Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[Sillybilly]

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[BIZCOCHO]

Maybe it was already posted here but I hadn't seen this description, have you?

"The man is described as follows: he has a pockmarked face, smoker's teeth and bitten nails, scars on his right leg (thigh and hip), moles all over his body. Christian B. has thick blond hair. He is 1.82 meters tall and slim. He speaks Franconian dialect and can speak Portuguese."

Fall Maddie: Christian B. missbrauchte Tochter (5) seiner Ex-Freundin

 

[peanutJelly]

Maybe it was already posted here but I hadn't seen this description, have you?

"The man is described as follows: he has a pockmarked face, smoker's teeth and bitten nails, scars on his right leg (thigh and hip), moles all over his body. Christian B. has thick blond hair. He is 1.82 meters tall and slim. He speaks Franconian dialect and can speak Portuguese."

Fall Maddie: Christian B. missbrauchte Tochter (5) seiner Ex-Freundin

Doesn’t say where this description has come from which is a shame

 

[BIZCOCHO]

Doesn’t say where this description has come from which is a shame

It seems like a defense strategy to discredit possible testimonies. IMO.

Regardless of the source, it is detrimental to potential victims.

 

[mrjitty]

My understanding was that BKA asked PJ for any other sexual assault cases around the Algarve back in 2019 and this was one they began investigating for a possible link.

Then, following the recent appeal on CB this year, the victim of that assault came forward to say she thinks it was CB who carried it out.

That said, if they began investigating in 2019, you would have thought part of that investigation mighy involve them approaching the victim to ask if they recognised CB?

This is the stuff I find strange. Why is this allegation floated in public yet there is no charge?

If the victim 99% thinks its him, then thats enough to charge. If you aren't ready to charge then this should be kept confidential.

Instead once again LE floats his guilt in the media on a crime he isn't charged with.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Doesn’t say where this description has come from which is a shame

Good morning. Thread is open again. Great!

According to the following article, the description is taken from criminal records of the suspect. Due to the fact, some of his former pals have been interrogated in the past, that special description could have been made by MS, MT and HB or an ex gf.

Fall Maddie McCann: Einbrecher überführten Christian B. als Vergewaltiger

 

[mrjitty]

CB has occupied more than two allotments. There are three allotments that we know of.

RSBM

Do you have a link for the 3rd one please?

I thought he had 2 different ones in the Braunschweig area - and visited one with his girlfriend when he lived in Hannover

 

[mrjitty]

These typical small wooden huts have been used for years to abuse children and produce child in Lügde and Münster. Both are actual bigger german cases. Including the case in Bergisch Gladbach you can say, there is a big strike against these horrible things and you would be very surprised, how often allotments play a role in these cases!

OK - I take your word for it!

My guess is the first Braunschweig allotment was mainly about having no job or flat, and wanting to lay low after his offending in Portugal. We still don't know exactly why he came back to Germany.

 

[Chiatos]

RSBM

Do you have a link for the 3rd one please?

I thought he had 2 different ones in the Braunschweig area - and visited one with his girlfriend when he lived in Hannover

The other one being at the old box factory. Not an official Kleingarten, but nevertheless an allotment.

 

[Chiatos]

A known German football trainer is also involved in child .
I read it today in our local newspaper but apparently it had been discovered already a year ago:
Kinderporno-Bilder auf Handy gefunden: Ex-Nationalspieler Metzelder wird angeklagt

 

[mrjitty]

The other one being at the old box factory. Not an official Kleingarten, but nevertheless an allotment.

OK

That would not be seen as a Schrebergarten over here. The "Schrebergartens" are groups of allotments managed by a Verein - they tend to be small, with little huts on them, and quite dense - you have little separation from your neighbors, and they are leasehold.

His "box factory" seemed more secluded, and he owned it.

 

[enjy15]

Sorry if this is against the rules as it doesn't have an official source but the link no longer works. I was rummaging back on old posts in 2013 and there was post about break-ins in the local area before MM was abducted.
I tried to click the link to the source but it seems the link is dead now but the poster says about a young white man with short fair hair committing burglaries. I know it's a general description and a lot of people would fit that but it does also fit CB who was committing burglaries at the time. I think it's likely he entered via window and left via the front door with MM and it was an opportunist crime.

Admin Note: added the following link to WS member haden's post dated October 18, 2013:

Crimes in the Portuguese resort prior to abduction..

 

[MENDEL]

Sorry if this is against the rules as it doesn't have an official source but the link no longer works. I was rummaging back on old posts in 2013 and there was post about break-ins in the local area before MM was abducted.
I tried to click the link to the source but it seems the link is dead now but the poster says about a young white man with short fair hair committing burglaries. I know it's a general description and a lot of people would fit that but it does also fit CB who was committing burglaries at the time. I think it's likely he entered via window and left via the front door with MM and it was an opportunist crime.

Here you have the news:

Madeleine McCann - leads pour in after BBC Crimewatch - The Portugal News

 

[MENDEL]

Here you have the news:

Madeleine McCann - leads pour in after BBC Crimewatch - The Portugal News

Are you sure anyone entered or left through any window on May 3, 2007? I'm surprised to have learned from case reviewing that no police officer ever saw that window open when they arrived. They photographed it and it was closed and shutters down. Only left curtain was displaced. This is it when police first saw window (it was open according to witnesses, they say in caption):

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_16.jpg

 

[Anxala]

...but the poster says about a young white man with short fair hair committing burglaries. I know it's a general description and a lot of people would fit that but it does also fit CB who was committing burglaries at the time. I think it's likely he entered via window and left via the front door with MM and it was an opportunist crime.

A burglar entered through a window that absolutely no evidence exists had been tampered with/opened from the outside and then, rather than burgling, decided instead to abduct a small child?

Hmm.

The window nor the blind had been tampered with (or jimmied! or smashed! or any other hysterical descriptive posited by the McCanns and/or their numerous relatives in the immediate aftermath of MM's disappearance). Even their own spokesman later confirmed it was all a 'misunderstanding' albeit only after it was shown up to be the pile of non-jimmying nonsense it clearly was.

It's a little perplexing, to put it mildly, that this 'entry through window' is still doing the rounds, 13 whole years after the event.

 

[peanutJelly]

A burglar entered through a window that absolutely no evidence exists had been tampered with/opened from the outside and then, rather than burgling, decided instead to abduct a small child?

Hmm.

The window nor the blind had been tampered with (or jimmied! or smashed! or any other hysterical description posited by the McCanns or their numerous relatives in the immediate aftermath of MM's disappearance). Even their own spokesman later confirmed it was all a 'misunderstanding' albeit only after it was shown up to be the pile of non-jimmying nonsense it clearly was.

It's a little perplexing, to put it mildly, that this 'entry through window' is still doing the rounds, 13 whole years after the event.

I think this was more about wanting to make sure police were looking for the intruder. They strongly felt MM had been taken and wouldn’t have wanted anyone to think they had left the apartment insecure, especially as they had the twins and would want to keep the family together. It just backfired by making them look suspicious, which unfortunately then distracted LE from looking for the true culprit/s. I’m sure many things were said and done at the time and afterwards with the good intention of helping to get MM back. Just because the truth was bent with good intentions, doesn’t make them guilty, just unfortunately made them look guilty in the eyes of LE and other observers.

Should CB be proven to be the culprit he will certainly have benefited from all the distractions during the investigation. All MOO.

 

[peanutJelly]

<modsnip: No need for snarky comments>
I don’t think anything was arranged to help the police. My point is that in every perspective, in each statement it’s human nature to want to direct people to your own priorities. That’s why statements to the police are often gathered multiple tines. These were a professional group of people who would be well aware that they would be prime suspects. Knowing they were innocent and wanting to make sure police focused on finding MM, of course they would focus their statements to direct the police that way, it’s a natural instinct.

The distraction of focusing on the parents meant that CBs behaviour at the time was not picked up. A known paedophile suddenly leaves the area, he’s not around when the police look him up, but at the time this was not a concern due to LE belief in the parents guilt. Even those who knew him and might have been suspicious would assume due to media coverage that the parents were culpable. All these factors would have benefitted CB at the time and afterwards. IMO

 

[Chiatos]

Are you sure anyone entered or left through any window on May 3, 2007? I'm surprised to have learned from case reviewing that no police officer ever saw that window open when they arrived. They photographed it and it was closed and shutters down. Only left curtain was displaced. This is it when police first saw window (it was open according to witnesses, they say in caption):

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_16.jpg

I do believe that he entered through the window.
That type of shutters is easy to lift for an experienced burglar. (I know this)
Edit:
I know this because it happened to my parents once.
He probably closed the window behind him and exited through the door.