Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #11

[mrjitty]

I think we just have to wait to see what comes out. In reality Wolters has said nothing more than what he said when all this started.

 

[peanutJelly]

In September 2018 CB was arrested in Milan. Interview by a Carabiniere who arrested him.

Reporter: When you received a request by German LE to arrest CB, what did you know about him?

Carabiniere: He was unknown to us. We received the request without explanation.
CB had presented himself at the German Consolate requesting a copy of his ID documents. In fact, CB had not communicated any info about himself to the Consolate, such as tel. nr., address in Milan etc. We were informed that he was a fugitive and convict for drug trafficking. So we worked together with the Germans and organised an appointment at the Consolate for CB to collect his documents. A judge in Germany had issued the arrest warrant.

Reporter: How did CB behave when he was arrested and when he was transported to the police station?

Carabiniere: At first he was surprised. Once at the station we explained why he was arrested. He reacted quite relieved after that explanation and asked permission to contact his lawyer in Germany. He looked as a homeless person, it looked as if he had slept outside for days, he was rundown. The only things he was carrying along were his small backpack with a bible in it, some personal stuff, he didn’t have any money, no documents, no mobile phone, so he was very anonymus.

Reporter: He was extradited very soon after ending CB’s traces in Italy. Do you know for how long CB had been residing in Italy and for what purpose he was here in Italy, in Milan?

Carabiniere: we have no idea, he left no traces. Perhaps, if he would have committed a crime, then he would have left a trace, we would be able to find something.

No phone, no money? We know he likes to hide his stuff and not tell people about it, could he have stuff stashed away somewhere in Italy?!

Or, has he upset some dodgy people and was trying to remain in hiding? Italy still seems like an unusual location for him, based on his timeline IMO

 

[mrjitty]

I checked with some native speakers and they agree Wolters was more likely referring to the securing of forensic evidence during the crime scene investigation

 

[photographer4]

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Sandra F says she will this week reveal how she was implicated.

Sandra is annoying. If NF is implicated, or complicit, would she not have already been arrested? And in that case, would we not have heard about it?

 

[SuperdadV8]

No phone, no money? We know he likes to hide his stuff and not tell people about it, could he have stuff stashed away somewhere in Italy?!

Or, has he upset some dodgy people and was trying to remain in hiding? Italy still seems like an unusual location for him, based on his timeline IMO

One thing is very interesting. So carabinieri stated, C.B. was relieved, that his conviction has been done according to an arrest warrant for a drug-crime in the past.

Tells me, that he was aware, he could be arrested anytime because of much uglier actions in the past?!

 

[sleuth-d-]

One thing is very interesting. So carabinieri stated, C.B. was relieved, that his conviction has been done according to an arrest warrant for a drug-crime in the past.

Tells me, that he was aware, he could be arrested anytime because of much uglier actions in the past?!

maybe he was relieved as prison was a better option than living on the streets with no money, no phone. he had just been in a german prison for a while so could form a direct comparison between the two.

 

[Deleted member 268067]

Possible but also speculative, according the information that has been given to the public!

So they could have since uncovered forensic information they’re keeping schtum about? I wonder what happened with the saliva sample in the end...

 

[sleuth-d-]

Sandra is annoying. If NF is implicated, or complicit, would she not have already been arrested? And in that case, would we not have heard about it?

Sandra has already opened up the can of worms at the 'orphanage' which affected hundreds of children. so the question maybe is, why wasn't NF arrested back then, as part of that? maybe that is the implication.

 

[photographer4]

No phone, no money? We know he likes to hide his stuff and not tell people about it, could he have stuff stashed away somewhere in Italy?!

Or, has he upset some dodgy people and was trying to remain in hiding? Italy still seems like an unusual location for him, based on his timeline IMO

This was my thought as well. If he was relieved to be arrested and deported back home to Germany, it may be he was trying to hide from someone. He may have known there was likely to be a warrant and free ride if he presented at the consulate. He's adept at passport theft. Where did HIS passport disappear to?

 

[tedtink]

I have been wondering this for a while now... whilst interesting and helping to pass the time while we wait to hear what the concrete evidence is, I’ve been wondering if trying to work out where the van was in the pics is at all relevant to anything in this case? We don’t know that any of the pic locations are relevant at all. If anything they could have been taken to try to prove he was nowhere near the abduction site or where any other evidence is located. I do realise this will likely be an unpopular view on here, especially when so much time and debate is going into trying to work out where they were taken, but if we do find out more then it wouldn’t surprise me if the pics are not as relevant as we are researching on here.

I the van pic was released to appeal to any drug related friends or acquaintances or appeal to the ‘man’ who’s reflection was in the window.
We don’t have the date of the pic but I’m sure LE must have.
IF CB used that port to pick up ‘packages’ regularly he may have got to know people there. IMO

 

[tedtink]

I checked with some native speakers and they agree Wolters was more likely referring to the securing of forensic evidence during the crime scene investigation

So I think LE have retested the hairs found in 5a and maybe the fingerprint on the shutter.
The tests are much more advanced now so they could well have secured a match.
Perhaps this is what they mean when they say the evidence is complete?

 

[Cherwell]

See I don't think that is what he was saying at all.
He is saying he doesn't need a JIT at this time because the crime scene is long since closed down and there are no other opportunities for forensic evidence gathering.
Meanwhile they are clearly continuing to analyse evidence and new leads they have - which are coming directly to them from human sources.
He was speaking in the context of the JIT - which is the danger of google translate.
If for instance, they got a lead on where a body might be in Portugal, clearly they would then need assistance from PJ to help look for it.

What's a JIT? I must have missed it.

 

[Chiatos]

This was my thought as well. If he was relieved to be arrested and deported back home to Germany, it may be he was trying to hide from someone. He may have known there was likely to be a warrant and free ride if he presented at the consulate. He's adept at passport theft. Where did HIS passport disappear to?

I don't think that he was relieved to be deported to Germany. He had just fled from Germany and was hiding from German LE.
I think he was relieved that the arrest was made on drug charges and not on sex assault charges. He was (and still is) trying to hide his horriffic sex crimes.

 

[Chiatos]

Sandra is annoying. If NF is implicated, or complicit, would she not have already been arrested? And in that case, would we not have heard about it?[/QUOTE]
I can't wait to hear more from Sandra. IMO NF and her father are sleazy. It wouldn't surprise me if she provided CB some kind of alibi or whatever she has done to be called his partner in crime.

 

[Newthoughts]

But we know they don’t have forensic evidence so presumably “finished evidence” means no forensics because they know for a fact that none could exist (now...)

They've said they have no forensic evidence to prove she's dead but nothing at all about what else they have. They have also said they have concrete evidence that she is dead.

So I read that as no body which as far as I can tell would be the only certain way you gain forensic evidence of death. The only concrete evidence I could think of is if he filmed what happened. Which would be concrete evidence but not the absolute evidence provided by a body

We don't know what they have from the original crime scene 13 years ago.

 

[mrjitty]

So I think LE have retested the hairs found in 5a and maybe the fingerprint on the shutter.
The tests are much more advanced now so they could well have secured a match.
Perhaps this is what they mean when they say the evidence is complete?

BIB

He didn't say the evidence was complete. It's a mis-translation

 

[mrjitty]

What's a JIT? I must have missed it.

Joint Investigation Team

 

[worldwatcher]

No phone, no money? We know he likes to hide his stuff and not tell people about it, could he have stuff stashed away somewhere in Italy?!

Or, has he upset some dodgy people and was trying to remain in hiding? Italy still seems like an unusual location for him, based on his timeline IMO

Took me a while to find it,because I do remember reading that Italian Police wanted to investigate CB in 2 unresolved murders.There is a footage from one on CCTV,guess when you google the name of one victim,you can see...
So imo CB was not unknown in Italy..

“But the broadcast ‘Who saw it?’ spoke more thoroughly about the presence of man in our country and raised doubts about two crimes that occurred. Brueckner was in Milan in September 2017, he was spotted in Piazza Carbonari, and investigators try to see us clearly about two unsolved murders of that period.

That of Marilena Negri, attacked and stabbed to death in the park of Villa Litta by a stranger, and that of Daniela Roveri, kidnapped and killed for no apparent reason in Bergamo, in the entrance hall of the building where she lived.’
Il pedofilo del caso Maddie in Italia dal 2017: sospetti su due omicidi irrisolti - L'Unione Sarda.it

 

[worldwatcher]

May I dare to ask for one of analyzing and zooming footage sleuths,here??

there is also -somewhere- a picture in msm,about the smashed computers in the trash he left behind.
Would/could it be useful to take a look at -that picture? Hard disks are missing?

 

[Zolex]

Took me a while to find it,because I do remember reading that Italian Police wanted to investigate CB in 2 unresolved murders.There is a footage from one on CCTV,guess when you google the name of one victim,you can see...
So imo CB was not unknown in Italy..

“But the broadcast ‘Who saw it?’ spoke more thoroughly about the presence of man in our country and raised doubts about two crimes that occurred. Brueckner was in Milan in September 2017, he was spotted in Piazza Carbonari, and investigators try to see us clearly about two unsolved murders of that period.

That of Marilena Negri, attacked and stabbed to death in the park of Villa Litta by a stranger, and that of Daniela Roveri, kidnapped and killed for no apparent reason in Bergamo, in the entrance hall of the building where she lived.’
Il pedofilo del caso Maddie in Italia dal 2017: sospetti su due omicidi irrisolti - L'Unione Sarda.it

In 2017 he was in Portugal and in prison in Germany . CB was released from prison in August 2018, so he had not much time to be in Italy in 2017. The police were observing him after they released him from prison and CB was trying to ditch the observing police. That's why he had not much possessions when they eventually arrested him. Privacy settings