Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[thisiseku]

What evidence would they hope to find on her sheets? The photos I've seen, it seems unlikely a child was ever asleep there that night. I doubt the "intruder" took a nap...


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I heard that if someone has been sedated, you can recognize it from the sweat.

 

[~n/t~]

None of the information made sense. That is why it implicated the parents from the very first hour.

It still doesn't and it wont make sense until the McCanns and their crew are forced onto a witness stand.

That is why the investigation into an "abductor" went nowhere - well, it did go somewhere, in a big circle, straight back to the parents.

:seeya:

Literally everywhere including Saudi Arabia but no Madeleine

 

[~n/t~]

I heard that if someone has been sedated, you can recognize it from the sweat.

And hair. Mccanns didn't want LE to take samples of the twins hair

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think it's very likely they gave Maddie something to sleep because the night before she had been so upset .. IF someone else took her, that too would have meant they could carry away a much more docile child, but much more likely she was given too much and died right there in the apartment, as the sniffer dogs indicated.

 

[~n/t~]

I think it's very likely they gave Maddie something to sleep because the night before she had been so upset .. IF someone else took her, that too would have meant they could carry away a much more docile child, but much more likely she was given too much and died right there in the apartment, as the sniffer dogs indicated.

Didn't they find blood behind the couch?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Didn't they find blood behind the couch?

It was a cadaver alert site and a blood alert site. DNA consistent with Madeleines was found at the sites.

Amaral spoke of "blood" at the sites because Keela, the blood dog, alerted. She only alerts to human blood.

 

[haden]

Didn't they find blood behind the couch?

Wasn't this blood from Lino Henriques, the portuguese police officer who took sample?

 

[aa9511]

aa9511;9909526]

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I have always had trouble with the idea of any of the Tapas being involved in the actual disposal of the body. I think they may well have suspicions about what really happened, but to actually be brought into the loop by the McCann's I just can't see it.

No disrespect meant, I just can't see the McCann's having that much faith in anyone. And why would their friends even be willing to cover?

Yes, you're right, I don't think it was all of them. I think maybe one. And from everything I've read, that one would most likely be Dave out of all of them. MOO. It is rather strange, the part where he went over to the villa to "check on Kate" from the tennis court. I'm just thinking that they must have had some help hiding and then disposing of the body. I'm thinking they could all 3 be in on it for the money, from the fund.

But you're right, it would make a lot more sense if it was just the two of them.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Wasn't this blood from Lino Henriques, the portuguese police officer who took sample?

Link please?

:seeya:

 

[chlban]

Linda7NJ;9909670]

If my child were missing and sawing off my right arm, by hand, would help bring him back , I'd do it!
The fact they refused to answer even simple questions is alarming to me. There is NOTHING they could ask that I'd be unwilling to answer truthfully,

Exactly! This is always a major issue for me, with the McCann's and the Ramsey's before them (sorry to go "off topic" but these cases are so similar in my mind). I have heard all the arguments about how "sensible"it is to obtain legal representation, to be careful what you say, etc. but I just don't buy it.

If my child is missing, I am not going to be sensible. I am not going to care about what my friends might say because heaven knows if they have any information at all, I want it out there.

I keep thinking of Mark Klaas when his daughter was kidnapped - Questions? whatever you want to know, polygraph? no probelm, let's get it done so you can move on to the real perp. He was the divorced dad, the perfect suspect, but he had absolutely nothing to hide, so he didn't!

That is the response of an innocent parent. Period.

 

[haden]

Link please?

:seeya:

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

 

[chlban]

haden;9909710]

Scotland Yard is the elite policing force of this world

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Really? According to who?

 

[haden]

haden;9909710] .

Really? According to who?

According to me :cheers:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, you're right, I don't think it was all of them. I think maybe one. And from everything I've read, that one would most likely be Dave out of all of them. MOO. It is rather strange, the part where he went over to the villa to "check on Kate" from the tennis court. I'm just thinking that they must have had some help hiding and then disposing of the body. I'm thinking they could all 3 be in on it for the money, from the fund.

But you're right, it would make a lot more sense if it was just the two of them.

I don't like the pedophilia aspect of this case, especially as it surrounds Payne who is extremely close to Gerry. Payne who spoke of the "pact" and had the early inconsistent/falsified visit with Kate and the children at (gulp) bathtime.

Pedophilia gives motive - someone went too far, Madeleine died.

It is yet another haunting echo of Jonbenet...except they made the mistake of not "losing" the body.

The only problem with this theory is, I don't want to believe it...which makes me no different to 99% of the population of the UK I suppose.

:sick:

We just can't believe something so horrible could be at the centre of this mystery.

 

[SapphireSteel]

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Yes, the swabs found a lot of DNA, some of which had been tracked in by the original responding GNR.

You forget to mention the myriad other swabs that showed DNA consistent with Madeleine's, found at the of sites Keela (human blood only) detected.

One swab showing a link to LE, numerous others showing Madeleine but those don't get mentioned...?

:waitasec:

 

[haden]

Yes, the swabs found a lot of DNA, some of which had been tracked in by the original responding GNR.

You forget to mention the myriad other swabs that showed DNA consistent with Madeleine's, found at the of sites Keela (human blood only) detected.

One swab showing a link to LE, numerous others showing Madeleine but those don't get mentioned...?

:waitasec:

The question here was about the blood behid the sofa, the Amaral's theory where Madeleine died..
In fact, he forgets to add that the blood was from his officer who took the sample

Plus I am sure that Scotland Yard has spoken to the Forensics Team before announcing that 'Madeleine is probably still alive'

 

[aa9511]

There are also a lot of answers.

The McCanns refused to provide any assistance at all to the PJ from the first hour.

The McCanns only handed over their cell phones after they had wiped the registers, the PJ could not get hold of the records.

The McCanns allegedly travelled all the way to Portugal and all over Europe and the rest of the world over the years without owning or using one single credit card (this is the most unbelievable claim of all IMO ).

As we all know, highly unlikely but no financial records were ever provided so the PJ could not check their movements.

Most of your questions can be answered on this site, also has a google search function too so it's really easy to use.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html

They could have gotten them if the UK had labelled them as suspects and forced them to comply with the Portugese investigation as aguidos. This is just so sad. By now all that information is lost. I'm sure they did some kind of deleting of all the hardware on their computer before they went to Portugal, but at least the investigators could have noted this, it would have been one more piece of evidence!

They wasted too much time....they should have been labelled as suspects and the authorities should have been able to access all the information they needed - I'm sure we would have the answer now as to what happened to Madeleine or even what they did to her body if this had happened.

Seems to be like the fact they went out of the UK is a big deal....we see now what happened, the Portugese could not investigate them because they fled that country, the UK didn't do anything because they didn't want to look at the evidence and label them as suspects. Seems to be they planned it out that way and it worked.

I'm leaning more and more towards this whole thing being premeditated by them.

 

[Hexe]

286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Well, that's only one of the many samples from the McCanns apartment.

 

[gord]

That's ok then just one little DNA error . What the heck .

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[haden]

Regarding the dogs.. their handler Martin Grime clearly says in his rogatory interview
They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm