Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[Linda7NJ]

And when Rene Hasee went missing in Portugal, his parents also were uneducated.. They went on holiday to Portugal and the boy was walking behind them and then suddenly dissipated.

The police came and took their statement and never contacted them again.

This is Rene Hasee

http://www.fredi.org/fiches_disparus/hasee-ren/

His poor parents keep coming every year back to the beach town he went missing on to look for him

That's heartbreaking... I know nothing about that case and have no idea what that has to do with Madeleines


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[SapphireSteel]

We are interested in facts, specifically the facts that imply an intruder was present!

Which so far, have not been provided!

 

[SapphireSteel]

This is the woman Madeleine's inspector Amaral was found guilty for fiddling with the evidence and her photo is the evidence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...harged-beating-suspect-missing-girl-case.html

That is incredibly inaccurate, and wildly off topic.

If Amaral is a "convicted criminal" why didn't he spend any time in jail?

:seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

They have always used the media to their benefit.

I would take every single media opportunity to get my child's picture out there, I'd plead to whoever took my child and I'd beg anyone that think they may have seen something to report it.
That would be my sole focus.




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So far no ones discussed the significance of what the McCanns did and didn't say on Crimewatch.

For example, I found it absolutely inexplicable that they never once spoke of getting Madeleine back - alive or dead.

They spoke of "answers" and "resolutions" but not one word about "when we find her". :waitasec:

They also did not take the opportunity to speak directly to Madeleine, even though their theory is she's alive and well and being hidden in xyz. This programme was specifically broadcast to the European countries of most interest where she would likely see it at some stage, if she's still alive.

Not one word implied that they even believe Madeleine is findable, let alone alive.

Why would they be displaying such a fatalistic attitude when "they've taken her" has always been the official line?

 

[leilarose68]

Linda, the only thing regarding the questioning, is they could have been thinking that if they answered and then were arrested/subsequently possibly convicted because of those answers, then their two other kids would be without their parents. OR.......they are guilty, that's why they didn't want to answer. I fully, fully believe the LATTER, not the first. If they truly were innocent, then they would have no thinking or no fear of being possibly convicted.

What gets me about their interviews is.....they spend most of the time talkng about the media and how the media is printing false reports, and how the media is "intrusive" in their personal lives. Regarding Madeleine, they simply say "we are trying," "we are still looking," and other short phrases like that. But when asked about any leads they have, sometimes they act like they genuinely don't know (perhaps because there are none). They say in vague terms, like oh I think there was one in Spain, etc.. Then in another interview, they basically said they don't get excited about any leads because they usually don't end up anywhere. They said, they let the investigators do that and then they will tell us if it leads anywhere. But if it was your daughter, wouldn't you want to know??? No matter how benign??

I truly think they killed that child on purpose. If it was an accident, why can't they summon any emotion for the poor girl?? Ok, I'll even give them the cover-up, they panicked, they were afraid of going to jail, they were afraid their other two kids would be taken away....it doesn't make any sense but I'm even willing to give them all of that.....but what explains their lack of emotion afterwards???? There is no explanation for this!!!! It was an accident, they must miss her, right??? They must genuinely grieve and mourn her, right?? No explanation whatsover to explain that other than they wanted that child dead.

the only time when i've seen kate cry, and not just little fake sniffles or a little glimmer in her eye but in a GENUINE way wasn't when she was talking about madeleine... the interviewer was like 'oh this media attention must bring a lot of stress' and kate broke down. and it was real.

so we know that kate is capable of crying and showing genuine emotion, but she only cries for herself, for the fact that she and gerry are going to have to keep up with this lie, this farce, for the rest of their lives.

 

[haden]

So far no ones discussed the significance of what the McCanns did and didn't say on Crimewatch.

For example, I found it absolutely inexplicable that they never once spoke of getting Madeleine back - alive or dead.

They spoke of "answers" and "resolutions" but not one word about "when we find her". :waitasec:

They also did not take the opportunity to speak directly to Madeleine, even though their theory is she's alive and well and being hidden in xyz. This programme was specifically broadcast to the European countries of most interest where she would likely see it at some stage, if she's still alive.

Not one word implied that they even believe Madeleine is findable, let alone alive.

Why would they be displaying such a fatalistic attitude when "they've taken her" has always been the official line?

If you know how the televised documentaries work you would also know that it is not the McCanns who decide what to talk about in a programme like this.
Detectives carefully chose every word!

 

[haden]

The story in this case is actually not about the McCanns but about Madeleine.
Endlessly discussing every McCanns move and ignoring and neglecting the fact that Madeleine is still missing is actually helping the abductors, and the Scotland Yard is currently believing that there are abductors.

Good night everyone, I hope with all my hearth that the detectives are heading somewhere and that soon they will find out what actually happened to Madeleine

 

[leilarose68]

The story in this case is actually not about the McCanns but about Madeleine.
Endlessly discussing every McCanns move and ignoring and neglecting the fact that Madeleine is still missing is actually helping the abductors, and the Scotland Yard is currently believing that there are abductors.

Good night everyone, I hope with all my hearth that the detectives are heading somewhere and that soon they will find out what actually happened to Madeleine

well you have the mccanns' creepy behavior, strong suggestion that maddie died in the apartment and zero evidence of an abductor to blame for that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The story in this case is actually not about the McCanns but about Madeleine.
Endlessly discussing every McCanns move and ignoring and neglecting the fact that Madeleine is still missing is actually helping the abductors, and the Scotland Yard is currently believing that there are abductors.

Good night everyone, I hope with all my hearth that the detectives are heading somewhere and that soon they will find out what actually happened to Madeleine

Goodnight. I too hope the detectives are heading somewhere and that there is resolution.


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[haden]

well you have the mccanns' creepy behavior, strong suggestion that maddie died in the apartment and zero evidence of an abductor to blame for that.

I don't care about their behaviour, they were cleared by two police forces and this is good enough for me.
There is no proof that Madeleine died in that apartment, if you know of any please let me know!
As officially, THERE IS NO PROOF!
Plus her dead body hasn't been found.
Conspiracy theories are not good enough for me. There are waste of time.
For me, Madeleine is alive until proved opposite.
And she finally has a good and effective police force looking for her, all chosen detectives.

 

[blefuscu]

I don't care about their behaviour, they were cleared by two police forces and this is good enough for me.
There is no proof that Madeleine died in that apartment, if you know of any please let me know!
As officially, THERE IS NO PROOF!
Plus her dead body hasn't been found.
Conspiracy theories are not good enough for me. There are waste of time.
For me, Madeleine is alive until proved opposite.
And she finally has a good and effective police force looking for her, all chosen detectives.

Where have they been "cleared"?

 

[leilarose68]

I don't care about their behaviour, they were cleared by two police forces and this is good enough for me.
There is no proof that Madeleine died in that apartment, if you know of any please let me know!
As officially, THERE IS NO PROOF!
Plus her dead body hasn't been found.
Conspiracy theories are not good enough for me. There are waste of time.
For me, Madeleine is alive until proved opposite.
And she finally has a good and effective police force looking for her, all chosen detectives.

so you're saying the cadaver dogs are totally incompetent? they picked the mccann's house out of a bunch of other houses. they picked their car out of 6 other cars in the lineup. is it all just a freaky freaky coincidence in your opinion?? you're going to totally dismiss those dogs that have helped to solve 200+ cases?

 

[cobalt sky]

We are interested in facts, specifically the facts that imply an intruder was present!

Which so far, have not been provided!

Would a savvy intruder have left any evidence to be found?

I don't lean towards a total stranger abduction, but realistically, it IS possible. The Mccanns couldn't have made it any easier, actually. If the intruder was familiar with the resort area/apartments, familiar with the village, and had been watching the comings/goings of the families for a few days, the perfect storm just may have brewed that night and the intruder took advantage of the opportunity.

Perhaps the intruder was watching and slipped in through the back patio door. You know, the one that the McCanns claimed to be able to see from the Tapas bar but was later proven that this was impossible. It only takes less than a minute or two to scoop up a sleeping child and slip out through the front door. Or even back through the patio door. There is also the possibility that the intruder had a helper, a look-out. As implausible as some may find this theory, there is always the chance that an intruder just got lucky and got away with it.

Still, at least three glaring problems with the IDI theory. 1) Why did Maddie not wake up and scream? Maybe he debilitated her somehow. Maybe she did cry... but by then, neighbors might have been used to crying coming from the apt and thought nothing of it. 2) The McCann's bizarre, attention-seeking behavior (particularly Gerry) after Maddie went missing. This, however, could be attributed to their own egos and reputationsbeing more important to them than the reality that they were negligent parents, which led to their daughter being taken 3) How to explain the cadaver dog hits? This is the tough one... I don't have enough knowledge of this subject, could they have been wrong? Doubtful. But, if the cadaver dog hits are such concrete evidence, why is SY taking such a firm stance that Maddie could still be alive? Does SY recognize and accept the cadaver dog evidence?

All my observations and opinions only.

 

[Jmoose]

Thank you but I am doing it for Madeleine.

Madeleine might be alive somewhere and someone will not report it because they think 'Nah, that is not her, she is dead.. I've seen it on internet'

All due to stupid people who think they are more clever than the scientists or because some psychic has told she is dead.

Actually it would be great if some real scientist explains in everydays wording why the samples are not from Madeleine and why the science has decided that she is not dead (from the sniffer dogs findings)

Regarding the dogs, even their handler has said that both dogs react on blood. BOTH dog react on blood, blood was found and this was not Madeleines blood.
There should be a BBC documentary on this because whatever is circulating on internet it is not good for Madeleine, it is pushing for the idea that she might be dead, when she as well can be alive!

Calling the people who don't agree with you, stupid, is a good way to get
this thread shut down-don't take it personally. None of us have enough information yet.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't care about their behaviour, they were cleared by two police forces and this is good enough for me.
There is no proof that Madeleine died in that apartment, if you know of any please let me know!
As officially, THERE IS NO PROOF!
Plus her dead body hasn't been found.
Conspiracy theories are not good enough for me. There are waste of time.
For me, Madeleine is alive until proved opposite.
And she finally has a good and effective police force looking for her, all chosen detectives.

You know this is a sleuthing site?

So discussing evidence/inconsistencies and pondering conclusions is what we do on WS?

:waitasec:

 

[Jmoose]

with the cadaver dogs, discrepancies in deposition and kate mccann refusing to answer questions at first you think this is an ABDUCTION? people give these two wayyy too much credit just because it's hard to believe two educated, well to do folks would be this ghastly. well, all of the evidence points to madeleine dying in her home. there is absolutely no evidence of an intruder;;; if there were an intruder, there would have been a disruption on on the door (due to the nature of the lock) and there would have been marks on the window and/or on maddie's bed. the only marks on the window were from kate mccann, and the fingerprints showed that she would have been CLOSING the window, not opening it as she's said.

Didn't I read that they left the door unlocked? Was it unlocked, or was it locked up tightly enough to need an obvious break-in?

 

[Tulessa]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-four-year-old-blonde-girl-found-2467385

 

[SapphireSteel]

so you're saying the cadaver dogs are totally incompetent? they picked the mccann's house out of a bunch of other houses. they picked their car out of 6 other cars in the lineup. is it all just a freaky freaky coincidence in your opinion?? you're going to totally dismiss those dogs that have helped to solve 200+ cases?

Yes.

The IDI theory is based squarely on the following -

The PJ is wrong
The British Police were wrong
The dogs were wrong
The forensics are wrong
The GNR was wrong
The Smiths are wrong
The McCanns are fantastic parents

Once you suck up all of that, then you'll understand where they're coming from.

:seeya:

 

[Jmoose]

Would a savvy intruder have left any evidence to be found?

I don't lean towards a total stranger abduction, but realistically, it IS possible. The Mccanns couldn't have made it any easier, actually. If the intruder was familiar with the resort area/apartments, familiar with the village, and had been watching the comings/goings of the families for a few days, the perfect storm just may have brewed that night and the intruder took advantage of the opportunity.

Perhaps the intruder was watching and slipped in through the back patio door. You know, the one that the McCanns claimed to be able to see from the Tapas bar but was later proven that this was impossible. It only takes less than a minute or two to scoop up a sleeping child and slip out through the front door. Or even back through the patio door. There is also the possibility that the intruder had a helper, a look-out. As implausible as some may find this theory, there is always the chance that an intruder just got lucky and got away with it.

Still, at least three glaring problems with the IDI theory. 1) Why did Maddie not wake up and scream? Maybe he debilitated her somehow. Maybe she did cry... but by then, neighbors might have been used to crying coming from the apt and thought nothing of it. 2) The McCann's bizarre, attention-seeking behavior (particularly Gerry) after Maddie went missing. This, however, could be attributed to their own egos and reputationsbeing more important to them than the reality that they were negligent parents, which led to their daughter being taken 3) How to explain the cadaver dog hits? This is the tough one... I don't have enough knowledge of this subject, could they have been wrong? Doubtful. But, if the cadaver dog hits are such concrete evidence, why is SY taking such a firm stance that Maddie could still be alive? Does SY recognize and accept the cadaver dog evidence?

All my observations and opinions only.

My opinion on this is simply that they haven't found a body, therefore they think she could still be alive

 

[SapphireSteel]

Didn't I read that they left the door unlocked? Was it unlocked, or was it locked up tightly enough to need an obvious break-in?

First telling = locked
second telling = unlocked
third telling = went through unlocked door and out closed window. :scared: