Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #12

[Deleted member 268067]

Fraenkel and Meisser
Frankel and Meissner
that is into pretty big coincidence territory. imo.

I know next to nothing about German names but given how frequently the media drops the e in Brueckner I wonder if Frankel and Fraenkel are near enough interchangeable?

 

[misty48]

just to be clear. i am not saying that the call was necessarily made from portugal. i am merely saying the phone has a portuguese number... so it is v likely it was bought/first registered in portugal. which means if the person using the phone, actually bought the phone - then they were in portugal when they bought the phone. phew! )))

AFAIK it's the SIM rather than the phone itself which is important. You could purchase a pre-paid SIM card for use a specific country in 2007 & the phone number would connect to the network in that country. As long as your phone was unlocked i.e. had an open network then you didn't need a new phone but you would need to keep a note of the temporary new phone number attached to the SIM card. It was a lot more cost effective than roaming charges in Europe at the time. The card could have been purchased at an airport outlet in Portugal.

 

[misty48]

just to be clear. i am not saying that the call was necessarily made from portugal. i am merely saying the phone has a portuguese number... so it is v likely it was bought/first registered in portugal. which means if the person using the phone, actually bought the phone - then they were in portugal when they bought the phone. phew! )))

Deleted. Double post.

 

[Tim N]

I might be mixed up, but are we leaning towards NF and MT being the people who were tasked with retrieving evidence from his house whilst he was in prison in 2006 - including the video camera?

If so, we’re then saying that NF was still happy to be his partner in crime following her viewing that video in full knowledge of what had happened. Or do we assume she already knew full well what he was a capable of? It’s said there was, on that camera, video of violent sex act/ rape of an older lady (as we know) a girl who appeared 15-20 and a woman who was 30-40. They sat on that evidence for a long time.

Presumably it was MT who finally came forward with the truth following the MM confession in a bar. But why then unless he knew that someone had confessed that? Did he actually wait until CB had left the country?

It makes me wonder if the story around the confession - whereby CB confessed and then showed a video of the rape of the older US lady (which has never quite added up) is in fact bending the truth. What if CB confessed
to MT in 2017 on the anniversary but MT had in fact already seen the video and only then had the confidence to shop him?

remember that whilst they did say what was on the USB, they didnt say that that was all that was on it.

 

[Tim N]

I am away for a couple of weeks but glued to this board. I am shocked with the news about NF.
Now, does anyone remember a story where a holidaymaker stopped "a gipsy woman" stealing their child. Was this in PDL?
NFs involvement would mean Madeleine was taken to order but this doesn't exactly match HCWs view!!!!
Or was she taken for videos?
But they could have let her go, they could have dropped her somewhere once they knew she was a hot news.

thats what im leaning towards. he made more money doing snuff or other sicko videos and all his mates and a bunch of viewers are all implicated.

 

[Tim N]

This forum is brilliant.

It is obvious that these people are shady characters but there is not one bit of evidence that would stand up in court and secure a conviction for CB against MM

with respect please have a good read through the forums. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The specific details are known by the police and can pin CB. They probably can pin numerous people.

They may need a body for a conviction of one or more people, thats true. But dont assume that no public info means they dont know.

Whatever public info they release is strategic, without doubt. We can only speculate here but you have to accept that the police have far more info and resources than we do..they were following him around for months before anything public came out...as an example.

 

[Loobyloo]

From my understanding it was RS who was abusive towards NF,that she was seen with a broken arm and covered in bruises at the time they were living together.

You're right - I'd misread that. Thanks for the correction

 

[Tim N]

I totally agree

I fear that the MM case will never be solved

There are thousands of posts on here that are all pure speculation and just highlighting petty crimes and peoples movements

Somebody must know something incriminating. Or do they ?

every post has to be speculation to a certain extent as if it wasnt then itd be fact.

What there is here is people putting together plausible versions of events that fit the facts, but also fit the psychology of events.

The current theme is if CB worked alone or as part of a dark web type group. Just this year 30,000 sickos in germany ere busted serving thousands of terabytes of sicko material to the dark web.

There's loads of facts in the speculation because the less facts, the more speculative it is. The best theories are the ones that have the least speculation. some are compelling.

 

[Tim N]

I find it strange that any criminal would destroy the sort of material they seem to have found without good reason.

Imagine having videos like that to use against someone like CB. For money, free drugs etc.

So could those videos also have implicated them in some way?

absolbloodylutely. and thats why the whole case is difficult to solve. they arent the only ones that have things to hide.

 

[haden]

I know next to nothing about German names but given how frequently the media drops the e in Brueckner I wonder if Frankel and Fraenkel are near enough interchangeable?

Maybe I am thinking too much into it but FRANKEL is FRANK EL, similar to EL FRANCES - Antonio Toscano's suspect, who was out of the area and had an alibi but I always thought the name given by AT to police was different to the person he originally described.

 

[Tim N]

Then what does she have on him that he hasn't gone with plausible deniability and sold her to LE yet?
I do think though its possible a woman went in, got the kid and took her to CB. MM was used to being cared for by others at the creche. Probably by people she didn't even know from day to to day... this probably wouldn't have seemed odd to her - a woman coming in at night....

and we have another candidate for a person who has reason to be deceptive when and if interviewed.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Police mugshots of CB taken in Faro in 1999 are in the mirror online. Can’t link it in.

 

[haden]

Police mugshots of CB taken in Faro in 1999 are in the mirror online. Can’t link it in.

Pictures prove Portuguese police knew Madeleine McCann suspect's sordid past

 

[Tim N]

That’s what I’m wondering... is there something here or it is just a real violent crime hotspot?

i did a post of the number of paedophiles amongst us that was hotly debated. i pulled the info from unbiased sources (mostly wiki but each reference used was sound to my reckoning).
the result was that there are a lot of paedophiles and PdLuz had more than their fair share of them.

FTR the number of paedophiles in Portugal is 85000 based on assuming that 5% of adult men are paedophiles. (10million people, half are female, 2/3 are not in right age group). we can debate this but my point is that the numbers are not very assuring.

Anecdotally this coordinated behaviour has been the MO for many many cases like this.

like a pack of wolves waiting for a lamb to stray from the flock....

thats all im saying..

 

[Deleted member 268067]

i did a post of the number of paedophiles amongst us that was hotly debated. i pulled the info from unbiased sources (mostly wiki but each reference used was sound to my reckoning).
the result was that there are a lot of paedophiles and PdLuz had more than their fair share of them.

FTR the number of paedophiles in Portugal is 85000 based on assuming that 5% of adult men are paedophiles. (10million people, half are female, 2/3 are not in right age group). we can debate this but my point is that the numbers are not very assuring.

Anecdotally this coordinated behaviour has been the MO for many many cases like this.

like a pack of wolves waiting for a lamb to stray from the flock....

thats all im saying..

Are you saying that in general it’s an accepted statistic that 1 in 20 men is a pedophile?

 

[Tim N]

Possibly a fetish considering he dressed up too but it's also a way of hiding oneself.
There's a saying that your eyes are a window into your soul and it's true. Our eyes can show around a 3rd of all micro expressions on our faces and not being able to see someones eyes, we cannot infer what emotions they are displaying - also it's very intimidating not being able to see someones eyes, (as if rape wasn't intimidating enough!)
Also CB may have been hiding his own insecurities by wearing goggles, maybe body dysmorphia, due to his scars or his general feelings of inadequacy. It would possibly have made him feel more 'powerful' in a sense.
I realise his scars would have been exposed, but that's not how it works, you literally hide 'the self' behind goggles, sunglasses, whatever, which makes someone gain a level of security, if that makes sense.

has anyone explored the possibility that the goggles were one way coated?
maybe provide hiding the eyes but allowing vision through the other side..?..
maybe google something to see if such a paint/coating exists..i know there are photoreactive lenses...
hmmm?

 

[Tim N]

Are you saying that in general it’s an accepted statistic that 1 in 20 men is a pedophile?

please feel free to google it. thats the figure that the psychs go with it seems.
it is for adult males remember. the number for adult females is about 0.5%..

 

[Deleted member 268067]

please feel free to google it. thats the figure that the psychs go with it seems.
it is for adult males remember. the number for adult females is about 0.5%..

God I hate the world. I might duck out for a bit again.

 

[tedtink]

Are you saying that in general it’s an accepted statistic that 1 in 20 men is a pedophile?

No, this research was based on a study by Dr Michael Seto 2008. I do remember it being challenged at the time.
So many variables were taken into account and it has since been updated and revised down to 1%.
I found an interesting article regarding the update and well worth a read.
How many men are paedophiles?

 

[Loobyloo]

Pictured: 'Girlfriend accomplice' of McCann suspect is seen for first time since being unmasked | Daily Mail Online

shes not talking tho..... b****
can they make her? they suspect it was her he was on the phone to for half an hour apparently too

I can't read Daily Mail stuff (ad blocked) but are they talking about NF here? If so, I think that claim conflicts with German LE's statements that the phone which called CB's phone was not in the area of PdL.