Madeleine McCann general discussion thread #28

[hoshizora]

That's a very interesting article. I feel really sorry for the Needham family if this is true. I don't know much about his case, but his mother seems extremely dedicated and I really have a lot of respect for her.

If you are a government body and you start offering help to one family of a missing child, you can't just ignore the rest. It has to be fair and I think every family should get the same amount of help (if they contact the government, that is)

 

[hoshizora]

I can't find the open thread for Madeleine's case. I see that Kimster said she would open a main thread I cannot find it.

This case; and threads and info needs to remain open for discussion. Even if some think the parents have been cleared others don't.

I'd like to write about something that happened that REALLY and TRULY peeked my interest. I like to "catch up" on shows that I've missed. Through netfilx or whatever streaming serv I can. So recently I watch all of Trials and Retribution. It's not the first case; I think it was closer to the last case...they are only 2 epi's per SEASON.

Now; I want all to watch it; and listen for the part where the woman, who just finds out her kid is taken, says the exact same phrase when giving her public plea. I'd like to know exactly how this happened. KM gave her plea in PDL not in the UK. She must have seen this show. I need to know; we all need to know if she did. Because OK now I remember it's season 1 epi one or two WHEN SHE IS OFFERED TO GIVE A PUBLIC PLEA.....

The SAME EXACT WORDS CAME OUT OF KATE MCCANNS MOUTH AND THE UK SCOTLAND YARD AND PDL need to know this. Review the show when you have time; then please post. Please. I need you all to see it; just the first two episodes. This occurred BEFORE Madel ever went missing. FYI

Also; in PDL there were those huge construction sewer pipes in PDL right along side where they stayed. Now this; these TWO coinkydinks can no longer be described as coinky dinks, esp when she opens her mouth to give a public plea. On teh show; and in real life. It's uncanny; I hv to write this I need you all to see the first and second epi and think on KM and what she said at her press conf when she plead for Madeleine. Please.

Scotland Yard Must Determine if the McCanns saw this show. Or if they subscribed or if they watched it through their service. Because it links up in too many conv. ways.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1511543/

That's very interesting. I will see if I can watch the first two episodes tomorrow when I have a day off.

I am very curious though. Is it possibly just a coincidence or is it a phrase that wouldn't be used? Like there is absolutely no way she would know it if she hadn't seen the show?

Sometimes things from TV shows and other media also get into our heads and we act on it subconsciously too. If we see a certain scene on a TV show, for example, we might use that scene when writing an unrelated story to it, so I don't know if I could rule that they are being deceptive based on this.

Although I do think recreating and remembering a scene subconsciously is much different to using a quote when the same thing happens to you that happened in the TV show.

 

[hoshizora]

I know I'm posting a lot and I apologise for that, but I ended up seeing a photo of TractorMan on an Australian news website (IIRC) and I was just wondering if they had any evidence beyond his mobile phone pings in the area and him working and being fired at the resort that suggests he took Maddie because I think he's a weak suspect. The witnesses (the Smiths, since theirs is the only one that matters now) identified the man they saw as Caucasian and all the other POIs appear Caucasian and the poor man can't defend himself now. I just want to know if I'm missing something beyond what I know. This is actually the first time I have heard of anyone with dark skin being involved with Maddie disappearance.

I don't believe there was an abductor anyway as you all know but I try to keep an open mind and look at everything objectively, but I can't see any possibility of this man being involved at all.

I do find it curious they have moved onto someone else though. It makes me wonder if they have tracked down the man who the Smiths saw and cleared him.

 

[hoshizora]

Double post, please ignore

 

[Hexe]

I know I'm posting a lot and I apologise for that, but I ended up seeing a photo of TractorMan on an Australian news website (IIRC) and I was just wondering if they had any evidence beyond his mobile phone pings in the area and him working and being fired at the resort that suggests he took Maddie because I think he's a weak suspect. The witnesses (the Smiths, since theirs is the only one that matters now) identified the man they saw as Caucasian and all the other POIs appear Caucasian and the poor man can't defend himself now. I just want to know if I'm missing something beyond what I know. This is actually the first time I have heard of anyone with dark skin being involved with Maddie disappearance.

I don't believe there was an abductor anyway as you all know but I try to keep an open mind and look at everything objectively, but I can't see any possibility of this man being involved at all.

I do find it curious they have moved onto someone else though. It makes me wonder if they have tracked down the man who the Smiths saw and cleared him.

We don't know if they moved onto someone else, as the LE keeps silent. But I see here some very interesting coincidence that shortly after the LE published the e-fits, showing pasty white, Caucasian suspects, in the tabloids sprouts the story about another suspect, who is very dark skinned African and looks nothing like the faces from the e-fits. Maybe it is not a coincidence actually? Maybe someone just wanted to divert the attention from these e-fits and the Smiths Sighting?

 

[~n/t~]

We don't know if they moved onto someone else, as the LE keeps silent. But I see here some very interesting coincidence that shortly after the LE published the e-fits, showing pasty white, Caucasian suspects, in the tabloids sprouts the story about another suspect, who is very dark skinned African and looks nothing like the faces from the e-fits. Maybe it is not a coincidence actually? Maybe someone just wanted to divert the attention from these e-fits and the Smiths Sighting?

Who would that someone be? The Portuguese law enforcement? Have they even commented at all about tractor man? I haven't seen anything official from either side. Weird.

 

[jigzy]

The only thing that I've seen in actual quotation marks about Tractorman is this quote supposedly from Clarence Mitchell, saying that the McCanns “will not comment on speculation”.

That speaks volumes to me. In fact whenever the McCanns or Clarence Mitchell comment on something, drawing attention to something, I smell a huge, fat, stinking rat. Two white e-fits, one looks like Gerry, then the McCanns draw attention to the totally different-looking Tractorman by SAYING that they will not comment on speculation. Why say anything at all? Just say nothing! By saying that, they drew attention to him.

Jmo.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal

 

[SapphireSteel]

If you look at the latest revelations objectively, there is absolutely no logical explanation for the suppressed efit, nor the new announcement that some poor deceased African is responsible.

The McCanns own detectives developed the efit. SY are now declaring that efit to be the only true sighting. So now we get the photo of an African????????????

Who supplied that photo, who dug up Tractor Man and sold the story to the rags?

 

[haden]

The only thing that I've seen in actual quotation marks about Tractorman is this quote supposedly from Clarence Mitchell, saying that the McCanns “will not comment on speculation”.

That speaks volumes to me. In fact whenever the McCanns or Clarence Mitchell comment on something, drawing attention to something, I smell a huge, fat, stinking rat. Two white e-fits, one looks like Gerry, then the McCanns draw attention to the totally different-looking Tractorman by SAYING that they will not comment on speculation. Why say anything at all? Just say nothing! By saying that, they drew attention to him.

Jmo.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal

Tractorman is PJs suspect, nothing to do with the McCanns.

 

[haden]

If you look at the latest revelations objectively, there is absolutely no logical explanation for the suppressed efit, nor the new announcement that some poor deceased African is responsible.

The McCanns own detectives developed the efit. SY are now declaring that efit to be the only true sighting. So now we get the photo of an African????????????

Who supplied that photo, who dug up Tractor Man and sold the story to the rags?

There are 3 teams working on the case now, SY and two Portuguese teams.
One of the PJ teams is helping the SY, other working independently.

It was claimed in Portuguese media that the independent PJ team researching files came up with the tractorman and that helped them to have the case reopened in Portugal.
We don't know if they have anything else on the tractorman, seems that for the reopening of the case they have to have some more info.

Tractorman has nothing to do with the SY.

 

[~n/t~]

There are 3 teams working on the case now, SY and two Portuguese teams.
One of the PJ teams is helping the SY, other working independently.

It was claimed in Portuguese media that the independent PJ team researching files came up with the tractorman and that helped them to have the case reopened in Portugal.
We don't know if they have anything else on the tractorman, seems that for the reopening of the case they have to have some more info.

Tractorman has nothing to do with the SY.

Nothing official that I could find from PJ. How did this story leak to the tabloids? I think that's how it started and then other media copied and so on and so on

But again nothing officially was said by PJ

 

[haden]

Nothing official that I could find from PJ. How did this story leak to the tabloids? I think that's how it started and then other media copied and so on and so on

But again nothing officially was said by PJ

I got it from here
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/n...-judiciaria-investiga-pista-de-suspeito-morto

Google translated:
The suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann is dead. The Judicial Police has strong evidence to believe that the kidnapper was a former employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, who in 2009 died in a tractor accident. The PJ has heard the widow of the suspect and tries to realize now that place is that man may have hidden the corpse.
Suspicions regarding the former employee of the resort of Praia da Luz, where the girl disappeared, emerged during the review process carried out by the team of Judicial Porto. It was indeed this track stronger presented to the prosecutor and the result that the case be reopened

 

[Hexe]

There are 3 teams working on the case now, SY and two Portuguese teams.
One of the PJ teams is helping the SY, other working independently.

It was claimed in Portuguese media that the independent PJ team researching files came up with the tractorman and that helped them to have the case reopened in Portugal.
We don't know if they have anything else on the tractorman, seems that for the reopening of the case they have to have some more info.

Tractorman has nothing to do with the SY.

All these claims come only from the tabloid press. The PJ officially did not utter a single word about the Tractorman. I don't see why should they remain silent. The main suspect is dead, he won't run away. So why no official mention? And why that Tractorman story came up almost immediately after the publication of the e-fits? That bothers me the most.

 

[haden]

All these claims come only from the tabloid press. The PJ officially did not utter a single word about the Tractorman. I don't see why should they remain silent. The main suspect is dead, he won't run away. So why no official mention? And why that Tractorman story came up almost immediately after the publication of the e-fits? That bothers me the most.

IMO it is the competition between PJ and SY.

When SY came with their efit the PJ showed the Treactorman ( through leaks)

 

[Hexe]

I got it from here
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/n...-judiciaria-investiga-pista-de-suspeito-morto

Google translated:
The suspect in the abduction of Madeleine McCann is dead. The Judicial Police has strong evidence to believe that the kidnapper was a former employee of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, who in 2009 died in a tractor accident. The PJ has heard the widow of the suspect and tries to realize now that place is that man may have hidden the corpse.
Suspicions regarding the former employee of the resort of Praia da Luz, where the girl disappeared, emerged during the review process carried out by the team of Judicial Porto. It was indeed this track stronger presented to the prosecutor and the result that the case be reopened

But this is not an official statement of the PJ, it's an article from Correio da Manha. A rag. Who leaked this story to them? And how much of the truth is in it? I'd love to know the answers...

 

[SapphireSteel]

My guess, the same person who leaked Posh Spice, Raymond Hewlett, Pimple man, Egg man, the gypsies etc.

Clarence Mitchell.

Note the timing - Tractor man has completely overwhelmed the SY release of the efit in the UK media.

I would also ask why Crimewatch did not emphasise the HIDDEN nature of the efit. Hardly unbiased reporting.

If I was LE and had some POI's who hired PR to leak false information and lawyers to threaten against the release of the real e-fit, I know who'd be at the top of my suspect list.

 

[haden]

IMO this news has nothing to do with the McCanns and their spokesman. It was written by Amarals witness, Eduardo Dâmaso, who he is bringing to his label case.

It would be more logical the leak is from Amaral, through his PJ links

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes of course Amaral is to blame.

I'm truly amazed that an efit of Amaral hasn't been presented, he gets the blame for everything else.

If Amaral had thought Tractor guy was a POI, he would have written about it in his book. You know that book that is faithful to the investigation which the McCanns are trying to censor.

Who better to blame for this tragedy, a dead black guy? Much easier to stomach than the party Amaral actually does blame.

 

[Hexe]

IMO this news has nothing to do with the McCanns and their spokesman. It was written by Amarals witness, Eduardo Dâmaso, who he is bringing to his label case.

It would be more logical the leak is from Amaral, through his PJ links

Amaral gains nothing from leaking this story. He suspected and still suspects McCanns, so by spreading the story about Maddie's killer being a Tractorman he would only make an idiot out of himself.

Now, Eduardo Damaso is a witness in Amaral's libel trial, but remember, Correio da Manha is a tabloid, they would print anything, if that would make people to buy their newspaper. And, I suppose they would take the info even from Lucipher himself, because tabloids are like that.

So SY publishes the e-fits. The voices raise "Oy, this guy on the pic looks like Gerry McCann!". And like a rabbit from the magician's hat, from CM jumps out the story, that says the real perpetrator does not resemble the e-fits at all, duh, he's not even white! See? Here's the picture!

Isn't it a hell of a coincidence?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Why are the British media downplaying/ignoring the suppressed e-fit????

:furious: