsibly.
But an article in Portugal claims the group have agreed not to talk after forming a pact.
There have also been reports of alleged inconsistencies in their statements.
==========================SNIPPET=================================

 

[petra]

More from above article===================SNIPPET

The story has led to the couple, from Rothley in Leicestershire, being heavily criticised on chatroom internet sites about the case.
There have also been calls in Portugal to prosecute the pair for leaving their children alone, reports the Daily Express.
Earlier this week, Gerry McCann were forced on the defensive in America when he was grilled on TV about why he left his children alone.
He said: "The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."
There have been no confirmed sightings of Madeleine ========SNIP

 

[petra]

Aussie Mike --On Cenorship and other latest blogs

http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/

 

[petra]

Daily Express-UK Hate Campaign????

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/14686

 

[Shazza]

More from above article===================SNIPPET

The story has led to the couple, from Rothley in Leicestershire, being heavily criticised on chatroom internet sites about the case.
There have also been calls in Portugal to prosecute the pair for leaving their children alone, reports the Daily Express.
Earlier this week, Gerry McCann were forced on the defensive in America when he was grilled on TV about why he left his children alone.
He said: "The kids were sound asleep and they were being checked regularly. We didn't think we needed a babysitter. We are good parents and what we did felt perfectly reasonable at the time."
There have been no confirmed sightings of Madeleine ========SNIP

Are the McCanns the only ones who cant see that what they did was not reasonable, it was absolutely unforgivable.
Good parents.....what a laugh, it makes me physically sick.

 

[Shazza]

Daily Express-UK Hate Campaign????

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/14686

The McCann team and family had better not read this site, there is not much love towards them from the majority of posters here, and which imo is justified.

 

[lizziedripping]

Thanks petra.

I am absolutely sick to death of reading about how the McCann’s are feeling victimised, picked on, accused etc. Since Madeleine disappeared the McCann’s have turned it into a Gerry & Kate show, it’s ridiculous. :furious: :furious:

This is like the OJ Simpson case – “let’s take the attention off Nicole Brown & Ronald Goldman’s murders by putting the emphasis on whether the glove fits or not”…… The self centred McCann’s are somewhat taking the attention off Madeleine’s disappearance and are putting the emphasis on themselves being victimised – makes me sick! :sick: :sick:

 

[lizziedripping]

I just learned that the word "satire" has different meanings in different places. So one of our UK posters should tell us what that means exactly there.

Satire means 'a send-up' or a 'spoof' here in the UK - where did you read this word and I will take a look.

 

[englishleigh]

Who the hell do the McCann’s think they are - threatening legal action against people who are voicing their opinions? It’s only since the story has unfolded, since the facts have been revealed and due to the McCann’s own actions that suspicions have been aroused.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea for the McCann’s to roll their sleeves up and join in the search for their precious daughter - getting off their butt and physically looking for Madeleine themselves is productive …………… threatening legal action and worrying what people are thinking and saying at this stage is not.

Why do the McCann’s think they are so different from anyone else who leaves their children alone in an apartment whilst they dine out with friends? The top and bottom of it is: this is NOT a done thing by any loving caring parent.

Like the rest of us on here, I would never in a million years have left my children in an apartment alone for whatever reason - for the very fact that ANYTHING could happen – my love for my children and my common sense tells me………… better to be safe than sorry!

Leaving 3 children under the age of four alone for whatever reason is a criminal offence, how dare the McCann's thraten legal action because people are questioning their stupidity and voicing their suspicions.........

I think I’ve finished now………………..

:clap: :clap: Agree with everything you've said here, Lizzie!!

 

[Jdee]

On this article that someone else just posted...
http://www.anorak.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann/175433.html

go to the bottom where the comments start and read the first one by Wonkey Donkey.

This says it all!

 

[Kizzbo]

Could someone answer me this: on the Madeleine sites about her missing, why is it so hard to find her physical statistics? I clicked on the "about" link and all it gave me was that she "was born 4 years ago" and info about her family and what they do and where they are from and how close they are. Even in the dowloads, you can download a poster of her, but still, no statistics. If this was your child, aside from the fact that you would not have left her unattended, wouldn't you make the main focus of a site searching for her, about her and put out there her physical statistics so people will know exactly what to look for? By visiting the site alone, you walk away knowing a child is missing, but very little else, about her, other than she has a unique issue with her eye. (And honestly, you would probably have to be right up on her to see it.) If these people want to keep her in the publics eye, it wouldn't hurt to know EXACTLY what to look for.

Hmmm... it is mighty easy to find the numbers on where to send money, though...

I can't find the link at the moment but Gerry did say (somewhere) that they have been advised NOT to put out too much detail about Madeleine as this could be used in extortion attempts. The PJ /British Police also want to keep the personal stuff out of the public forum so that they can "test" any leads which might appear to be real and accurate.

I thought the same as you at first - but when I read this statement I felt better about it. I wouldn't want anyone to start another wild-goose-chase by using information from a very public forum.

(The statement might have been in Gerry's blog because my recollection of what I read started with "some people have asked why we haven't given more personal details about Madeleine...... I can't check it out beacuse we can't get into "previous blog postings" now like we could in the early days!)

 

[Kizzbo]

I have a greater understanding of what the PJ is up against with him/them now. I can't put my finger on it either.

Atleast if they were charged with neglect and it went to trial, further answers could come from that.

Exactly - that is what I was hoping for when I read the article over the weekend. But if the Portuguese prosecute them for neglect - and the McCann group would HAVE to speak in detail about that night as part of the defence - then it would complicate the Portuguese legal requirement regarding "no discussion" surrounding the abduction of Madeleine. (It feels like chicken and egg to me!)

The Portuguese law with regard to leaving children alone is stricter than our own UK law which is still embedded in an Act adopted in 1933.

In Portugal the Law for leaving children alone is very harsh
Penal code 138 below

The article #138 (Portuguese Penal Code) says that it’s a crime not to attend children, not providing the necessary “surveillance” regarding children. So, any action that puts a child (or children) at danger/risk, is a crime. This type of crime is punished from 1 year to 5 in Prison, or from 2 to 8 years in prison, if the action is done by parents.

This is not a common type of crime in Portugal, but one Court from Porto (a town in the North) has found a father guilty by leaving a 4 month child, for brief moments, on the street.

If the outcome of action brings the death to the child, the penalty goes from 3 to 10 years or from 2 to 8, if it brings significant physical damage to the victim.

 

[lizziedripping]

Exactly - that is what I was hoping for when I read the article over the weekend. But if the Portuguese prosecute them for neglect - and the McCann group would HAVE to speak in detail about that night as part of the defence - then it would complicate the Portuguese legal requirement regarding "no discussion" surrounding the abduction of Madeleine. (It feels like chicken and egg to me!)

The Portuguese law with regard to leaving children alone is stricter than our own UK law which is still embedded in an Act adopted in 1933.

In Portugal the Law for leaving children alone is very harsh
Penal code 138 below

The article #138 (Portuguese Penal Code) says that it’s a crime not to attend children, not providing the necessary “surveillance” regarding children. So, any action that puts a child (or children) at danger/risk, is a crime. This type of crime is punished from 1 year to 5 in Prison, or from 2 to 8 years in prison, if the action is done by parents.

This is not a common type of crime in Portugal, but one Court from Porto (a town in the North) has found a father guilty by leaving a 4 month child, for brief moments, on the street.

If the outcome of action brings the death to the child, the penalty goes from 3 to 10 years or from 2 to 8, if it brings significant physical damage to the victim.

Except in Gerry & Kate McCanns case.......

 

[Kizzbo]

I'm just so sick of this man. I can't stand him. I want so badly for Madeleine to be found, but I don't see how GM's actions will accomplish this.

The McCann supporters succeeded in wrecking the Leicester Children's Services petition by filling the site with and accusations. The UK Mirror suffered the same fate. News agencies and forums have been threatened with lawsuits, and Brian, who was trying to help them find Madeleine, is so afraid of being sued he's given up. Many forums won't even print negative press about the family. I thought that newspapers here in the US would be harder on the McCanns but I was mistaken.

Why can these parents do no wrong in the government's eyes? Anybody with a speck of brain knows that what happened to Madeleine on May 3 was a result of their neglect. But they just skate free and go on with their lives. Their daughter isn't even the focus of this campaign anymore. GM's fortune, fame and popularity is.

I have copied this from Mike's blog - for those of you who want to do something to bring about justice for Madeleine (apologies if I find it has already been posted - I am catching up with you all after a couple of days without internet connection!).

Kat said... Petition is now up on this link:

http://justiceformadeleine.blogspot.com/

Comments are moderated by yours truly. Legitimize our 'signature' using your full name and location, please.

'Signatures' will not show immediately. I hope to discourage disruption by noting that the comments will be moderated. In the event that is not discouraging enough I will moderate all signatures and/or comments.

The moderation process works as follows:

I am emailed with each new comment posted. I will then read and publish all legitimate signatures and will delete all efforts to disrupt.

Feel free to post this link where ever you like and to email to whomever you want.

Kat
Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:08:00 AM

 

[Kizzbo]

It was awful, Jdee. I signed the petition within the first couple of days it was posted, and my signature was within the first 200. Already it was littered with the most disgusting stuff.

I too signed the petition within the first 200 - it already looked like a forum debate in the comments column. The language was pretty choice. So the pro-McCann people were "signing it" to add a nasty comment. I think that is why it hasn't had the full impact it could have had.

"We the undersigned request that Leicestershire Social Services fulfil their statutory obligation to investigate the circumstances which led to 3 year old Madeleine McCann and her younger siblings being left unattended in an unlocked, ground floor hotel room.

We ask that they do this to reflect an evenhanded approach to the important issue of child protection.

We also wish to ensure that no parent will ever be able to evade responsibility for the safety and welfare of their children by citing the example of Mr and Mrs McCann, whose negligence is unreasonably being discounted in the tidal wave of sympathy brought about as a consequence of their media campaign".

It had a total of 13,820 signatures - but you now see that not all of them were "genuine signatories", it became a debating forum (hence it was wrecked!)

http://www.petitiononline.com/June2007/petition.html