Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 7

[Kizzbo]

Ok, when I dine in my "garden" its FAR less than 50 YARDS away from my house. And my yard is large for american standards, let alone english "garden" standards (very tiny yards in the UK). Additionally, when I dine in my garden, hundreds of strangers dont' have have access to my childs room without passing me. In fact, I can see the door to the house thats accessible from the street from the "garden".

So tell me another one, GM. This one stinks.

Thank goodness that someone is saying this again - loudly and clearly! I was beginning to think that I am paranoic about children's safety. I am not blessed with children myself but I am a firm favourite with my friends who have small children because I am more than happy to have them for sleep-overs if their parents come to dinner, or have a special event to attend themselves.

Yes - I have a small English garden, and I live in a very quiet and pretty exclusive area. However, when I sit in the garden - or even the "back room" in my house - I am conscious that my front door and hall leads directly to the stairs - and up to where the babes are sleeping. The front door is bolted, chained and locked. Anyone wanting access would have to come through to my garden and get past me! (Oh, the dog also protects the side drive so I don't think I will be seeing anyone in the garden after all!)

I just don't think that this level of risk-assessment and adult protection is more than children deserve.

 

[Kizzbo]

At the moment, it's the last news link on the bottom of the page, and it reads,

- No-One Above Suspicion In Case O ..
[SIZE=-1]Anorak.co.uk (satire), UK - 14 hours ago[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Ever since Madeleine McCann went missing the Anorak message boards and comment pages have been filled with thousands of readers saying they think the ...[/SIZE]

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Madeleine+McCann&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n


I just learned that the word "satire" has different meanings in different places. So one of our UK posters should tell us what that means exactly there.

I am happy to oblige - but apologies if this has already been done. (I am still catching up.)

Writings which are satirical - embedded with "satire" - work with an ironic (or sarcastic) undercurrent of mock-approval. Satirical writing or drama suggests that the writer approves the values that are the diametric opposite of what the satirist actually wishes to promote.

I can't actually make up my mind about "Anorak". Although it is listed as satire, it is actually difficult to judge the stance of the writer(s). Sometimes the writing is pro-McCann, other times it is anti-McCann.

 

[Jdee]

I can't find the link at the moment but Gerry did say (somewhere) that they have been advised NOT to put out too much detail about Madeleine as this could be used in extortion attempts. The PJ /British Police also want to keep the personal stuff out of the public forum so that they can "test" any leads which might appear to be real and accurate.

I thought the same as you at first - but when I read this statement I felt better about it. I wouldn't want anyone to start another wild-goose-chase by using information from a very public forum.

(The statement might have been in Gerry's blog because my recollection of what I read started with "some people have asked why we haven't given more personal details about Madeleine...... I can't check it out beacuse we can't get into "previous blog postings" now like we could in the early days!)

Kizzbo your right and I do recall this and I am pretty certain it was in G's blog. That does make sense that they would want to keep some of this informatiion away from the public eye.

 

[Kizzbo]

Right I have caught up with you all. Sorry that I have been chatting in here on my own for a bit (but it was nice to see lizziedripping pop in for a moment).

Shelly Beach - that was a great summary - thanks.

BethInAk - I am so sorry to hear that you lost your beloved pet. I know how difficult it is for you to have lost a member of your family. Take care - and I hope you find the strength to accept your very sad loss.

Bobbisangel - I cannot imagine how you must have felt when you heard the news about your daughter. To lose her in such terrible and tragic circumstances is beyond my comprehension. I lost a brother 9 months ago (he lived with me and just didn't come home one night). I couldn't find him when I went out looking - he didn't answer his mobile phone. I stayed awake all night hoping that there was a logical and happy explanation. The next morning the police came to tell me that they had found a body. I think I handled all the police questions well - I wanted to go to the top of the road to see him, check if it was him..... but was told I wouldn't be allowed through the SOC barriers. After the police had gone, I also walked from room to room trying to think about what to do next. Perhaps I still had some hope that "the body" wasn't my brother. I feel so sad for your loss. Thank you for sharing your story with us. I truly hope that you are learning the strategies to handle your grief - I know that you can never fully recover. Please accept my heartfelt good wishes for you and your family.

 

[Morag]

I can't find the link at the moment but Gerry did say (somewhere) that they have been advised NOT to put out too much detail about Madeleine as this could be used in extortion attempts. The PJ /British Police also want to keep the personal stuff out of the public forum so that they can "test" any leads which might appear to be real and accurate.

So, we are all to be on the lookout for a little girl, but we aren't to know what she actually might look like, short or tall, slim or plump, curly or straight, nothing except her name and her eye. I would risk being extorted rather than fail to let the helpful public know what they need to.

 

[colomom]

Ok, when I dine in my "garden" its FAR less than 50 YARDS away from my house. And my yard is large for american standards, let alone english "garden" standards (very tiny yards in the UK). Additionally, when I dine in my garden, hundreds of strangers dont' have have access to my childs room without passing me. In fact, I can see the door to the house thats accessible from the street from the "garden".

So tell me another one, GM. This one stinks.

View from the Tapas bar, McCann Apt. is furthest to the right, ground floor...

Access to the "unlocked" (allegedly) patio door....

Stinks? Ya think??

 

[colomom]

So, we are all to be on the lookout for a little girl, but we aren't to know what she actually might look like, short or tall, slim or plump, curly or straight, nothing except her name and her eye. I would risk being extorted rather than fail to let the helpful public know what they need to.

It is hard to find but this is the most detailed I have seen:
http://translate.google.com/transla...Policia+Judiciaria&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en
Click on Dissapeared People and then on Maddy's photo...

~Peace

 

[BethInAK]

Thank goodness that someone is saying this again - loudly and clearly! I was beginning to think that I am paranoic about children's safety. I am not blessed with children myself but I am a firm favourite with my friends who have small children because I am more than happy to have them for sleep-overs if their parents come to dinner, or have a special event to attend themselves.

Yes - I have a small English garden, and I live in a very quiet and pretty exclusive area. However, when I sit in the garden - or even the "back room" in my house - I am conscious that my front door and hall leads directly to the stairs - and up to where the babes are sleeping. The front door is bolted, chained and locked. Anyone wanting access would have to come through to my garden and get past me! (Oh, the dog also protects the side drive so I don't think I will be seeing anyone in the garden after all!)

I just don't think that this level of risk-assessment and adult protection is more than children deserve.

I'm also unable to get my head around that they were afraid to leave the children with a stranger (babysitter), so they left them ALONE. Yes, thats much safer than a babysitter.

 

[Elphaba]

I can't find the link at the moment but Gerry did say (somewhere) that they have been advised NOT to put out too much detail about Madeleine as this could be used in extortion attempts. The PJ /British Police also want to keep the personal stuff out of the public forum so that they can "test" any leads which might appear to be real and accurate.

I thought the same as you at first - but when I read this statement I felt better about it. I wouldn't want anyone to start another wild-goose-chase by using information from a very public forum.

(The statement might have been in Gerry's blog because my recollection of what I read started with "some people have asked why we haven't given more personal details about Madeleine...... I can't check it out beacuse we can't get into "previous blog postings" now like we could in the early days!)

Thank you for the information Kizzbo, it does answer that big question. For me, this is bothersome... searching for a child on her image, alone, is like searching for a needle in a haystack... the pro's of putting her basic personal details like her height and weight out there, far outweigh the con's. One can only go so far with an image... it would greatly help to know her height and weight... if she is your average 3 to 4 year old, or if she is petite... or even big for her age.

Honestly, I find it odd that they are holding back on such simple details. I have never followed a case where the missing child/person was in the public eye by their image, alone, because the family and police held back things like height and weight in the name of keeping extortionists and wild goose-chases at bay. I understand indepth details being held from the public eye, that's a given... but holding back basic info that you will find on almost every other missing person case out there, well, that's just odd.

Think how hard it would make it for missing person cases if the Doe Network took the McCann stance on what info not to share, and thus wiped out height, weight and brief details of the disappearances, from their profiles. It would be crazy... and it would make the fight to find the missing harder.

 

[Elphaba]

HAH!!! Look at this... Team McCann can say what they want about not sharing personal statistics about Maddie on their website, but uk.missingkids.com has her profiled and simple personal details have not been held back...

http://uk.missingkids.com/missingki...UK02&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_GB&searchLang=en_GB

 

[CaliKid]

How many of us have had a child disappear from our home? If we haven't then how do we know what we would do when we walked into the room and found our child gone? We might think we would know what we would do but I think shock would set in so fast that it would be impossible to think straight.

When I received a call telling me that my daughter had been shot by her ex husband I just went into shock. I kept running from the frontroom to the hallway trying to decide what I should do. I wanted to go to the town where she had been shot but I couldn't seem to make a clear decision. It wasn't anything like I would have thought it would be. I just couldn't think straight and I would imagine that is the way Kate Mc felt when she walked in and found her daughter missing.

Before it happened I probably would have said...well if that ever happened to one of my kids I would grab my car keys and run to my car and head for where ever as fast as I could get there to be with her. Not so. We don't know how we will react until tragedy strikes in our own family.

I am so sorry for your loss. I don't even know what I'd do if I lost one of my children, but I'm sure I wouldn't be acting in a sane fashion.

I remember about 9 years ago when my son, who was then 6, rode his bike out into the street in front of a school bus. We lived down a really long driveway, and he wasn't allowed to be out in the street. When we discovered what happened, I was absolutely panicked. The paramedics arrived to take him to the hospital, and we hopped in the car to follow. We were very lucky- all he received was some bumps and bruises and a cut lip.

I have to agree with colomom here. If all we had was KM running back to the restaurant without her twins and screaming that Madeleine was missing, it could be forgiven. But the parents have followed up every bad choice with another bad choice. As time goes by, their plans seem to be more about what's best for them, not what will bring Madeleine back. So who is looking out for her?

 

[CaliKid]

I can't find the link at the moment but Gerry did say (somewhere) that they have been advised NOT to put out too much detail about Madeleine as this could be used in extortion attempts. The PJ /British Police also want to keep the personal stuff out of the public forum so that they can "test" any leads which might appear to be real and accurate.

I thought the same as you at first - but when I read this statement I felt better about it. I wouldn't want anyone to start another wild-goose-chase by using information from a very public forum.

(The statement might have been in Gerry's blog because my recollection of what I read started with "some people have asked why we haven't given more personal details about Madeleine...... I can't check it out beacuse we can't get into "previous blog postings" now like we could in the early days!)

Welcome Kizzbo!

There is a difference between putting out information that will help people identify your daughter and information that makes you a target for extortion. I am not disagreeing with you, I'm disagreeing with the parents over what they put in the posters. Height, weight, hair color, etc. is all pertinent information and should've been included.

I also don't get the discrepancies in her pajama color. I've heard both white and pink, so which color were they?

 

[colomom]

I also don't get the discrepancies in her pajama color. I've heard both white and pink, so which color were they?

Hey Cali,

I remember reading somewhere, awhile back, that they have only showed/described some PJs that were similar to those she was wearing. Those pictured in that PJ link belonged to Amelie and they were not saying exactly what her's looked like. I guess for ID in the event of contact by a kidnapper or (god forbid) if they find a body...

Wish I had a link...sorry.

 

[CaliKid]

HAH!!! Look at this... Team McCann can say what they want about not sharing personal statistics about Maddie on their website, but uk.missingkids.com has her profiled and simple personal details have not been held back...

http://uk.missingkids.com/missingki...UK02&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_GB&searchLang=en_GB

Yeah, and I noticed that under weight it said unknown? Like they couldn't estimate? What kind of parents, especially doctors, don't have an estimate of their own child's weight?

 

[CaliKid]

Hey Cali,

I remember reading somewhere, awhile back, that they have only showed/described some PJs that were similar to those she was wearing. Those pictured in that PJ link belonged to Amelie and they were not saying exactly what her's looked like. I guess for ID in the event of contact by a kidnapper or (god forbid) if they find a body...

Wish I had a link...sorry.

Thanks for looking, colomom. I guess the pajama color isn't important unless, as you say, they find a scrap of material that matches it. If Madeleine is still alive (and I hope with all my heart she is) I seriously doubt she'd still be wearing the same pjs.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Hey Cali,

I remember reading somewhere, awhile back, that they have only showed/described some PJs that were similar to those she was wearing. Those pictured in that PJ link belonged to Amelie and they were not saying exactly what her's looked like. I guess for ID in the event of contact by a kidnapper or (god forbid) if they find a body...

Wish I had a link...sorry.

I recall that too, Amelie had the same one's, Maddy's would have been a bit bigger. They were cute, Kate held them up in an early press conference, pink I'm pretty sure, with a pic of Eyeore (from the Winnie the Pooh books). I hope I'm right, I'll look for a link later unless someone else finds it.

Does anyone know if it has been stated where in the apartment Madeleine's little cuddle cat was found? Was it for sure in the bed and when was it found? Did the police find it or whom did?

 

[petra]

So, we are all to be on the lookout for a little girl, but we aren't to know what she actually might look like, short or tall, slim or plump, curly or straight, nothing except her name and her eye. I would risk being extorted rather than fail to let the helpful public know what they need to.

Hi Morag-You can read all about her under the*About Madeleine* section frå her official website :silenced: :silenced:

The fund has updated the amount-circa 946k GBP or 1.9 million USD.
Also updated info under *The Fund*-look at newly revised wording under purpose of fund-the first section.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/about/

 

[CaliKid]

Hi Morag-You can read all about her under the*About Madeleine* section frå her official website :silenced: :silenced:

The fund has updated the amount-circa 946k GBP or 1.9 million USD.
Also updated info under *The Fund*-look at newly revised wording under purpose of fund-the first section.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/about/

Did you notice the url on the findmadeleine site that links to the article "Website Bans Comments on McCanns"?

Have you ever noticed that GM says little about Kate's side of the family? He talks all about his parents and siblings, but the only information we have about hers is, "Her other grandparents, Sue and Brian live in Liverpool." I know I've read that she has siblings too so why aren't they ever mentioned?

 

[Kizzbo]

Did you notice the url on the findmadeleine site that links to the article "Website Bans Comments on McCanns"?

Have you ever noticed that GM says little about Kate's side of the family? He talks all about his parents and siblings, but the only information we have about hers is, "Her other grandparents, Sue and Brian live in Liverpool." I know I've read that she has siblings too so why aren't they ever mentioned?

Kate is an only child - she has no siblings.

Gerry is one of five children.

Mrs Healy (Kate's mother) is the person the children refer to as "nanny". It is the name used for grandmother/grandma in the North West of England. It is sometimes shortened to "Nan" or "Nana". On Gerry's Friends Reunited page he says that "Kate's mother often flies over for the weekend when I am on call to help her look after the children".

However, I think that there is still a "nanny" - childminder - unaccounted for in this saga. (The nanny - childminder - who didn't go with them to PDL because she went back home to Canada instead because of family circumstances.) It is so hard to evidence stuff in this case as there are so many earlier articles that have been "pulled".

 

[mjak]

I'm also unable to get my head around that they were afraid to leave the children with a stranger (babysitter), so they left them ALONE. Yes, thats much safer than a babysitter.

This statement makes no sense because they left their children in the daycare center without hesitation. If you do not trust strangers then you do not leave your children in a daycare setting at a resort where you do not know the people who are looking after your chidren. Their own actions tell a different story then there words.

mjak