Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[haden]

D'you know, whether we believe the dogs or don't, one thing is the constant throughout this case, the bizarre behaviour of the main 2 players and the bizarre behaviour of many speaking in their defence. I have avoided 'news articles' mostly, extracting only things that come in quotation marks or are drawn illustrations by key players, and I have spent hours looking at footage of the parents speaking. I have never seen the parents of a missing child behave the way they do. KM had a new haircut and went jogging, GM stood at a flip chart with his wider agenda - just plain weird! Not to mention the dodgy 'pay our mortgage' fund, the wristbands and tee shirts, oh and going to Huelva on a quiet day and distributing posters in Portuguese whilst in Spain! Geez, you'd think the fund could pay for Spanish posters.

The one thing that made me sit up and take note of breakfast TV right after the night of the 3rd apart from the 'abduction' mantra by the media and the 'jemmied shutters' mantra, was the childcare 'expert' (whose name I made a note of somewhere at the time) telling the nation that leaving the children home alone whilst on holiday was perfectly acceptable and that the children were not put in danger and that the McC's were good parents nonetheless. I remember literally sitting bolt upright and saying WTF! The media seemed to be taking sides, and on it went.....

I disbelieve the McCanns because of what I have seen and heard.

Jmo

Thank you! You don't believe them due to their behaviour but there is no a scientific evidence that Madeleine died in that apartment, no evidence that parents lied to the police and no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Also, there is evidence that Scotland Yard is currently NOT treating the parents and their friends as any kind of suspects or person of interest.

 

[jigzy]

Here is in this video DC Redwood says in his own words
"Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects”

Redwood would hardly say "We are looking at all avenues of interest, and none of the Tapas Nine are out of the frame yet".

Jmo

 

[jigzy]

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Also, there is evidence that Scotland Yard is currently NOT treating the parents and their friends as any kind of suspects or person of interest.

Crikey, EVIDENCE! Do you work for SY? Otherwise I'm not sure how you can say that there is evidence that SY is NOT treating the parents and their friends as any kind of suspects or person of interest. SY is not in the business of going public with whom they suspect, lol

Jmo

 

[haden]

Crikey, EVIDENCE! Do you work for SY? Otherwise I'm not sure how you can say that there is evidence that SY is NOT treating the parents and their friends as any kind of suspects or person of interest. SY is not in the business of going public with whom they suspect, lol

Jmo

What DC Redwood said in his own words is good enough for me.

 

[jigzy]

Thank you! You don't believe them due to their behaviour but there is no a scientific evidence that Madeleine died in that apartment, no evidence that parents lied to the police and no evidence that Madeleine is dead.

Also, there is evidence that Scotland Yard is currently NOT treating the parents and their friends as any kind of suspects or person of interest.

Interesting that it is YOU that speaks of death in the apartment, not me. I am referring to disbelieving the McCanns in general. You say "no evidence that Madeleine is dead" - reminds me again of "find the body and prove we killed her".

Jmo

 

[Jmoose]

If only the CCTV video still existed! Why in the world wouldn't you look at the images from the cameras before doing almost anything else?

 

[jigzy]

If only the CCTV video still existed! Why in the world wouldn't you look at the images from the cameras before doing almost anything else?

Not sure how many CCTV cameras there were in PDL at the time. I recall that the Baptista Supermarket's CCTV was not working.

 

[gord]

Redwood would hardly say "We are looking at all avenues of interest, and none of the Tapas Nine are out of the frame yet".

Jmo

Well if they are still after them as suspects they are playing the long game of all long games ! I mean what the heck you think they might be waiting for ? I would think that if they had anything they might have done something by now ?

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[Meteor]

Please! I am not sure where you got your information from but please read the the rogatory statement from Martin Grime
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

'The dog EVRD also alerts to blood from a live human being or only from a cadaver'
The dog EVRD is trained using whole and disintegrated material, blood, bone tissue, teeth, etc. and decomposed cross-contaminants. The dog will recognize all or parts of a human cadaver. He is not trained for 'live' human odours; no trained dog will recognize the smell of 'fresh blood'. They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.

I've read this and there are problems with it.
Grime's explanation on how the dogs are trained and what they respond to is different to the August 2007 explanation. I have read much on these conflicting descriptions including a piece that explains that Grimes has been tutored in what to say in the future.
Descriptions prior to August 2007 suggest the two dogs are experts in their own fields respectively and that Eddie doesn't respond to blood and that Keela is the blood dog. Earlier explanations suggest Eddie only ever responds to certain chemicals released when a human body expires, i.e certain bodily fluids released postmortem.
When Eddie finds what he's looking for then Keela goes in and tries to find blood.
Grime's description is now that they are both blood dogs and both respond to blood. If that is the case then we only need one dog not two.
Why are the FBI interested in how Eddie was trained to find Cadaver if he is just a bog standard blood dog?
This is evidence that Grimes has been told to keep his trap shut in my opinion and I'm not the only one.

 

[jigzy]

Well if they are still after them as suspects they are playing the long game of all long games ! I mean what the heck you think they might be waiting for ? I would think that if they had anything they might have done something by now ?

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I doubt SY would act on just 'anything' and I can't imagine that they are 'waiting'. The investigation is ongoing and SY will act as and when they see fit. Our impatience doesn't figure in their plans.
Jmo.

 

[haden]

I've read this and there are problems with it.
Grime's explanation on how the dogs are trained and what they respond to is different to the August 2007 explanation. I have read much on these conflicting descriptions including a piece that explains that Grimes has been tutored in what to say in the future.
Descriptions prior to August 2007 suggest the two dogs are experts in their own fields respectively and that Eddie doesn't respond to blood and that Keela is the blood dog. Earlier explanations suggest Eddie only ever responds to certain chemicals released when a human body expires, i.e certain bodily fluids released postmortem.
When Eddie finds what he's looking for then Keela goes in and tries to find blood.
Grime's description is now that they are both blood dogs and both respond to blood. If that is the case then we only need one dog not two.
Why are the FBI interested in how Eddie was trained to find Cadaver if he is just a bog standard blood dog?
This is evidence that Grimes has been told to keep his trap shut in my opinion and I'm not the only one.

Well I have no comment to this.
This would involve a conspiracy theory that UK government or police is covering up a death of a child for whatever reason and is covering up a murder.
I would never believe in this!

 

[Meteor]

Well I have no comment to this.
This would involve a conspiracy theory that UK government or police is covering up a death of a child for whatever reason and is covering up a murder.
I would never believe in this!

Not necessarily the case.
The McCann's legal team includes a lawyer from the USA that had evidence from a Cadaver dog thrown out of court.
If the British police are not confident enough to use the dog evidence against the McCann's because of this then that could be a no go for them.
They may find it in their best interest not to pursue it at the moment.
The Government? The whole case is surrounded by political interest and media hype and has been from the very beginning. It is also unfortunately being used as a platform for governments to launch an attack on the internet freedom of the general public and may be used as leverage in restricting public use of the internet for the good and the bad.
I think personally the latter part of my explanation will be the most relevant in the years to come.
In the future on the internet, you will only be allowed to read what governments say you can and what appears in newspapers.

 

[haden]

Not necessarily the case.
The McCann's legal team includes a lawyer from the USA that had evidence from a Cadaver dog thrown out of court.
If the British police are not confident enough to use the dog evidence against the McCann's because of this then that could be a no go for them.
They may find it in their best interest not to pursue it at the moment.
The Government? The whole case is surrounded by political interest and media hype and has been from the very beginning. It is also unfortunately being used as a platform for governments to launch an attack on the internet freedom of the general public and may be used as leverage in restricting public use of the internet for the good and the bad.
I think personally the latter part of my explanation will be the most relevant in the years to come.
In the future on the internet, you will only be allowed to read what governments say you can and what appears in newspapers.

Thank you but I don't believe in that theory.
Scotland Yard is right now looking for Madeleine. She might be alive, that is what they said, there is a possibility she is recovered alive.
I firmly believe their words, rather than some 'hear say' internet made theories.

 

[BOESP]

By the words of his owner in rogatory letters Eddie is alerting on dry blood.
When the places where Eddie alerted were investigated by scientists they found out the DNA belong to 3 men, Gerry McCann and two Portuguese Police officers. all three alive and well!
So, the DNA from the places Eddie alerted to were from living humans!

Since Eddie is trained as a blood-scent hound finding the three samples is a good sign he knows what he is doing. Now a cadaver dog is trained to detect, well, cadaver-related elements such as blood and other fluids from a cadaver, among other things cadaver-related.

 

[BOESP]

Thank you but I don't believe in that theory.
Scotland Yard is right now looking for Madeleine. She might be alive, that is what they said, there is a possibility she is recovered alive.
I firmly believe their words, rather than some 'hear say' internet made theories.

Yes but the other 50% of that statement is "She might not be alive." They might not have said it but that is the inference because "might" is not an all-inclusive term.

Regardless, whether she is alive or not, it has to be investigated and included or excluded or put in the "currently not enough information to know" pile.

 

[SapphireSteel]

What DC Redwood said in his own words is good enough for me.

Ahhh Andy

I'll just pop on morning tv before the investigation has even started, and tell everyone what the conclusion is going to be.

:lol:

What amazes me is joe public still believes AR is talking to them. I believe AR is talking directly to the perp.

 

[jigzy]

What DC Redwood said in his own words is good enough for me.

You said that there's evidence that SY think the tapas nine are not involved. Please provide a link

 

[haden]

Yes but the other 50% of that statement is "She might not be alive." They might not have said it but that is the inference because "might" is not an all-inclusive term.

Regardless, whether she is alive or not, it has to be investigated and included or excluded or put in the "currently not enough information to know" pile.

I agree.
How do you know this hasn't been done by current detectives?

 

[haden]

You said that there's evidence that SY think the tapas nine are not involved. Please provide a link

I provided evidence, DC Redwoods clear statement!
He wouldn't say this if it wasn't true, it is his career we are talking about that can be jeopardised, not mine.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I provided evidence, DC Redwoods clear statement!
He wouldn't say this if it wasn't true, it is his career we are talking about that can be jeopardised, not mine.

Every word from AR is pure gold, every word from Amaral is the opposite.

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