Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #14

[MENDEL]

The first report linked here from the Daily Star said a prisoner transporter was at the scene as well as the forensics and excavators. Not sure it's the most reputable news source as none of the others have mentioned it but if true somebody in custody might have cracked. I don't think it would be CB tho. Too risky

Why too risky? He would be escorted by a large police team with heavy duty weapons.

But some people might be chilling... IMHO.

 

[HayLouise]

NEW THIS MORNING: Police in Germany are searching a garden area near the city of Hanover as part of the #MadeleineMcCann investigation:

Madeleine McCann: German police search garden near Hanover - CNN

(Video)

https://twitter.com/hlntv/status/1288093395861278720?s=21

 

[HayLouise]

Madeleine McCann: German police search garden in Hanover

Madeleine McCann police search German allotment

 

[HayLouise]

Madeleine McCann: German police are today in the midst of a "large-scale" operation searching an allotment in #Hanover.

Spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office in Braunschweig said: “The procedure is taking place in connection with our investigation regarding Maddie McCann,”.

(video)

https://twitter.com/rtuknews/status/1288093157943644169?s=21

 

[Deleted member 238128]

he handed her to someone.

Is this based on a report? Fast moving threads - catching up!

 

[Chiatos]

Looks like they're removing LOTS of soil at the Kleingarten!

 

[arrogantcat]

I’m a little confused by the conflicting reports calling it both a garden and an allotment. Sky news are reporting there’s a bungalow and small shed on the land, and they’re having to cut trees down for access.

Does anyone have any clarity on this?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Looks like they're removing LOTS of soil at the Kleingarten!

Yes. For me as a german, i see a "not that usual" amount of police in the video for a small allotment. Hard to imagine, that large scale operation is ongoing, just because of a assumption. Seems like, some (jail?)bird has twittered. I hope they finally get something to nail a suspect.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I’m a little confused by the conflicting reports calling it both a garden and an allotment. Sky news are reporting there’s a bungalow and small shed on the land, and they’re having to cut trees down for access.

Does anyone have any clarity on this?

It is not a garden. It is an allotment or so called small-garden-parcels. They are common in germany. Lot of people working and living in bigger towns use them for leisure at the weekends. Most of them got bungalows and smaller houses to live in at the weekends.

These areas are called "Kleingartensparte". Like in the pic attached!

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Lots of people have little allotments in their home garden area.
SKY News reporting that the Prosecutor is on site. They certainly think something is buried there! X

 

[Deleted member 238128]

Lots of people have little allotments in their home garden area.
SKY News reporting that the Prosecutor is on site. They certainly think something is buried there! X

This is starting to feel very different to all previous searches/ digs.

 

[Chiatos]

I’m a little confused by the conflicting reports calling it both a garden and an allotment. Sky news are reporting there’s a bungalow and small shed on the land, and they’re having to cut trees down for access.

Does anyone have any clarity on this?

It's a patch of land for private use, for instance to grow some veggies, or to just simply use for recreational purposes. The presence of a shed is practical.
This specific Kleingarten or "garden patch" is in a wooded area. So its purpose most probably was recreational use.

 

[MENDEL]

Was ist ein Kleingarten?

Das Bundeskleingartengesetz (BkleingG) gibt in § 1 folgende Formulierung:

§ 1 Begriffsbestimmung:
Ein Kleingarten ist ein Garten, der

1. zur nichterwerbsmäßigen gärtnerischen Nutzung, insbesondere zur Gewinnung von Gartenbauerzeugnissen für den Eigenbedarf, und zur Erholung dient (Kleingärtnerische Nutzung) und
2. in einer Anlage liegt, in der mehrere Einzelgärten mit gemeinschaftlichen Einrichtungen, zum Beispiel Wegen, Spielflächen und Vereinshäusern, zusammengefasst sind (Kleingartenanlage).

So it's an allotment used for non-commercial horticulture within a complex with facilities like paths.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Goodness, what a big police force. They also will keep digging on tommorow!

Hannover - Fall Maddie: Polizei durchsucht Kleingarten mit Baggern

 

[Victoria Chambers]

This is starting to feel very different to all previous searches/ digs.

Yes. There is a LOT of LE vehicles on the road alongside the search site. X

 

[SuperdadV8]

Was ist ein Kleingarten?

Das Bundeskleingartengesetz (BkleingG) gibt in § 1 folgende Formulierung:

§ 1 Begriffsbestimmung:
Ein Kleingarten ist ein Garten, der

1. zur nichterwerbsmäßigen gärtnerischen Nutzung, insbesondere zur Gewinnung von Gartenbauerzeugnissen für den Eigenbedarf, und zur Erholung dient (Kleingärtnerische Nutzung) und
2. in einer Anlage liegt, in der mehrere Einzelgärten mit gemeinschaftlichen Einrichtungen, zum Beispiel Wegen, Spielflächen und Vereinshäusern, zusammengefasst sind (Kleingartenanlage).

It's a place, that is only for gardening and recreational purpose and not for daily living like in your homestead.

 

[Sharkbite]

Shark. The robbed women told "Sexta às 9" in September or October 2007 they met NF and CB in Lisbon and they behaved like a romantic pair. NF told them CB was her daughter's father and her husband. She told daughter was from her former husband who died while she was pregnant and CB offered to father her. RN was her next daughter's father, born in 2009.

NF has never been married until 2009 at least as her daughter's birth register states "solteira", that is single, so she must have never been married.

No one knows about NS's letters from court in Lisbon. All letters look the same unless Silva could see contents. Court letter may relate to criminal action, witnessing, property action, family action (NS's sons), heritage and much more many things. When couple left house there were many things related to drugs left inside. Maybe court proceedings had to do with that.

CB lived at Foral from March to December 2007. But's it's controversial where exactly. Outside in van and NF offered water and power supply or inside house. According to Foral's couple they he lived with her. But Foral's couple is imprecise on dates and never mentions Mathias, NF's partner until 2007, who pais Foral's rents.

"Silva added that at the time a German women named Nicole lived there with her boyfriend Roman" (May 2007)
EXCLUSIVE: Footage of property where paedophile and suspect Christian Brueckner lived in the months after Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

So that would mean that NF dropped RN for CB from March-Dec 2007.
However in the middle of this whirlwind romance in June, CB is working at the restaurant and doing odd jobs for neighbors in exchange for showers and meals and sleeping in his VW according to AD,
British woman claims Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'targeted her' | Daily Mail Online

A couple of months later the CB/NF romance is back on with NF running around saying CB is going to be the adoptive father to JF i assume?
All this going on while RN is still still living at the house?

NF/CB romance obviously didn't work out so NF got back together with RN and had a L**** with him in 2009?

This whole scenario seems very unlikely.

DF said that CB turned up in the Winnebago to refill/recharge "in the months before" May 03. This also would indicate that CB was not actually living at the house in Foral from March. DF's sighting could have also been April as that is also one of "the months" before May 03.

CB was living in his VW in BSJ in February according to MT
The VW is also guesstimated to have been in Malaga in the same period.

Don't forget AB said that CB often talked about Maria and how he was missing Maria, not a Nicole. This was late 2007, so at the same time the supposed NF/CB romance died.

 

[Dlk79]

"Silva added that at the time a German women named Nicole lived there with her boyfriend Roman" (May 2007)
EXCLUSIVE: Footage of property where paedophile and suspect Christian Brueckner lived in the months after Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

So that would mean that NF dropped RN for CB from March-Dec 2007.
However in the middle of this whirlwind romance in June, CB is working at the restaurant and doing odd jobs for neighbors in exchange for showers and meals and sleeping in his VW according to AD,
British woman claims Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'targeted her' | Daily Mail Online

A couple of months later the CB/NF romance is back on with NF running around saying CB is going to be the adoptive father to JF i assume?
All this going on while RN is still still living at the house?

NF/CB romance obviously didn't work out so NF got back together with RN and had a L**** with him in 2009?

This whole scenario seems very unlikely.

DF said that CB turned up in the Winnebago to refill/recharge "in the months before" May 03. This also would indicate that CB was not actually living at the house in Foral from March. DF's sighting could have also been April as that is also one of "the months" before May 03.

CB was living in his VW in BSJ in February according to MT
The VW is also guesstimated to have been in Malaga in the same period.

Don't forget AB said that CB often talked about Maria and how he was missing Maria, not a Nicole. This was late 2007, so at the same time the supposed NF/CB romance died.

JMO but I think Maria is the british ex-gf who he had dinner with on May 2nd and made the comments about the "horrible job" and "won't see me for a while". I also think if CB and NF were an item, this took place after CB stayed with AB in Augsburg. Why do you think it was before?

 

[MENDEL]

"Silva added that at the time a German women named Nicole lived there with her boyfriend Roman" (May 2007)
EXCLUSIVE: Footage of property where paedophile and suspect Christian Brueckner lived in the months after Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

So that would mean that NF dropped RN for CB from March-Dec 2007.
However in the middle of this whirlwind romance in June, CB is working at the restaurant and doing odd jobs for neighbors in exchange for showers and meals and sleeping in his VW according to AD,
British woman claims Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'targeted her' | Daily Mail Online

A couple of months later the CB/NF romance is back on with NF running around saying CB is going to be the adoptive father to JF i assume?
All this going on while RN is still still living at the house?

NF/CB romance obviously didn't work out so NF got back together with RN and had a L**** with him in 2009?

This whole scenario seems very unlikely.

DF said that CB turned up in the Winnebago to refill/recharge "in the months before" May 03. This also would indicate that CB was not actually living at the house in Foral from March. DF's sighting could have also been April as that is also one of "the months" before May 03.

CB was living in his VW in BSJ in February according to MT
The VW is also guesstimated to have been in Malaga in the same period.

Don't forget AB said that CB often talked about Maria and how he was missing Maria, not a Nicole. This was late 2007, so at the same time the supposed NF/CB romance died.

All too confusing about precise dates. Yes AB likely was talking about late 2007 and Maria. But CB had another girlfriend who he might accumulate with NF and to whom he augured, perhaps on May 2, 2007, "tomorrow I'll have an horrendous job to do in PDL". The one who paid all 1.300€ rents since beginning until Dec. 2007 when he dumped NF was Mathias.

 

[dotr]

Madeleine McCann: German police search garden in Hanover

Police officers searching the garden plot in Hanover. Photograph: Alexander Koerner/Getty Images