Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9

[colomom]

in Diario de Noticias today:

http://dn.sapo.pt/2007/08/13/sociedade/amigos_mc_cann_serao_inquiridos_dent.html

McCanns’ friends will be questioned within days

The PJ continues to close in on the McCanns’ friends, convinced that they hold the key to the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance on the night of May 3 in Praia da Luz, where the group was on holiday. But these people who until now have only been considered witnesses will be questioned at the Department of Criminal Investigation of the PJ when the results of the blood analyses are ready, which should be this week.

Expectations are running high, at a time when according to a survey done by the YouGov institute for the Sunday Times, published yesterday, over 70% of the British blame the McCanns for having left Madeleine alone in the bedroom during the night she disappeared. Of the two thousand people surveyed, “only 23 % think that they had bad luck in having their child abducted”.

Meanwhile, sources connected to the process admit that in the same place where the two blood stains were found, the dogs from England “detected the odour of a cadaver”. On the other hand, it is unlikely that Madeleines body could have been buried because whoever wanted to do so might not have had the adequate tools.

Furthermore, anybody who wanted to hide the body would not have buried it in that area because the sandy soil has little depth and the body would soon be uncovered. Therefore, the possibility that the body could have been thrown into the sea in a garbage bag with stones to weight it down so it remained at the bottom, is more likely.

Yet, considering that the body could get caught in a fishing net, it may be found, sooner or later. Another scenario could be the body was hidden in the middle of the grottoes, which the Maritime Police were working on three days after Madeleine dissappeared when the PJ were working on the abduction theory.

The investigators already have an idea what happened “in the beginning and at the end”, but they still dont know “how and why” Madeleine died. Accident or homicide, eventually as a result of an aggression, namely a slap? “Everything is possible”, a police source said. What is certain is that “this will not be a new Joana case”, the child that disappeared, three years ago, from Aldeia da Figueira, and who was considered killed by her mother and her uncle, although the body was never found.

 

[colomom]

in Sol this morning:

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=50174


Madeleine Case
Kate McCann prefers to discover her daughter’s death than stay in uncertainty

The mother of Madeleine McCann admits that she prefers to discover her dead daughter that to remain uncertain about what happened to her three months ago, when she disappeared in the Algarve

"This is the worst kind of limbo. In our heart of hearts we'd both rather know - even if that means we have to face the terrible truth that Madeleine might be dead”, Kate McCann says, in an interview to women’s magazine Woman’s Own.

The statements, which are cited in various newspapers today, are the first that Kate McCann admits that her daughter may be dead, after last week insisting that she expected to find Madeleine alive.

But Kate confesses that she cannot prepare “for bad news”.

“I simply don't know how”, she says.
The change of speech coincides with portuguese PJ clarifying that they are following a new line of investigation, which gained strength over the kidnapping theory.

 

[colomom]

today in Correio da Manha:

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=253810&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0

Madeleine McCann case
Testimony of siblings may help PJ

On the night that Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club apartment, her two twin siblings were sleeping in the same room. What babies Sean and Amelie, who were two years and three months old at the time, may have heard or seen that night may be very important in order to clarify what happened to Maddie.

Mario Cordeiro, a professor for Pediatrics at the Medical Sciences Faculty of Universidade Nova de Lisboa, tells CM it’s possible – even after more than 100 days – to understand what the children lived through that night.

“We don’t know whether the children woke up or not, but generally, when children this of this age are left alone, they enter a raised alert state, especially if they perceive that their parents are not nearby. Confronted with the presence of a stranger – which could be perceived through an unfamiliar scent or voice – they tend to react by crying”, the specialist explained to CM.

If Madeleine’s younger sister and brother watched a violent episode, they may block that memory automatically, in order to protect the brain from a traumatising incident. Yet, pediatrician Mario Cordeiro says, it’s possible to recover that memory. “If adequate techniques are used, which may include hypnosis or psychanalysis, it’s possible to lead children into verbalizing the experience they lived through. It’s a sensitive work, which requires extreme caution, but there are trained specialists in Portugal who can do it”.

The specialist underlines the trauma that the McCann twins are living at the moment. “In these ages, children live with great anxiety because they fear abandonment. To wake up at night and not to hear a response from an adult they know is dramatic for them – reason enough never to leave a child on her own”.

The twins are living through a difficult moment: “At 18 months, children realize they depend on adults for everything, and they are very scared of being abandoned. After their sister disappeared, the twins must be thinking when it will be time for them to be taken”.

A source with the investigation guarantees to CM that PJ never asked Maddie’s parents to hear the children.

Audition only ordered by Public Ministery

An eventual hearing of Sean and Amelie McCann by the investigators of case Madeleine can only happen with the authorization of a judicial authority – in this case the Public Ministery, who owns the investigation.

Professor Fernanda Palma, a specialist in Penal Law, explained to CM that because these are children – even more at such a young age – “would include a previous psychological evaluation” of the children, in order to establish “not only the importance and credibility of the testimony for the process, as also the damage that the inquirition could provoke on the two children”.

Parents furious at Judiciaria

The McCann couple was furious about the public admittance that was made by PJ’s spokesman, that their daughter may be dead. Olegario Sousa gave an interview to BBC because he received orders from his superiors to do so, as he admitted to a portuguese weekly newspaper.

The english press reports widely on the disturbance that the words from the PJ spokesman inflicted on the couple. The McCanns allege that nobody from PJ ever presented that possibility to them. To ‘Expresso’ online, Olegario Sousa does not comment their allegation, saying he was never present at the weekly meetings between the family and PJ. A source close to the family said the last one, on Wednesday, was “more formal”.

 

[colomom]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=475126&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Madeleine: British family deny 'ridiculous' links to disappearance

 

[colomom]

Help!

I don't know what to think about this article....it confuses me to no end...but, I wanted to share....thoughts?

http://translate.google.com/transla....phtml?id=687075&langpair=pt|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8


~snip~
The periodical disclosed despite the McCann couple took snack with Madeleine to 18h30 of the day of the disappearance of the girl, in a restaurant in the Beach of the Light.

The fact alone was known by the Portuguese Judiciary Policy because the owner of the restaurant convoked them to ask to them if the policy if would interest in revising the video made for the cameras of security of the establishment.

After seeing the images, the policemen had interrogated the parents of the girl, questioning the reason for which the parents had forgotten to mention this fact in its previous declaration.

The daily Portuguese affirmed despite the declarations of the friends of the parents of Madeleine, some couples that if found together in vacation, are full of “contradictions and omissions”.

~snip~

 

[CaliKid]

Help!

I don't know what to think about this article....it confuses me to no end...but, I wanted to share....thoughts?

http://translate.google.com/transla....phtml?id=687075&langpair=pt|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8


~snip~
The periodical disclosed despite the McCann couple took snack with Madeleine to 18h30 of the day of the disappearance of the girl, in a restaurant in the Beach of the Light.

The fact alone was known by the Portuguese Judiciary Policy because the owner of the restaurant convoked them to ask to them if the policy if would interest in revising the video made for the cameras of security of the establishment.

After seeing the images, the policemen had interrogated the parents of the girl, questioning the reason for which the parents had forgotten to mention this fact in its previous declaration.

The daily Portuguese affirmed despite the declarations of the friends of the parents of Madeleine, some couples that if found together in vacation, are full of “contradictions and omissions”.

~snip~

Was eating with Madeleine a difference in their routine from the rest of the week? Was there some kind of special occasion about that night that would've necessitated them taking her out? Why didn't they mention this to the PJ when they were questioned- was it simply an oversight or something that has to do with the case?

 

[CarpeDiem]

today in Correio da Manha:

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=253810&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0

Madeleine McCann case
Testimony of siblings may help PJ

Unfortunately, I think the twins are just too young and it's been way to long.

The McCann's have them convinced she's on a "trip". I wouldn't put much stock in anything they can say about the event NOW.

 

[BethInAK]

Unfortunately, I think the twins are just too young and it's been way to long.

The McCann's have them convinced she's on a "trip". I wouldn't put much stock in anything they can say about the event NOW.

My son is the same age as the twins and he makes up such amazing fantasies that if you'd believe him you'd think his daycare was a violent free for all with teachers BITING students (he's had a biting problem in the past so somehow this is appealiong), students hitting each other etc.

I dont' believe the testimony of the kids at this late date would be in any way helpful or believable.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It's exactly what I think a lot of people would say to the parents of a missing child, to distract them from thoughts of a brutal murder. It may not be everyone's idea of 'appropriate', but who can tell what thoughts would get you through the day?

Imagine any parents of a missing/killed child that we know of telling the media
"I bet (Jessica, Danielle, Samantha, etc) really gave the kidnapper a run for his money."

It's sick and demented....not the speech of a grieving parent.

 

[englishleigh]

Unfortunately, I think the twins are just too young and it's been way to long.

The McCann's have them convinced she's on a "trip". I wouldn't put much stock in anything they can say about the event NOW.

I agree...they've been told any number of stories by their parents and relatives by this time, both to shield them from the truth and possibly even shield the parents, if they had anything to do with this. I'm sure they are very confused by now as to what is actually what really happened, and if they saw anything at all that night, it is probably very mixed up and changed in their little heads.

 

[englishleigh]

Imagine any parents of a missing/killed child that we know of telling the media
"I bet (Jessica, Danielle, Samantha, etc) really gave the kidnapper a run for his money."

It's sick and demented....not the speech of a grieving parent.

Exactly. It's just a weird, emotionally detached thing to say, IMO, especially to the media.

 

[Brefie]

Imagine any parents of a missing/killed child that we know of telling the media
"I bet (Jessica, Danielle, Samantha, etc) really gave the kidnapper a run for his money."

It's sick and demented....not the speech of a grieving parent.

I absolutely respect your opinion, but I must disagree. :blowkiss:

 

[steph_the_sleuth]

I absolutely respect your opinion, but I must disagree. :blowkiss:

I agree with your disagreement.

I remember watching an interview on LKL of a mom in California whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered (I believe it was Samantha Runion <sp?>), and she mentioned how she beleived that her daughter fought like a tiger.

I don't find Mrs McCann's statement all that odd.

This case has me baffled. I'm not quite ready to blame the parents yet.

 

[sherri79]

I agree with your disagreement.

I remember watching an interview on LKL of a mom in California whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered (I believe it was Samantha Runion <sp?>), and she mentioned how she beleived that her daughter fought like a tiger.

I don't find Mrs McCann's statement all that odd.

This case has me baffled. I'm not quite ready to blame the parents yet.

as a mom it struck me wrong. if my child was missing i think i would be in fear of what some sicko was doing to them every second of every day. maybe the mom finds some comfort if she thinks of her child fighting. i wouldn't. i would fear the more they fight the more danger they are in at this point.
i don't let my kids out of my sight but i have always told them if some1 takes them fight like hell. my theory being that if they will kill the child for trying to escape they will kill the child anyway. i know if somehow my child was stolen i would spend every second in fear i told them the wrong thing. i guess that is part of what bothers me so much when i hear these parents speak. they never second guess themselves. what parent who has a child taken never looks back and thinks "oh god if only i had done this... "

 

[Morag]

There have been occasional rumors of a fifth couple, friends of the Tapas group, but not staying on the property.

Here they are:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=475126&in_page_id=1770&ct=5


Coincidentally the Gorrods are friends of Dr Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner - who are close friends of the McCanns - and met the O'Brien famly at the resort.

But this is how the story about the search for them has been presented in the press:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22229709-2,00.html

A MYSTERY British holidaymaker is the latest suspect in the disappearance of missing child Madeleine McCann.
As the vanished child's parents marked 100 days without their daughter at a quiet prayer service yesterday, Portugese police examined a hire car rented by the unidentified suspect.

The man is believed to have flown to Portugal the same day as the McCann family arrived on holiday on April 28. ...
He is understood to have helped in searches for Maddie after she disappeared on May 3, before returning the car and flying home on May 6.
...It is not clear if the man police are seeking was known to the McCanns, though police have said he was not one of the seven friends dining at the tapas bar on the night she was taken.

Once again (altogether now), This makes no sense. It sounds as though the couple's identity was a total mystery, and that they were difficult to find. But surely some of the Tapas group were quizzed as to whether they knew other people in the area... It's hard to believe that Russell O'Brien would totally have forgotten these people. I am beginning to think that the pact of silence has broken down, that at least one of the couples is telling everything they know, and that is why some of the information that Sol and Noticias is reporting is just now coming out. It's new information about the timeline and the other couple and the blood, all within the last week. However, I can certainly imagine that the new couple wanted their names kept out of things, but I certainly can't imagine that anyone would withhold information in a case that is being called a kidnaping. Why were they so difficult to locate- their names must have been on the car rental forms, and if they are 8 1/2 months pregnant, they have probably been at home since returning from Portugal.

 

[BethInAK]

as a mom it struck me wrong. if my child was missing i think i would be in fear of what some sicko was doing to them every second of every day. maybe the mom finds some comfort if she thinks of her child fighting. i wouldn't. i would fear the more they fight the more danger they are in at this point.
i don't let my kids out of my sight but i have always told them if some1 takes them fight like hell. my theory being that if they will kill the child for trying to escape they will kill the child anyway. i know if somehow my child was stolen i would spend every second in fear i told them the wrong thing. i guess that is part of what bothers me so much when i hear these parents speak. they never second guess themselves. what parent who has a child taken never looks back and thinks "oh god if only i had done this... "

Thats exactly what it is - taking comfort in their childs ability to potentially defend themselves and in a way, trying to remember the good in their kid. I understand this. I can see myself saying it, even though my child would obviously be defenseless against an adult.

 

[CarpeDiem]

I agree with your disagreement.

I remember watching an interview on LKL of a mom in California whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered (I believe it was Samantha Runion <sp?>), and she mentioned how she beleived that her daughter fought like a tiger.

I don't find Mrs McCann's statement all that odd.

Samantha Runnion did fight like a tiger, he picked her up screaming and crying, she was only five and was screaming for her little friend to tell her Grandma. That little girl did everything right and it didn't help. She was no match for the sicko murderer.

This time, I don't find Kate's statement odd either. I've heard it said so many times by family members of missing people.

 

[Jdee]

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It's exactly what I think a lot of people would say to the parents of a missing child, to distract them from thoughts of a brutal murder. It may not be everyone's idea of 'appropriate', but who can tell what thoughts would get you through the day?

My point was that Kate was 'joking' about it. To me it is not a joking matter and I find that not appropiate.

 

[twinkiesmom]

<<I agree with your disagreement.

I remember watching an interview on LKL of a mom in California whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered (I believe it was Samantha Runion <sp?>), and she mentioned how she beleived that her daughter fought like a tiger.

I don't find Mrs McCann's statement all that odd.

This case has me baffled. I'm not quite ready to blame the parents yet.>>

But the difference here is Samantha's mom was praising her daughter for fighting against the abductor, not deriding her lost/dead child for having a difficult temperament.

That's what I'm talking about...the small derisive comments about her daughter....I sense that Kate's subconscious thoughts about her daughter betray anger more than anything else.

 

[Seeker]

I agree with your disagreement.

I remember watching an interview on LKL of a mom in California whose daughter was kidnapped and murdered (I believe it was Samantha Runion <sp?>), and she mentioned how she beleived that her daughter fought like a tiger.

I don't find Mrs McCann's statement all that odd.

This case has me baffled. I'm not quite ready to blame the parents yet.

Believing your child would have fought is a lot different than knowing it based on the evidence.

Erin knew Samantha had fought. Her attackers skin was found under her nails and when he was arrested they found where she scratched him. Alejandro Avila was arrested very shortly after he comitted his crime, and he is now being punished for it.

I'm sure that Mrs McCann wants to believe that her baby fought whoever took her too.