Madeleine McCann found?

[brit1981]

New video today. Whatever one may think about the case, MM's Mother is going to help many others with missing loved ones.

Kate McCann - This Morning - Video Dailymotion

I think its great that kate has been able to get so much attention drawn to missing children. Of course the usual suspects have started slagging off missing people now, claiming it is an organistation that is only interested in money, and forces children back into abusive situations. On facebook, a mother of a missing child supported Kate, and was ripped to pieces.

 

[saggymoon]

I think its great that kate has been able to get so much attention drawn to missing children. Of course the usual suspects have started slagging off missing people now, claiming it is an organistation that is only interested in money, and forces children back into abusive situations. On facebook, a mother of a missing child supported Kate, and was ripped to pieces.

The consensus from the general public was that her appointment was a bad move seeing as her reputation is of a parent who left three babies alone night after night to go out which resulted in one of them vanishing. there were no usual suspects.

 

[brit1981]

I have not seen that. I have only seen the usual butler and bennett types raging against her appointment. The general public support the mccanns, it is only a minority of people who are so vile about them. And in the UK this minority are not taken seriously by anyone, but themselves - look at bennett!

 

[saggymoon]

I have not seen that. I have only seen the usual butler and bennett types raging against her appointment. The general public support the mccanns, it is only a minority of people who are so vile about them. And in the UK this minority are not taken seriously by anyone, but themselves - look at bennett!

I followed the posts from the beginning. there were a handful of posts from a certain forum but the vast majority were from ordinary supporters of the charity. they have all been deleted but have been screen shotted and saved.

 

[dotr]

Marketing brilliance imo, KM is highly recognizable not only because her own child is missing,( by whomever and for whatever reason) but, KM is well- connected, educated and easy on the eyes. This could help everyone, especially at a time when the potential for human trafikking is greatest.jmo.

http://prexamples.com/2012/07/missi...assador-to-launch-digital-billboard-campaign/
"This summer is going to be one of the busiest in British history, so is the perfect time for outdoor media space owners to pull together like this and launch such a large scale digital campaign. The billboards will feature photos of the missing people, mainly children, their descriptions, and that all important phone number ’116 000′, which was launched earlier this year. (We covered the launch here).

Using ‘OpenLoop’ technology, staff and volunteers will be able to instantly update the billboards to display information about the latest high risk missing persons"

 

[brit1981]

I think it is a really good idea, but I think it shoudl be EU wide. European countries do not really have amber alerts (a few do, but they are country specific.). It is so easy to cross a border. Even in the UK, it is easy to hide a child in a car if you use a ferry or the tunnel.
We need to do a more american amber alert style campaign when children go missing. If you could have details flash up on the radio (like the traffic alerts), or on electronic signs on the roads, it would be easier to track down people quickly.

 

[saggymoon]

yes its great this number has been rolled out in the uk at last, its been in use in several eu countries for many many years and not a mccann initiative as reported back in 2008 and further.

The new billboard system of advertising missing people launched the other day is not the same as an amber alert though. And as regards the mccann case it would not have qualified for an amber alert as no one saw any abduction, there were no car descriptions or number plates and it is unknown at what time the alledged abduction happened.

 

[dotr]

Perhaps it is time for both an Amber Alert and A Missing Persons billboard, to cover all the possibilities. I cannot say that I followed the MM case too closely and generally do not care for any particular politics or religion , other than trying to have a "live and let live" philosophy. .Hopefully others will learn from MM and be ever vigilant of our children.

 

[saggymoon]

Perhaps it is time for both an Amber Alert and A Missing Persons billboard, to cover all the possibilities. I cannot say that I followed the MM case too closely and generally do not care for any particular politics or religion , other than trying to have a "live and let live" philosophy. It does not escape me that many women like to tell other women how to raise children, or that sometimes the so-called experts are lousy Mothers, having become accustomed to others doing "the dirty work" of it all. No one is perfect and everyone can be selfish and thoughtless at times.Having said that,here is a woman,( and husband!) who obviously made a terrible choice of leaving children alone and who is paying the price for it.Now who better than one who made a mistake, to make a public "correction"?

If that is what you think it is, then fair dos to you. to me its a little bit more complicated than that.
And I am not sure what you mean by *correction*.

the mccanns have never said what they did was wrong. They have only ever said they regret not being there at the moment she was taken, what kind of sense does that make? they just endorse leaving babies on their own out of ear and eyeshot in an unlocked publically accessible flat with a balcony the kids could fall over, and say thats ok. And that in the space of three weeks since she vanished they actually received thousands and thousands of letters telling them that others have done the same or would have done the same. pinocchio time for me.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=GshQL5BNp5M

Early on in this interview

Anyway must dash hogging the board.

 

[dotr]

If that is what you think it is, then fair dos to you. to me its a little bit more complicated than that.
And I am not sure what you mean by *correction*.

the mccanns have never said what they did was wrong. They have only ever said they regret not being there at the moment she was taken, what kind of sense does that make? they just endorse leaving babies on their own out of ear and eyeshot in an unlocked publically accessible flat with a balcony the kids could fall over, and say thats ok. And that in the space of three weeks since she vanished they actually received thousands and thousands of letters telling them that others have done the same or would have done the same. pinocchio time for me.
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=GshQL5BNp5M

Early on in this interview

Anyway must dash hogging the board.

Correction was the wrong word, so I corrected it,lol!

 

[Sabot]

I have not seen that. I have only seen the usual butler and bennett types raging against her appointment. The general public support the mccanns, it is only a minority of people who are so vile about them. And in the UK this minority are not taken seriously by anyone, but themselves - look at bennett!

There was no general public opinion abusing Kate McCann or The Charity. It was just the same old same old saying the same old same old. We know who they are because we've seen it all before. I can even write their script for them these days.
And you are right. No one takes them seriously anymore.

 

[saggymoon]

There was no general public opinion abusing Kate McCann or The Charity. It was just the same old same old saying the same old same old. We know who they are because we've seen it all before. I can even write their script for them these days.
And you are right. No one takes them seriously anymore.

Unless you know the facebook real names compared to forum
pseudo names you are in absolutely no position whatsoever at all to declare that the general public and supporters of missing people were not posting those posts of dissaproval, none whatsoever, stroll on dear

 

[BritsKate]

There was no general public opinion abusing Kate McCann or The Charity. It was just the same old same old saying the same old same old. We know who they are because we've seen it all before. I can even write their script for them these days.
And you are right. No one takes them seriously anymore.

It's my understanding that anyone disagreeing with the appointment of McCann had their comment deleted. http://www.scribd.com/doc/99867333/Missing-People-Facebook-Deletions

Personally I believe it was a bad move on Missing People's part for a multitude of factors.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I have not seen that. I have only seen the usual butler and bennett types raging against her appointment. The general public support the mccanns, it is only a minority of people who are so vile about them. And in the UK this minority are not taken seriously by anyone, but themselves - look at bennett!

This is not true.

The media and the British Government support the McCanns, but Joe Bloggs in the street does not.

The reason? Because the McCanns were wealthy doctors, on a wonderful holiday, and they neglected their children.

People can not get past that fact. The McCanns have vocal support, and the best PR money can buy, but despite this the majority of the public DOES NOT support them.

All you need to do is read the comment section of any McCann article on major news site, and you will see overwhelmingly that even those who give credance to the abduction theory are very unsupportive of the McCanns themselves.

They are still perceived as careless, neglectful parents, and always will be, because it is fact. They were careless, and they did neglect their children.

 

[BritsKate]

This is not true.

The media and the British Government support the McCanns, but Joe Bloggs in the street does not.

The reason? Because the McCanns were wealthy doctors, on a wonderful holiday, and they neglected their children.

People can not get past that fact. The McCanns have vocal support, and the best PR money can buy, but despite this the majority of the public DOES NOT support them.

All you need to do is read the comment section of any McCann article on major news site, and you will see overwhelmingly that even those who give credance to the abduction theory are very unsupportive of the McCanns themselves.

They are still perceived as careless, neglectful parents, and always will be, because it is fact. They were careless, and they did neglect their children.

RBBM

That's been my experience. The majority of other parents I've personally spoken to about this case feel the McCann's are guilty of neglect if nothing else. FWIW

 

[dotr]

No matter what people may think of the family, I hope that MM is found alive and failing that, at the very least, have her body recovered. If great effort is put into finding MM, then perhaps once and for all the -truth, for better or worse will be known. In the meantime,any info uncovered may help others with missing/abducted or murdered family, especially in foreign countries.

 

[saggymoon]

No matter what people may think of the family, I hope that MM is found alive and failing that, at the very least, have her body recovered. If great effort is put into finding MM, then perhaps once and for all the -truth, for better or worse will be known. In the meantime,any info uncovered may help others with missing/abducted or murdered family, especially in foreign countries.

Where is this great effort supposed to come from and in what form that hasnt already been tried? to date and for five years we have had

A massive portuguese investigation costing millions of euros and untold mantime which resulted in the police declaring they think there was a death and simulation of an abduction, something the final judges report did not say was untrue, the case was shelved with the point being made the type of crime is unknown and that no evidence was had on the suspects so they had to lift their arguido status pending further info
A quarter of a million pounds spentby the UK police whilst working alongside the portuguese in 2007/2008
Alledgedly millions given by the mccanns fund to private investigators
The biggest media exposure ever in any missing child case
hundreds of tv shows and documentaries made
private individuals who helped from the first day until now
Millions in reward money
poster campaigns and other such stuff
A facebook page with thousands of followers
A book written by the mother hoping to elicit someones memory or conscience
A 3.5 million budget by scotland yard from spring 2011 to review the evidence
Dozens of people touted as *suspects* and not one proved to be in any way involved
And the result is nada, zilch, nothing
What does not add up here? Apart from this alledged abductor being cleverer than the scarlwt pimpernel?
so which effort would you like to see dotr?
I would send in another batch of cadaver dogs

 

[dotr]

The effort to overlook personal opinion for the greater good.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...um-becomes-ambassador-for-missing-people.html
She said: “Having these billboards on show could prick the conscience of people who know where that person is or what has happened.


“I’ve been told by experts that you need to keep ‘pricking’ the conscience of that someone who knows.


“Keep prodding until finally that person thinks, ‘I’ve had enough’ and comes forward with information about where the missing person is.”


In her new role, Kate, from Rothley, Leics, will be speaking at events, lobbying Parliament for better funding of the charity and supporting families whose loved ones have disappeared.


She also hopes the campaign will raise public awareness of the whole issue of missing people.


She said: “It was recently revealed that in the UK a child goes missing every three minutes. That is frankly terrifying.”
"

 

[brit1981]

I think sadly it will be chance that finds Madeleine, especially if she has been killed. There is only so much the police can do, they cannot search the home and garden of each and every person in PDL, let alone those within driving distance. And that is assuming she is either being held alive, or buried, locally. If she was taken a distance away, or dropped into the sea it is bordering on the impossible to find her. Look at Peter Tobin, if he had not killed for a third time, and this time someone he knew, he would never have been caught, and his two other victims would have just lain in his old garden until someone decided to do work there. That is despite the fact he was nown to have drugged and raped two teenage girls, and lived in Bathgate where his victim disappeared (and five hundred miles from where he buried her).

But there is always hope, and not looking will certainly not find her.

I have lined to an article on the thread for Martin Allen, in the 1970s missing forum. In this article a policeman describe show there were departments of the police that dealt with missing art etc, but not one dedicated to missing children!

 

[Cappuccino]

Where is this great effort supposed to come from and in what form that hasnt already been tried? to date and for five years we have had

A massive portuguese investigation costing millions of euros and untold mantime which resulted in the police declaring they think there was a death and simulation of an abduction, something the final judges report did not say was untrue, the case was shelved with the point being made the type of crime is unknown and that no evidence was had on the suspects so they had to lift their arguido status pending further info
A quarter of a million pounds spentby the UK police whilst working alongside the portuguese in 2007/2008
Alledgedly millions given by the mccanns fund to private investigators
The biggest media exposure ever in any missing child case
hundreds of tv shows and documentaries made
private individuals who helped from the first day until now
Millions in reward money
poster campaigns and other such stuff
A facebook page with thousands of followers
A book written by the mother hoping to elicit someones memory or conscience
A 3.5 million budget by scotland yard from spring 2011 to review the evidence
Dozens of people touted as *suspects* and not one proved to be in any way involved
And the result is nada, zilch, nothing
What does not add up here? Apart from this alledged abductor being cleverer than the scarlwt pimpernel?
so which effort would you like to see dotr?
I would send in another batch of cadaver dogs

You obviously think Madeleine's parents did something to her. Let's say you're right. What did they do with her? Are they also "cleverer than the Scarlet Pimpernel"?