Madeleine McCann found?

[SapphireSteel]

I hope a child of mine never goes missing - there are people on here who would convict and euthanize me in a heart beat without any evidence one way or another.
I guess I have sympathy for the McCann's - mostly because their daughter is missing, partly because they were ignorant enough to leave Maddie alone so they could selfishly eat out instead of having room service, and because they have had to concentrate their efforts on proving their innocence rather than looking for Maddie. My point here is that there are no rules for how people behave. There are perceptions on how we should behave, but no hard and fast rules on how we all do behave.


I wonder what I would have done in their situation. First off, the situation wouldn't have occurred because I would never leave my children alone in a foreign hotel room - or ANY hotel room, or even my own home. But they did - and apparently this didn't seem out of the ordinary behavior to them. But, if I found my child missing, I THINK I would probably run around erratically looking in the most ridiculous places, not knowing what to do or who to call. I don't think most of us remain calm in these situations. So I don't feel I can be critical in the McCann case. (Casey Anthony was a totally different situation - 31 days is a tad bit on the excessive side and I thought she was guilty because of that from day 1. ....or is that day 32?...)

My point is - they may be guilty of a misguided sense of safety, or poor judgment, but there is no evidence that they harmed their child. So people on here who have railed at those proclaiming the McCann's innocence need to realize they are doing the same thing, but they are doing it from the perspective that the McCann's are guilty. And none of us know what happened, and may, unfortunately, never know. But I want to believe Maddie is okay and living happily with a couple who were so desperate to have children that they would stop at nothing to obtain a child, rather than that she is dead, or was kidnapped to satisfy some SO's sexual fantasies.

JMO

The McCanns had ample sympathy, in the early days. About $50 million worth of sympathy, (figure is a matter of debate).

The McCanns were both doctors. Leaving babies alone in a strange unlocked room is not "ignorant" it is blatant neglect.

Saying "there is no evidence they are guilty" is completely false and shows how successfully the McCann has managed to cloud and sway public opinon (innocent parents don't give a rats about public opinion).

We have eye-witnesses, the cadaver dogs, the lies, the profit making business for Madeleine's "funds", which was pretty much set up within days of her vanishing.

Hinky behaviour, lots and lots of lies, anyone reading Kate's book vs the PJ report will see the lies and butt covering.

If these two had've disappeared into grief like most parents, of course it would be horrific to vilify them.

Trouble is, they've persisted in the public eye, with their PR, repeated requests for mo' money, their false allegations against the Chief Investigating Officer...on and on.

It stinks. :sick:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The McCanns had ample sympathy, in the early days. About $50 million worth of sympathy, (figure is a matter of debate).

The McCanns were both doctors. Leaving babies alone in a strange unlocked room is not "ignorant" it is blatant neglect.

Saying "there is no evidence they are guilty" is completely false and shows how successfully the McCann has managed to cloud and sway public opinon (innocent parents don't give a rats about public opinion).

We have eye-witnesses, the cadaver dogs, the lies, the profit making business for Madeleine's "funds", which was pretty much set up within days of her vanishing.

Hinky behaviour, lots and lots of lies, anyone reading Kate's book vs the PJ report will see the lies and butt covering.

If these two had've disappeared into grief like most parents, of course it would be horrific to vilify them.

Trouble is, they've persisted in the public eye, with their PR, repeated requests for mo' money, their false allegations against the Chief Investigating Officer...on and on.

It stinks. :sick:

Yeah that does not say guilt that says you don't like them.

I don't know if I like them. I would not have left my children out of my sight at such a young age even to sleep. Maybe if I had a baby monitor that I could hear and see the door and was no more that 40 feet away? Maybe.. I am trying to figure out how far I walked out of the house when my kids were napping or sleeping. I have crossed the street to speak to the neighbor, I have sat on the porch and had coffee, But I have not been anywhere I can not see the front door of my home.

But I don't see anything nefarious in their behavior. Just not something I would feel comfortable with. I don't see anyway, They hurt and bury Madeleine anywhere and no one sees it. I don't see anyway if she was still on that island in a grave they find her. I don't find anything that proves they did anything to her.

Just a lot of people that don't like them.

I can not and will not persecute parents if there is no proof. And there is none here. It makes no sense. People don't take their children on Vacation to kill them.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yeah that does not say guilt that says you don't like them.

I don't know if I like them. I would not have left my children out of my sight at such a young age even to sleep. Maybe if I had a baby monitor that I could hear and see the door and was no more that 40 feet away? Maybe.. I am trying to figure out how far I walked out of the house when my kids were napping or sleeping. I have crossed the street to speak to the neighbor, I have sat on the porch and had coffee, But I have not been anywhere I can not see the front door of my home.

But I don't see anything nefarious in their behavior. Just not something I would feel comfortable with. I don't see anyway, They hurt and bury Madeleine anywhere and no one sees it. I don't see anyway if she was still on that island in a grave they find her. I don't find anything that proves they did anything to her.

Just a lot of people that don't like them.

I can not and will not persecute parents if there is no proof. And there is none here. It makes no sense. People don't take their children on Vacation to kill them.

Please stop saying "there isn't any evidence" - there is, acres of it, which is why the PJ named the McCann as arguidos in the first place.

Also, no one has theorised (yet) that Madeleine was taken "on Vacation to kill them", it is thought that Madeleine died accidentally due to the neglect that is beyond question.

:cow:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What neglect? having her stay in the room sleeping while they ate and someone went up to check on them and all the parents were doing this?

Again not a practice I would employ but that is not a cause of death nor is their any proof that Madeleine is even dead so I don't know how there can be any evidence of her parents being guilty without proof of a death.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Where is the body? They go on vacation with their kids, They put them to bed and then she is missing. Not dead but missing. Where did they hide her? When did they have the time to hide their daughter or better yet, murder her and then hide the body.

There is no body that says she is dead. Nothing says she is dead. She is missing. And if she is missing where do you think they stashed her?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Where is the body? They go on vacation with their kids, They put them to bed and then she is missing. Not dead but missing. Where did they hide her? When did they have the time to hide their daughter or better yet, murder her and then hide the body.

There is no body that says she is dead. Nothing says she is dead. She is missing. And if she is missing where do you think they stashed her?

Madeleine is in the sea.

She will never be found. The fishes ate her.

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[who knew?]

The McCanns had ample sympathy, in the early days. About $50 million worth of sympathy, (figure is a matter of debate).

The McCanns were both doctors. Leaving babies alone in a strange unlocked room is not "ignorant" it is blatant neglect.

Saying "there is no evidence they are guilty" is completely false and shows how successfully the McCann has managed to cloud and sway public opinon (innocent parents don't give a rats about public opinion).

We have eye-witnesses, the cadaver dogs, the lies, the profit making business for Madeleine's "funds", which was pretty much set up within days of her vanishing.

Hinky behaviour, lots and lots of lies, anyone reading Kate's book vs the PJ report will see the lies and butt covering.

If these two had've disappeared into grief like most parents, of course it would be horrific to vilify them.

Trouble is, they've persisted in the public eye, with their PR, repeated requests for mo' money, their false allegations against the Chief Investigating Officer...on and on.

It stinks. :sick:

Possibly you should end this "IMO". Your opinion sounds to me like prejudice.

We don't have to like them. Probably most of us don't. But that doesn't make them murderers. And they do have to live with this error in judgment.
My guess is that we've all done something we wish we hadn't - after all, hindsight is 20/20. IMO we just need to give the McCann's the benefit of the doubt until we are shown otherwise. I just don't see any proof.
JMO

 

[roseofsharon]

The McCanns had ample sympathy, in the early days. About $50 million worth of sympathy, (figure is a matter of debate).

The McCanns were both doctors. Leaving babies alone in a strange unlocked room is not "ignorant" it is blatant neglect.

Saying "there is no evidence they are guilty" is completely false and shows how successfully the McCann has managed to cloud and sway public opinon (innocent parents don't give a rats about public opinion).

We have eye-witnesses, the cadaver dogs, the lies, the profit making business for Madeleine's "funds", which was pretty much set up within days of her vanishing.

Hinky behaviour, lots and lots of lies, anyone reading Kate's book vs the PJ report will see the lies and butt covering.

If these two had've disappeared into grief like most parents, of course it would be horrific to vilify them.

Trouble is, they've persisted in the public eye, with their PR, repeated requests for mo' money, their false allegations against the Chief Investigating Officer...on and on.

It stinks. :sick:

IIRC, left three babies alone and the door UNLOCKED!:stormingmad:
OMG, what were they thinking!!! :banghead:

IMO

 

[Cappuccino]

Yeah, what were they thinking is right. But. But. What were April Jones' parents thinking when they allowed their five year old to be playing out after dark by a derelict warehouse about 500 yards and well out of sight from their house? What were Tia Sharpe's parents thinking when they allowed that deviant into their lives and two of them had sexual relations with him? More controversially, what was James Bulger's mother thinking when she left her two year old standing unattended at the entrance of the butcher's shop in a crowded shopping mall?

None of the above parent/grandparents are to blame for the deaths of the children IMO. The blame belongs to the murderer. And I see no exception for the McCanns. What were they thinking should not equal they must be guilty.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yeah, what were they thinking is right. But. But. What were April Jones' parents thinking when they allowed their five year old to be playing out after dark by a derelict warehouse about 500 yards and well out of sight from their house? What were Tia Sharpe's parents thinking when they allowed that deviant into their lives and two of them had sexual relations with him? More controversially, what was James Bulger's mother thinking when she left her two year old standing unattended at the entrance of the butcher's shop in a crowded shopping mall?

None of the above parent/grandparents are to blame for the deaths of the children IMO. The blame belongs to the murderer. And I see no exception for the McCanns. What were they thinking should not equal they must be guilty.

The McCanns weren't made POI based on thoughts.

They were made POI based on evidence.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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[Cherry]

The McCanns weren't made POI based on thoughts.

They were made POI based on evidence.

And no answer thrty questions when PDL interrogates thm when they arrived their backpacks were full. Look no further than the statements made By her parents that night as well as the car boot and hotel rm. the area at the rocks was frequented by this couple for several photo ops and GM was seen w a suitcase- he also flew hm to the uk in the middle of the first few weeks, ppl wonder still what was in his baggage..,,

 

[Cappuccino]

The McCanns weren't made POI based on thoughts.

They were made POI based on evidence.

They are no longer POI's in this case, as has been pointed out here many times. And they weren't downgraded for some legal technicality either, they were dropped from that status because a Portuguese judge examined the case and said there wasn't the evidence to support the status of POI in the case of Madeleine's parents. I will trust that a Portuguese judge knows the laws of Portugal, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

If you think that judge's decision was wrong, what evidence do you have against the McCanns? And I do mean EVIDENCE, not presumptive tests, not charges that their child care arrangements were negligent, not insinuations based on how you imagine an innocent person would behave in a situation you have no direct experience of yourself.

Evidence that they killed their daughter - where is it?

 

[Salem]

STOP personalizing posts. Stop bickering. If you don't want to talk to each other, than don't. But stop creating chaos in this thread.

Salem

 

[Linda7NJ]

they are no longer poi's in this case, as has been pointed out here many times. And they weren't downgraded for some legal technicality either, they were dropped from that status because a portuguese judge examined the case and said there wasn't the evidence to support the status of poi in the case of madeleine's parents. I will trust that a portuguese judge knows the laws of portugal, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

If you think that judge's decision was wrong, what evidence do you have against the mccanns? And i do mean evidence, not presumptive tests, not charges that their child care arrangements were negligent, not insinuations based on how you imagine an innocent person would behave in a situation you have no direct experience of yourself.

Evidence that they killed their daughter - where is it?

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccan...ne-mccann-have-her-parents-been_9354.html?m=1

From the link I posted above.

IMO they were "cleared" much the same ridiculous way the Ramsey's were.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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[AngelWings444]

Most parents, who kill their children, do not keep their faces in the news everyday. Take a look at most child-murder cases, you can't get those parents to get on TV or to be continually interviewed. They usually run and hide. This is one thing that has always been odd to me about the McCann's.

I hope and pray the police were wrong from the beginning and Madeleine is still alive.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Most parents, who kill their children, do not keep their faces in the news everyday. Take a look at most child-murder cases, you can't get those parents to get on TV or to be continually interviewed. They usually run and hide. This is one thing that has always been odd to me about the McCann's.

I hope and pray the police were wrong from the beginning and Madeleine is still alive.

They do because they can afford to. They are eerily like the Ramsey's in that regard.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Madeleine is in the sea.

She will never be found. The fishes ate her.

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As a matter of opinion.

My opinion is that child is still missing and there is no proof of her death. However I think that is a fact.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Most parents, who kill their children, do not keep their faces in the news everyday. Take a look at most child-murder cases, you can't get those parents to get on TV or to be continually interviewed. They usually run and hide. This is one thing that has always been odd to me about the McCann's.

I hope and pray the police were wrong from the beginning and Madeleine is still alive.

Yes. Exactly.. These parents are not actively hiding or covering up facts. They are out there pushing for investigation and searches.

It is easy to make up scenarios but much more likely to stick with the obvious.