Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 8

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  • #361
Here is an interesting site I just stumbled upon:
http://tinyurl.com/2zgyr6

It is appears to be some sort of site that lists travel arrangements for people flying to Magaluf (a beach resort in Majorca) on April 9, 2007. Here is what caught my eye:

The Jet Setters!

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Samantha kim jones
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Sara Louise white
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Russell Obrien
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James Mape
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Nina Bailey
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Kayleigh Samon
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Damien-kallam-humpries
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Clair Carmel black

Who’s flying with whom!

Gatwick: Flight Number: TOM1967 – Depart: 08:00 – Arrive: 11:15

Sara Louise
Nina Bailey
Kayleigh Samon
Samantha kim jones


Manchester: Flight Number: WW3545 Departure Time: 07:20 Arrival Time: 11:05

Russell Obrien
James Mape

Manchester: Flight Number: TOM 2423 Departure Time: 07:05 Arrival Time: 10:45

Damien-kallam-humpries
Clair Carmel black


Who’s sharing with whom
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Room one: Kayleigh Samon - Clair Carmel black - Sara Louise white


Room two: Damien-kallam-humpries - James Mape - Russell Obrien


Room three: Nina Bailey - Samantha kim jones -
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The Russel Obrien name is the only one I recognize, and it may be someone totally unrelated to "THE" Russel O'Brien from the McCann case. It is interesting, however, that jet setting Russell OBrien flew out of Manchester. Does anyone recall, however, that some of the McCann party were supposed to have been in Portugal for a period of time before the McCann's arrived?

ETA: when I posted, this there were interesting, little gif's were there are now only links. Sorry....

I don't know if this is the Russell O'Brien, but the site is for job relocation.
 
  • #362
There are two articles in the Times about Kate McCann, both interviews saying almost the same thing.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2199226.ece
Madeleine, I'm So Sorry

1. “I feel desperately sorry that we weren’t there for her,” said Kate. “Every hour now I still question, ‘Why did I think that was safe?’”

2. 20 yards, checked on the kids every half-hour, discovered her missing at 9:00. More and more convenient manipulation of facts.

3. KM say she has found that other mothers understand her mistake.

“I’ve had so many letters from mothers, really kind words. People have said, ‘Kate, we’ve done this a hundred times over ourselves. Why would you for one minute think this would happen?"

Does anyone else think this is some lame kind of excuse-making to take the responsibility off her shoulders?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2188493.ece
Memories of a Lost Daughter

1. KM said about Madeleine: Even as a baby, she was quite determined and independent. But there is absolutely no possibility that she got up and walked out of the apartment!

2. When asked if it was wrong to leave the children, she didn't answer any of the questions directly. Same old same old.

3. About the Washington D.C. trip: His trip to the US was ok, it's funny what you manage to cope with. We knew it was a positive visit. It wasn't about Madeleine in particular. We've learnt a lot and become aware of the bigger issue. But at this stage of the investigation it should be about Madeleine! Because if it isn't, why are you doing it? She's only been gone 3 months, far too short to stop making it about her.
 
  • #363
I felt genuine remorse from Kate, I think she is very sorry to Madeleine but not to society. Also sounds like she has spoken to a lawyer on how to word answers to the questions of leaving the kid's. I don't think at this point they want to lose their careers and other children over it when they've already lost Maddie. I connect with Kate much, much more than Gerry.

I wonder if the two of them walked to dinner at the same time or one went a few moments ahead?
 
  • #364
Madeleine, I’m sorry I left you alone

As it approaches 100 days since her daughter’s abduction, Kate McCann tells Steven Swinford in her first solo interview of her sense of guilt and the pain when her infant twins ask: where’s Madeleine?


The mother of Madeleine McCann has apologised to her absent daughter, saying she is “desperately sorry” for leaving her alone on the night she was abducted.


Finally.
 
  • #365
"But when she returned at about 9pm she found Madeleine had gone. She immediately realised she had been abducted. "

Why, exactly?



“I never thought for one second that she’d walked out. I knew someone had been in the apartment because of the way it had been left. There wasn’t a shadow of a doubt in my mind she’d been taken.

I'd love to hear specifics about how the apartment was left that indicated an adult had taken Madeleine. I'm willing to consider that it really was evident, but I'd like to hear what the evidence was.

 
  • #366
We knew it was a positive visit. It wasn't about Madeleine in particular. We've learnt a lot and become aware of the bigger issue.

WHAT?...and exactly WHAT, to Mrs. McCann, is the issue that is so far bigger than Madeleine? One would think that Madeleine should be WELL above all other issues, with her parents.
 
  • #367
I would love to know what the LE are thinking right now, and what evidence they have that we dont know about yet, I think they are keeping things quiet until they have definite facts and evidence that will help them find Madelaine. Nothing I have heard or read up to now is telling me anything about Madelaines location, and I truly believe the LE know more than they are telling. It will all come out soon I hope.
Madelaine you sweet little dear, wherever you are, you have a lot of people who love you and pray for you every day.
 
  • #368
I read on another board that they found child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 on Murat's computer. Is this true? I can't find proof anywhere.
 
  • #369
Mr. E I read that VERY early on when they first confiscated his computer but once again... it was quickly hushed up. Probably because IF anything was found that was deemed 'deviant' the LE needs to keep it quite just in case he does prove to be guilty and it goes to court.
 
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  • #371

If you go down and read the comments to the report, the 6th says "The Portuguese reports claim a dead body was in the apartment for at least 2 hours!

This information might be speculation, or it might be something that hasn't been released in the news yet. If it is true, I doubt that anyone except the McCanns or a member of their party had something to do with Madeleine's death. An outsider killing her and leaving her body for two hours would be taking a lot of chances unless he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the parents would not check.
 
  • #372

Honestly...I am about done with the media. I have just heard that they have finished the search at Murat's house and they found....nothing.

Check this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6930000/newsid_6931700/6931785.stm?bw=bb&mp=rm&asb=1&news=1

They are saying that over in the UK the BBC reported (on TV, no link) that they have finished searching the house. They also say that RM's two cars will be taking to the PJ (wonder why?).
 
  • #373
Latest Update - Gerry's Blog/Diary
Day 93 - 04/08/2007
Another early start to the day as I dropped the crew who did some filming for the website and other forthcoming events. Kate and I did a short interview reviewing the last 3 months and the search for Madeleine. We spent the rest of the day with the kids and Kate’s family. We were all glad it clouded over in the afternoon to give us some respite from the intense heat.

The most recent searches by the police have attracted a lot of renewed media interest with satellite trucks arriving back in Praia da Luz. It is likely that some of the British Broadcasters will also come back out.

We werre all very tired and we managed to get off to bed at 10.30pm, which is very early for us by recent standards.
 
  • #374
And again, absolutely no message of love or hope to his daughter. Devoid of all emotion except how this affects him. I am so sick of this man!
 
  • #375
And again, absolutely no message of love or hope to his daughter. Devoid of all emotion except how this affects him. I am so sick of this man!

I agree...he is a major league arse and I would love to get in his face and tell him so. :loser: :furious:
 
  • #376
http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=252822&idselect=9&idCanal=9&p=200

This is the latest from a local Portuguese newspaper, the Correio da Manhã. It's in Portuguese and appears to be slightly slanted against the McCanns. I think this is the correct translation:

Traces:English dogs find trail
Madeleine possibly killed in the apartment

Justice centers its inquiries into the McCanns’ close circle of friends attempts to eliminate clues pointing at Robert Murat. The likelihood of an abduction appears to be remote after English dogs detected a trail that points to the existence of a corpse in the resort apartment.


Aug. 5, 2007

The Policia Judiciaria (PJ) believes that Madeleine may have been killed in the Algarve apartment while on vacation with her parents and siblings in May. On Wednesday, specially trained dogs from the English police, including a cocker spaniel brought in to track the scent of the missing child, detected traces that point to the presence of a corpse on those premises.

Yesterday, after searches of the beach, where the body is suspected to have been thrown into the water, authorities centered their attentions on the home of Robert Murat, the only suspect of the case.

The same dogs sniffed the entire garden of Casa Liliana again – which was cleaned and cleared of shrubbery by the Civil Protection workers – but they found nothing. They left the area around 8 p.m., having detected no residues of the girl’s presence.

The lead that is now being followed by authorities, which was revealed by ‘Sol’ yesterday and confirmed by CM, complements another piece of data that misled the PJ’s elements at the beginning of the investigation. A sniffer dog used by GNR tracked the child between the apartment where Madeleine was sleeping and another apartment within the same resort, which led elements from PJ to never dismiss the possibility that the girl was taken by someone who knew her.

The clue that was now detected in the McCanns’ apartment refocuses the investigation on the close circle to the girl’s parents and friends, although it sheds no light on the reasons that led to the child’s death. PJ is being especially careful in this phase, and the names of the main suspects are omitted.

MURAT COULD BE INNOCENT

The searches that were done yesterday at Robert Murat’s house may have contributed to render the suspect innocent. Nothing relevant was found at the house of the english translator, who was constituted an arguido at the beginning of the process. This is a possibility that meets the certainty of lawyer Francisco Pagarete, who reaffirmed his client’s innocence to CM yesterday. “We only let GNR stay on the premises so we can avoid the house to be devastated”, he assured, admitting that the diligence continues today and that the purpose of the militaries’ presence is to ensure that no clues are destroyed during the night.

CM could further discover that the investigation met a turnaround over the last few weeks. The arrival of the english dogs and their presence in the holiday apartment has the purpose to confirm that possibility, given the fact that suspicions are now centered on the McCanns’ close circle, the only persons who can explain the alleged death of the child, while still at home.

The kidnapping theory, according to a source with PJ that was contacted by CM, is being increasingly dismissed, as it would only fit a scenario where the child would have been alive. Yesterday’s searches, which were duly ordered by a court, started around 7.30 a.m.

CORPSE IN THE APARTMENT FOR OVER 2 HOURS

The body only smells like a corpse at least two hours after dead, “until that point it remains warm and transmits a living person’s smell to the dog”, subcomissaire Paulo Brissos, a former second commander of the PSP’s sniffer dog operation team, has guaranteed to CM.

This means that for the english authorities’ cocker spaniel to have marked the death of Madeleine within the apartment where she slept, at the ‘Ocean Club’, the girl had to be dead inside the apartment for “between 2 and 4 hours”.

Paulo Brissos, who was also a military dog trainer at the Air Force, explains that “Portugal does not have dogs that are capable to search for dead people because the chemical susbtance that is used for training, and which simulates a dead body’s odor, is very expensive”.

For example, in the tragdy of the bridge that collapsed at Entre-os-Rios, “we had foreign dogs brought in to search the corpses, not because they were of a different race, but because they were trained to do that”. And they work exclusively on the detection of decomposing bodies, while “in our country, dogs are trained to search, detect and rescue the living”.

“The difference does not reside in the races, and PSP also uses a cocker spaniel, but for drug searches”. And they do this in spite of the fact that labradors have better characteristics. The difference is a chemical product that is only affordable to foreign authorities.

SEARCHES CONTINUE TODAY

The PJ’s searches at Robert Murat’s house will continue all day today. Yet, because they have to finish after sunset, the investigators left the residence around 8 p.m., and will return in the early morning. During all day, the cleaning work at Casa Liliana’s surroundings was intensive. The gardeners from Civil Protection clered the entire surrounding area that was practically abandoned, which made the searches more difficult. Apart from cleaning the trees, some trails were made for the dogs to smell clues more easily, but that apparently did not happen.

THEORIES

Voluntary Exit

The first possibility the PJ considered was that the child could have left the apartment voluntarily, given the fact that the doors and one of the windows were open. The searches that were done after the disappearance eliminated that possibility.

Kidnapping For Sale

Another theory that was admitted by the investigators was that Madeleine might have been taken into a network for illegal adoption. Yet, the fact that there were 2 other children in the house (the twin siblings, who would have been a preferential target due to the fact that they were younger) always led PJ to consider it less probable.

Sexual Abuse

The possibility that Maddie was taken to satisfy the impulses of pedophiles was a strong possibility for a long time. This was the scenario that integrated the suspicions on Robert Murat and also the inquiry that the Russian, Sergei Malinka, was subject to.


BTW, the caption under the picture in the article shows the same man who was in that picture of Madeleine and her family at the park, proving that he knows RM. His name is Tuck Trice.
 
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1278615,00.html?f=rss

SNIPPET+++++++++++++

Madeleine Cops End Search Of House

Updated: 18:55, Sunday August 05, 2007
<H2>Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in Portugal have ended a two-day search at the home of the only official suspect in the case.



Around a dozen police officers, including two from Britain, have been searching land surrounding the villa of Robert Murat since Saturday.
A Portuguese police spokesman said: "Searches have ended."
He declined to comment on whether police were closer to finding Madeleine, who disappeared from her bed in the holiday resort while her parents dined nearby.


Murat remained in the house during the searches with his lawyer, which is just yards from where Madeleine was snatched more than three months ago.
 
  • #379
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6931725.stm SNIPPET+++++++++++++++++


Police returned to the house at 0700 (0600 GMT) to search inside the property and its grounds.
Mr Murat was present during most of the search and is said to be relaxed about the police investigation.
His spokesman, Tuck Price, said Mr Murat was doing his best to help the police with their inquiries.
Earlier, Mr Murat's uncle, Ralph Eveleigh, said his family welcomed the search.
Scanning equipment
"What we're hoping is it will actually clear Robert completely of this whole investigation.
"He's very, very pleased with what's happening because the English police seem to be calling the shots. They're in charge of the whole search of the house," Mr Eveleigh told the BBC.


BBC correspondent Steve Kingstone said police were using scanning equipment over the floorboards inside the premises in Praia da Luz.
As many as 10 officers - including two British detectives - spent 12 hours on Saturday searching Mr Murat's Algarve villa, which is owned by his mother.
Much of the day had been spent clearing thick vegetation, and a sniffer dog with a British handler inspected the premises. Mr Murat, who was declared
 
  • #380
Yup, they are going to finally clear Murat and then turn their sights on the McCanns & Friends....this is where the truth lies, IMO, and I think the truth is finally about to come out. :clap:

However, I think it is already too late for beautiful little Madeleine, especially from the latest information. :(
 
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