Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #10

[Lilly b]

I don't know, I kind of get the feeling that this sighting of the middle aged couple is perhaps not all that credible. I've never even heard about it apart from this article, you'd think something that significant would have been talked about a lot more in the Press and documentaries if it was true? Did they just see the parents coming home? Or another resident in the OC? Was it actually 5A they went in to?[/QUOTE
Paul and Susan moyes, where staying at the OC, but saw nothing, then there was the man George Burke, saw a couple sort of dragging / hiding a child the morning after near lagos rail station, who looked like mm

 

[photographer4]

Pamela Fenn heard crying on the 1st according to her witness statement, tho it is consistently reported as the 2nd by MSM. It also says she was out on the 2nd so heard nothing that night.

Lots of reports of KMs first reaction is 'they've' taken her not someone. Now this report states that when they returned after searching KM was saying the f@#$ing b@#$@#ds have taken her - plural. Even in a distressed state my first thought would be unknown someone singular. So I still find that unusual.

German police have said they have reasons to believe someone else has knowledge of the events of that night. That seems, to me at least, more definite than a request for witnesses.

MM did not cry the night she was abducted which I've always assumed was because she remained asleep or was silenced. But could it have been because she had already been comforted? I doubt CB would have been a comforting figure.

MM and her siblings had been going to the creche or children's club during the days prior to when she vanished. It could be that she was used to strangers attending to her? If she had woken and CB had said something like, I will bring you to your mom... she may have settled and just trusted him to do so. She may not have realized the danger? We assume she slept through being taken, but that isn't necessarily the case. It could be she woke up and simply didn't cry because she was either accustomed to being minded by strangers, or because she may have been familiar with her abductor at least in a passing sense. We don't know. I hope we find out one day!

 

[Newthoughts]

MM and her siblings had been going to the creche or children's club during the days prior to when she vanished. It could be that she was used to strangers attending to her? If she had woken and CB had said something like, I will bring you to your mom... she may have settled and just trusted him to do so. She may not have realized the danger? We assume she slept through being taken, but that isn't necessarily the case. It could be she woke up and simply didn't cry because she was either accustomed to being minded by strangers, or because she may have been familiar with her abductor at least in a passing sense. We don't know. I hope we find out one day!

Knowing what we now know about CB I just hope he accidentally and quickly killed her in the process of abducting her. Because everything else I've heard about him makes my skin creep.

 

[tedtink]

DT double post

 

[tedtink]

MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

“It was his stash and when we were taken to prison, he ordered a friend to go into the house and clear it up and get rid of any evidence of burglaries or robberies”

I know I keep pressing this theory but I do think BP may have been involved in the clear out. It’s possible as he also asked BP to provide an address for him whilst in prison, so BP would have been privy to the house having to be cleared
MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

EXCLUSIVE: Former friend of Maddie suspect Christian B spent months with him in Spain's Andalucia and believes he's guilty - Olive Press News Spain

 

[sleuth-d-]

MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

“It was his stash and when we were taken to prison, he ordered a friend to go into the house and clear it up and get rid of any evidence of burglaries or robberies”

I know I keep pressing this theory but I do think BP may have been involved in the clear out. It’s possible as he also asked BP to provide an address for him whilst in prison, so BP would have been privy to the house having to be cleared
MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

EXCLUSIVE: Former friend of Maddie suspect Christian B spent months with him in Spain's Andalucia and believes he's guilty - Olive Press News Spain

Interested to know where does it say MT saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007? Not in that link.

what that link does confirm, MT didn’t do any talking to the police voluntarily. They found him, and came to his door, in Graz.

 

[Dlk79]

MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

“It was his stash and when we were taken to prison, he ordered a friend to go into the house and clear it up and get rid of any evidence of burglaries or robberies”

I know I keep pressing this theory but I do think BP may have been involved in the clear out. It’s possible as he also asked BP to provide an address for him whilst in prison, so BP would have been privy to the house having to be cleared
MT said he saw CB at the dragon festival in 2007

EXCLUSIVE: Former friend of Maddie suspect Christian B spent months with him in Spain's Andalucia and believes he's guilty - Olive Press News Spain

I'm not sure he does actually say CB was at the festival -

He was living free (in PDL), going to raves and I think selling drugs to the local party crowd. He also had his Jaguar parked up somewhere.”

Micha however, decided to move back to Spain, partly because he hadn’t paid his fine and also to attend the Dragon Festival in Orgiva in March that year.

The Dragon Festival was fun and the next time I saw him was in late May or early June 2007 when he arrived in Spain with his big American campervan, the Winnebago, the one with the (childrens) swimsuits.

“He parked it up in Orgiva and came looking for me. It was the only reason he had come to Orgiva to find me. He knew that I was living there and he knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

It's not totally clear but I read that as MT visited CB in PDL in the February before leaving him there to go to Spain for the Dragon Festival. He then says he didn't see CB again until May/June.

I have a similar thought about BP being one of the people involved in the robbery of the farmhouse though. It says the robbers were German which BP is. The van where the video was kept was scrapped, he owns a scrapyard. He knew about CB's criminal dealings, even tried to help get him out on bail. I also thought it a little peculiar in the BKA appeal they made a point that the new owner of the Westfalia (BP) should be considered innocent of involvement. I have a feeling the police came knocking, maybe with something on BP and he is now working as a key informant against CB.

 

[sleuth-d-]

I'm not sure he does actually say CB was at the festival -

He was living free (in PDL), going to raves and I think selling drugs to the local party crowd. He also had his Jaguar parked up somewhere.”

Micha however, decided to move back to Spain, partly because he hadn’t paid his fine and also to attend the Dragon Festival in Orgiva in March that year.

The Dragon Festival was fun and the next time I saw him was in late May or early June 2007 when he arrived in Spain with his big American campervan, the Winnebago, the one with the (childrens) swimsuits.

“He parked it up in Orgiva and came looking for me. It was the only reason he had come to Orgiva to find me. He knew that I was living there and he knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

It's not totally clear but I read that as MT visited CB in PDL in the February before leaving him there to go to Spain for the Dragon Festival. He then says he didn't see CB again until May/June.

I have a similar thought about BP being one of the people involved in the robbery of the farmhouse though. It says the robbers were German which BP is. The van where the video was kept was scrapped, he owns a scrapyard. He knew about CB's criminal dealings, even tried to help get him out on bail. I also thought it a little peculiar in the BKA appeal they made a point that the new owner of the Westfalia (BP) should be considered innocent of involvement. I have a feeling the police came knocking, maybe with something on BP and he is now working as a key informant against CB.

Someone must have opened up the rape case for German LE. Was there someone else at the trial, also giving evidence? MT had knowledge of what was on the tape...
In September 2018 the German extradition was not for rape. They speak to MT in April 2019, he tells them everything, over two days... and then they are convicting CB for rape in December 2019. Even before they announce any link with MBM.

 

[Chiatos]

From the Italian press MSM:
“The investigation launched by the carabinieri led by Lieutenant Colonel Michele Miulli had been swift. German police suspected that Brückner was spending his hiding in Italy, but not much information was available to investigators. However, the German authorities have obtained the issue of a Mae, the European arrest warrant linked to the suspicion that it was in our country. The turning point came almost by accident. The report, around 7.30 in the morning, that Brückner had presented himself to the German consulate in via Solferino to report the loss of the passport. Perhaps the man hoped that the consular authorities were unaware of his past, or perhaps he did not imagine that the arrest warrant was also valid in Italy. The police of Catturandi, then led by captain Marco Prosperi, had waited for the man on leaving the consulate”

Il sospettato per la scomparsa di Maddie McCann fu arrestato a Milano, nel 2018

“He was drunk, there was talk of Maddie and he said 'they will never find her because children can kill themselves.' He didn't say he killed her, but now I have thought about this comment." The man used to drink and for some Serbian neighbors he was very violent. Several times he had threatened them with a knife. Apparently he had this dark side. These testimonials add to the 2017 conversation in which he told a friend that he knew what happened to the girl. Finally, the precedents for sexual abuse are beyond doubt.’

La procura tedesca: “Maddie McCann è morta abbiamo le prove”, Brueckner “Io non l’ho uccisa”

(Note,I was trying to find if he had access to a car or used Public transportation,used GT)

ETA:”L’uomo era stato arrestato a Milano il 28 settembre 2018 nei pressi del consolato tedesco su mandato di arresto internazionale emesso dal Tribunale di Flensburg il 19 settembre di quell’anno.(date of arrest)
Scomparsa di Maddie McCann, si indaga su un nuovo sospetto

The Italian text says: "I bambini si possono uccidere". That should be translated as "children may be killed" / "it is allowed (possible) to kill children".

I'll have more time later on to go in depth into the Italian items ....

 

[sleuth-d-]

I have a question about dna. CB has had numerous convictions against him in Germany...
04/05/1992 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
09/11/1992 - Theft (Court of Wurzburg)
06/05/1993 - Theft and driving without a licence (Court of Wurzburg)
13/10/1994 - Child sexual abuse (Court of Wurzburg)
G 27/12/2005 - Driving without insurance and violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Pforzheim)
17/11/2010 - Falsification of documents (Court of Hannover)
06/10/2011 - Drug dealing/Trafficking (Court of Niebull)
28/01/2013 - Theft (Court of Hannover)
G 14/03/2013 - Violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Braunschweig)
15/07/2015 - Attempted theft (Court of Braunschweig)
16/02/2016 - Child sexual abuse and possession of child (Court of Braunschweig)
08/06/2016 - Drink driving, driving without insurance and falsification of documents (Court of Helmstedt)

https://cdn-ondemand.rtp.pt/nas2.share/informacao/2020/wultimasbruckner_0307ww_289109.mp4

27/02/2017 – Aggression (Court of Braunschweig)
G 2019 December. CB rape of 72 year old case.

so my question is, In Germany would CB’s dna be taken as part of the investigation of any of those offences?

 

[snowpea666]

It's a good "nutshell"profile but very reductive - I'd like to see a more detailed profile, so I would be very wary about sticking a single paragraph on to CB.

I think to be cunning and manipulative you have to be kind of clever, maybe not super intelligent, but clever, he has no moral compass its totally gone from him, and from a young age, he is self-serving and would as they say sell his granny for a penny ! He is cold and uses logic, rather than emotion, its like he is empty, hollow, Id say this man has demons so embedded within him that I don't think he could ever change, I do think he would do anything as was driven by money and weird power, He stole, he was prob a gigolo with older women in PDL, Id say he did make vids to sell on the DW, I'd also say if anyone wanted a job done he would be the man, even taking kids, I don't think he is a Paedo, I think everything is game for him, he takes what he wants either for personal use or mainly money, the rapes we know about were filmed, the animals filmed, money IMO is number 1 to CB, and of course, he is a total Psychopath, but not that stupid.

 

[MelodyNelson]

so my question is, In Germany would CB’s dna be taken as part of the investigation of any of those offences?

He's already been convicted of rape based on the DNA, that's the case he is currently appealing. So, yes, they do have his DNA. Now they need something to compare it to in MM case.

 

[snowpea666]

He's been caught by police stealing diesel. They easily located him in Italy. He admitted to judge he had been sentenced as minor in Germany, something that judge could hardly know and if anything would upgrade his punishment. Then he told judge to "F*ck off". He was easily caught, identified, surrounded and in police hand's when he had an international warrant.

Just a few thoughts, Ted. I guess enough for you to agree he's an impulsive offender FBI profilers are talking about.

But how many times before did he rob diesel and get away with it ? look at the countless crimes he commits and never caught? the rapes, 1 hair found , only 1, all the drug deals, and id say only tip of things, who knows what else?

 

[Arnie M]

I've decided to unsubscribe and check back in a month. The thread moves to fast to keep up with and nothing is happening in the case.

Me too .... I just plodded through hundreds of posts about nothing.

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[sleuth-d-]

having looked more closely at the Sandra F film. and doing some more google translating, yet more links with the 72 year old and HB. if any more were even needed. these crimes are so similar, at first i thought i was reading about the same attack. if nothing else, CB really needs to stand trial for the HB rape.

taken from bedroom to kitchen.
dragged by the hair.
tied by the waist.
tied until immobile
he brought a backpack. camera in the bag. and a small, black "whip"
clothes cut off with scissors.

give away point with the scissors. they belonged to the 72 year old. but she kept them in a shoe box by her bed. CB was only there 15 minutes, surely no time to look in every box for scissors. this pretty much shows CB had been in the house before, imo. and HB was sure her attacker had prior knowledge of her home too.

72 year old also confirms the filming was done with a small, silver camera. set up 3 metres away, on top of her TV.

27mins09secs
Sexta às 9 Episódio 23 - de 26 Jun 2020 - RTP Play - RTP

one thing that has always bugged me. she is always referred to as being 72. yet in the film, Sandra is looking at police reports that say she is 73. the only explanation i can think of is that she turned 73 between being attacked and being interviewed by LE. otherwise it is really poor that MSM all got her age wrong.

 

[sleuth-d-]

He's already been convicted of rape based on the DNA, that's the case he is currently appealing. So, yes, they do have his DNA. Now they need something to compare it to in MM case.

thanks. i am more interested in knowing whether German LE had his DNA before 2019.

 

[Betty_Boop88]

Me too .... I just plodded through hundreds of posts about nothing.

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It’s not an airport, folks. No need to announce your departure

 

[Anxala]

She just didn’t want to get involved IMO the press attention was just too much

Any chance she was frightened and had asked her name not be published originally?

I would think the above is the likeliest explanation. She obviously gave her statement and signed off on the content of it but probably never expected the likely type of subsequent press intrusion and harrassment she no doubt experienced. And for a retired, private individual whose only 'crime' was to live above the apartment from which MM disappeared, who could blame the poor woman.

 

[tedtink]

I read it under the video
"Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness. Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below. But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."

This sounds an awful thing to say but she may be suffering from( early onset) dementia, or a little forgetfulness, now at this stage of her life - I realise not all old people do but it could be a possibility?

 

[snowpea666]

It was in this pic someone upthread said they thought the could see a child. Look next to the fitness ball on the floor, the faint swirly lines could appear to show shape of child sitting with legs out straight and crossed at the ankles

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/56874674-6462-41cc-8f80-7550546c0e0b-jpeg.254680/

Looks to me like something has be edited out of the pic ?