Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #10

[haden]

Euclides Monteiro's phone was also placing him near OC on May 3. He was a known burglar, ex prisoner, drug addict, known for stealing laptops and cameras. He used to work for OC before but lost his job when caught stealing.
Are we looking at an accomplice?

And then he suddenly died in 2009 in a tractor accident.

 

[tedtink]

But he was described as intelligent and eloquent and quotting many times from the Law books while being questioned in court in Germany - during his trial.

Anyone who has a good memory can quote from law books - that doesn't mean they understand the text.
He's a manipulative psychopath imo - not intelligent at all, psychopaths mimic others behavior and come across quite "normal" they feign sympathy and empathy, but they do not feel it.
They wear a "mask" can be outwardly charming, can appear to be intelligent, smart, funny - but the real person is very different from the person they project, especially in the case of CB.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Agree it seems a straightforward plan, I guess not all killers need to be like Dexter to get away with it

love Dexter !!!!!

 

[peanutJelly]

I think CB ( if it was him) was lucky that Amaral was leading the case. Amaral was stubbornly fixated on parents and did not look further from his nose.
It seems CB gets furious whenever confronted by a weaker side but pretends to be nice and eloquent when confronted by someone more powerful than him.
In the Guardian article I posted earlier there is an account from a journalist who actually followed his trial case earlier.

Bettina Thoenes, a reporter for the Braunschweiger Zeitung, who followed the rape trial, described him as “a man of intelligent appearance, dressed in a simple grey shirt and slightly oversized jeans”. She said he was eloquent, and quoted frequently from legal text books.

Witnesses who gave evidence at the trial described him as a “fortune hunter”, and someone who “tried to exude something special, but at the same time didn’t make out that he was the big cheese”.

They remembered him driving a Jaguar, and paid attention to his appearance. “He went around in a very groomed manner, always wearing a shirt and jacket.” Some referred to him as the “maitre d’”.

I think considering his background and lifestyle, with the way he’s reported he’s more intelligent that some think. He seems in some reports to be quite manipulative and astute

 

[worldwatcher]

But he was described as intelligent and eloquent and quotting many times from the Law books while being questioned in court in Germany - during his trial.

I am not sure how long and many times he spend behind bars but isn’t a fact that most prisoners catch up with reading? I think that he enough time to familiarize himself with criminal law

 

[peanutJelly]

Maybe he didn’t “jink” them? A few quid in the right person’s hand could be enough for them to turn a blind eye?
I had read something earlier where a British expat described PdL as a “sleepy town. A haven away from all this (crime)” Just considering CB’s theft crimes alone, it doesn’t sound like much of a haven to me. And that’s saying nothing of the rapes, the paedophilia... And he was just one of many thieves/rapists (if he really wasn’t responsible for HB’s rape, then that means there was another rapist on the loose)/paedophiles in the town at that time. And this woman really heard nothing about all that?? So it wasn’t being reported in the papers? Why? Was it because the crimes weren’t being investigated? If so, why?

Sounds safer for expats than tourists though...!

 

[haden]

Anyone who has a good memory can quote from law books - that doesn't mean they understand the text.
He's a manipulative psychopath imo - not intelligent at all, psychopaths mimic others behavior and come across quite "normal" they feign sympathy and empathy, but they do not feel it.
They wear a "mask" can be outwardly charming, can appear to be intelligent, smart, funny - but the real person is very different from the person they project, especially in the case of CB.

I think he must be intelligent, in a crazy way, I mean.
The reason why this case was brought to public is because they are looking for a stronger evidence. And they are afraid that he might soon walk free.
Being eloquent in court means that he is well spoken and uses the right precise wording, quotting often from law books means that he is able to connect legal facts with his current case, for that you need kind of mathematical mind.
To be honest, I think the guy is clever in his own way. Look how many police forces he succided to fool..
If it was him, again.. but we all in here assume it was him.

 

[peanutJelly]

I'm totally lost with what point you are trying to make here Mendel. Burglars don't run from a scene unless they've been spotted. In all likelihood he casually walked his stolen goods to a nearby vehicle and drove away. Don't see why the same couldn't apply to a child.

Running away would draw more attention too! A casual stroll or even purposeful walk will draw far less attention than someone running...

 

[tedtink]

If you think so, I'm helpless DLK. I said he can't be profiled as a mastermind to commit such a perfect crime. At most he was just workmanship there. He's a great disaster. Even the couple from Foral when questioned if he was clever, they said yes because he could build a wall and he had to think to build it.

Well it depends what the couple from Foral think is clever?
We know he could build a wall, preferred to work with his hands, started out as a car mechanic, that could suggest a methodical, creative mind - if he was good at those things, but intelligence is based on so many other factors. I think he used cunning, deception and guile to get through, he wasn't stupid in a sense but he used deception to make himself "appear" more intelligent imo.

 

[peanutJelly]

Well it depends what the couple from Foral think is clever?
We know he could build a wall, preferred to work with his hands, started out as a car mechanic, that could suggest a methodical, creative mind - if he was good at those things, but intelligence is based on so many other factors. I think he used cunning, deception and guile to get through, he wasn't stupid in a sense but he used deception to make himself "appear" intelligent imo.

Getting into a deeper discussion now around how to define ‘intelligent’?

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Thanks, I just snorted, Hubby just looked and shook his head at me.

Ted just leaves me in creases lol her humour is first class. I haven’t been able to get that visual of CB in the stockings and suspenders get up, “politely taking his shoes off at the door” out of my head

 

[MENDEL]

THE IMPULSIVE OFFENDER

This is not an intelligent criminal. He is apt to be dull witted and foolish and is least successful at evading identification and apprehension. He lacks discipline and self-control. He makes poor decisions and carries out his crimes in an unplanned, unsophisticated manner.

In: Dark Dreams: A Legendary FBI Profiler Examines Homicide and the Criminal Mind. By Roy Hazelwood, Stephen G. Michaud

This is how we know CB so well. Too dumb to commit a perfect crime.

 

[tedtink]

I know a sociopath, he obviuosly doesn't know he is a sociopath and doesn't know that I know! - He beat and raped his wife, terrorised and beat his children as youngsters. even put a gun to his sons head, has paedophilic and incestuous tendencies. He is intelligent, cunning, manipulative, he feigns concern, appears interested in you and is very engaging.
It is CHILLING knowing what is behind this persons "mask".
He doesn't even touch the psychopathic end of the spectrum.

 

[haden]

I think considering his background and lifestyle, with the way he’s reported he’s more intelligent that some think. He seems in some reports to be quite manipulative and astute

He was said to have psychopatic traits, though.
This means being cold and lack emphaty and in crisis like a robot who only wants to conquer.

 

[tedtink]

THE IMPULSIVE OFFENDER

This is not an intelligent criminal. He is apt to be dull witted and foolish and is least successful at evading identification and apprehension. He lacks discipline and self-control. He makes poor decisions and carries out his crimes in an unplanned, unsophisticated manner.

In: Dark Dreams: A Legendary FBI Profiler Examines Homicide and the Criminal Mind. By Roy Hazelwood, Stephen G. Michaud

This is how we know CB so well. Too dumb to commit a perfect crime.

It's a good "nutshell"profile but very reductive - I'd like to see a more detailed profile, so I would be very wary about sticking a single paragraph on to CB.

 

[Dlk79]

If you think so, I'm helpless DLK. I said he can't be profiled as a mastermind to commit such a perfect crime. At most he was just workmanship there. He's a great disaster. Even the couple from Foral when questioned if he was clever, they said yes because he could build a wall and he had to think to build it.

All I think is that he could have done it. I don't believe he's any sort of mastermind either, but I don't agree with your assertion that this was necassarily some "ingenious" plan cooked up by some mega intelligent criminal.

My point was that stealing a sleeping child from an apartment where nobody is around is not that much different logistically speaking, to stealing anything else from an apartment. I'm not sure what makes you assert that the crime was "ingenious" other than the fact he hasn't been caught yet. Lots of pretty dumb criminals don't get caught either.

 

[MENDEL]

It's a good "nutshell"profile but very reductive - I'd like to see a more detailed profile, so I would be very wary about sticking a single paragraph on to CB.

He's been caught by police stealing diesel. They easily located him in Italy. He admitted to judge he had been sentenced as minor in Germany, something that judge could hardly know and if anything would upgrade his punishment. Then he told judge to "F*ck off". He was easily caught, identified, surrounded and in police hand's when he had an international warrant.

Just a few thoughts, Ted. I guess enough for you to agree he's an impulsive offender FBI profilers are talking about.

 

[NY90]

Apologies if already posted, attached is an image of the box factory in Neuwegersleben from 2015.

Seems a large vehicle of some sort maybe under tarpaulin near the builidng in the back.

Added some areas of differences to 2015 and 2018.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

I am not sure how long and many times he spend behind bars but isn’t a fact that most prisoners catch up with reading? I think that he enough time to familiarize himself with criminal law

Do prisons only house criminal law books or what?? A lot of prisoners seem to come out fancying themselves self-taught solicitors - we have many of them here in Ireland No regard for the law but are fairly fluent in it! Must be a case of better the devil you know.

(Swear I haven’t taken a bet to get as many song titles as possible in here tonight )

 

[lisette]

I can't stop thinking about little Maddie (and maybe one of the twins) crying for an HOUR the night before she was taken. It would break my heart knowing one of my precious children or grandchildren had cried for an hour and no one was there. And then for them to be snatched away...I couldn't live with it. If this is too close to victim slamming, delete it. I just had to get it off my chest.