Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[snowpea666]

Some news ....... Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

 

[Sharkbite]

Some news ....... Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

Isn't this just a rehash of this story from the Mirror back in June, or has she been interviewed a 2nd time?. No clues in the Star article when this interview took place.
Madeleine McCann suspect's British ex quizzed by police over time in Algarve

 

[MENDEL]

Isn't this just a rehash of this story from the Mirror back in June, or has she been interviewed a 2nd time?. No clues in the Star article when this interview took place.
Madeleine McCann suspect's British ex quizzed by police over time in Algarve

I think this is new information:

"Detectives spent 12 hours talking to his ex in the Algarve – the first time German officers have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal."

"She met two German detectives, three Portuguese officers and two translators during the interview in Faro. A friend of the woman said: “She sat down with them for 12 hours."

Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

 

[mrjitty]

The distraction of focusing on the parents meant that CBs behaviour at the time was not picked up. A known paedophile suddenly leaves the area, he’s not around when the police look him up, but at the time this was not a concern due to LE belief in the parents guilt.

Not to nitpick, but after wandering was eliminated on the first day, the police focussed very heavily on abduction - especially the Jane Tanner theory, that led to her positively identifying RM as the perpetrator. So it's incorrect that they lacked concern due to belief in the parent's guilt. Rather they focussed on a hot suspect which turned out to be a wild goose chase.

Keep in mind that RM was arrested in mid-May!

Just 15 days after the abduction - PJ made an arrest.

It really was not until July that the entire approach was reset following the case review by specialist Mark Harrison

If anything, the unreliable evidence of the Tapas group plus the unscrupulous UK media were unfortunately partly responsible for going down a rabbit hole.

 

[mrjitty]

I think this is new information:

"Detectives spent 12 hours talking to his ex in the Algarve – the first time German officers have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal."

"She met two German detectives, three Portuguese officers and two translators during the interview in Faro. A friend of the woman said: “She sat down with them for 12 hours."

Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

Yes - so that is interesting as German LE cannot operate in Portugal without permission.

 

[Pixie Child]

I think this is new information:

"Detectives spent 12 hours talking to his ex in the Algarve – the first time German officers have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal."

"She met two German detectives, three Portuguese officers and two translators during the interview in Faro. A friend of the woman said: “She sat down with them for 12 hours."

Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

I suspect there’s more cooperation from Portuguese police than we’ve been led to believe. I wonder if he will be extradited & prosecuted in Portugal.

 

[mrjitty]

MN never left forensic evidence behind.
And yet he managed to do all the stuff he did.

CB also didn't leave any forensic traces, at least that seems to be so up to now.

The only forensic trace he left behind after having raped the old lady was ONE hair. That's it. After everything that he had done in that house.

ONE hair.

He may well have left more than that, but it is hard for forensics to find everything. They can't search every inch of every room. So they check obvious surfaces that the perp might have touched or for things like hairs.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes. What you see is completely different from what was claimed by witnesses. Kate said to police room's door was completely open, window open, shutters up and curtains set apart.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_61.jpg

From her book:

"[...] the closed curtains flew up in a gust of wind. [...] the window was wide open and the shutters on the outside raised all way up."

In: "Madeleine: Our daughter's disappearance and the continuing search for her". Kate McCann. Bantam Press. 2011. Page 72.

This is really the issue with the Tapas evidence - they have contaminated each others versions by hothousing as a group, and then evolved aspects over time.

Short version - we don't really know what the state of the room was, because the tapas group and hotel staff all entered, and had the opportunity to change things long before police arrived

I personally place zero reliance on it.

 

[Sharkbite]

I think this is new information:

"Detectives spent 12 hours talking to his ex in the Algarve – the first time German officers have been allowed to work on the case in Portugal."

"She met two German detectives, three Portuguese officers and two translators during the interview in Faro. A friend of the woman said: “She sat down with them for 12 hours."

Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

Let's wait and see, no doubt all the red tops will be on it later today if it is new info.

 

[mrjitty]

Great TY! So maybe the shutter-discussion leads to nowhere. U maybe know what i mean....

BIB

Exactly!

We know an intruder could enter by walking in the unlocked door and leave by any door.

It really adds nothing to the case whether they entered via the window.

 

[mrjitty]

Because of all that, my point is that windows is an imaginary scenario. It's unsound to think otherwise. We can create as many imaginary scenarios as we like, but I prefer to use all evidence available and nothing more.

I tend to see it as irrelevant

Under the abductor scenario, we have to assume that the abductor made ingress. Checking, we discover an unlocked door whereby an abductor can enter without leaving any trace. At that point the line of inquiry takes us no further. It doesn't matter to the case whether CB opened any windows or which doors he used. It matters only that entry was 100% easy.

 

[Arnie M]

I do believe that he entered through the window.
That type of shutters is easy to lift for an experienced burglar. (I know this)
Edit:
I know this because it happened to my parents once.
He probably closed the window behind him and exited through the door.

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For what its worth I think police said the only way the window could be closed was from the inside , and the only hand prints on the inside of the window belonged to the mother.

I forget the details now but some of those things conflicted with what she said and what the evidence showed , same as the bedroom door , one time the door was discovered open , next time said she opened it and a gust of wind blew the curtains .

If it was CB who took MM we know he was slick and experienced at getting into apartments without bringing attention to himself ... so how he did it is not a big deal to me anyway

 

[Sharkbite]

Isn't this just a rehash of this story from the Mirror back in June, or has she been interviewed a 2nd time?. No clues in the Star article when this interview took place.
Madeleine McCann suspect's British ex quizzed by police over time in Algarve

She was interviewed at her current home in Lagos, Portugal, last year by police investigating Brueckner.

Sources told the Mirror she was spoken to again in recent days after his identity emerged.

So in fact it would make it the 3rd known time that LE have interviewed her if the Star is referring to a new interview.

 

[mrjitty]

If the apartment has been unlocked due to the patio door, as usual to the former evenings maybe, i do not see any need for an intruder to handle around with shutters! IMO

Agreed

Indeed this is precisely why police urge the public not to leave keys in doors because burglars will normally look for a more convenient exit

 

[Arnie M]

Some news ....... Maddie McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend interrogated as witness in probe

Some good nuggets of information in that article.

Such as ..... detectives assured the xgf that CB would be in jail for a very very long time , so she need not fear him.

They obviously have something solid against him , most likely from his stash , and the possible MM involvement is just a side possibility they check as well.

Her reluctance to speak to police indicates to me she she was exposed to some nasty stuff with CB that she does not wish to talk about , nor would she want made public.

 

[mrjitty]

But maybe if had time to sit down with accompanying friends would have more capacity to formulate an agreed approach. I think in such a desperate situation many of us would do the same as they did

My .02c on this

I believe they corrupted each others evidence without there being any explicit agreement - after all, they were not all close friends.

Take MO

In the first timeline he is only listening. But there is a problem with that if the shutter is open and the JT sighting is the abductor. He must have seen the window is open. So in the second timeline (clearly after he has heard the others give details) he now checks inside around 9.30. We know he went back to the apartments around 9.30 corroborated by RO. RO's version with hearing the sick child appears to stack up. So now MO is on his own. If he actually did not check at all (my suspicion) was he tempted to invent his check but not see MM or be too sure about the shutter status to get himself off the hook? The timing is awfully tight, but from his point of view, if JT is correct, then he can arrive after the deed, see nothing important and can't be blamed. In this way, they evolved their stories in a discussion to fit with what they were hearing, and became committed to them. But then when they had to give more detailed versions to the police, it became necessary to evolve them still further.

This is why I'd largely put the JT, DP and MO evidence in the garbage bin as 100% unreliable. I am not sure exactly what details they massaged or invented but it is clear they have changed some stuff to fit with each other. But i don't think it was a conspiracy. It was tacit.

Compared to GM and his tennis friend. They corroborate well. That's something that happened just like they said IMO.

At the end of the day there was likely as much as a 45min window for the crime.

 

[enjy15]

DMB

 

[enjy15]

Some good nuggets of information in that article.

Such as ..... detectives assured the xgf that CB would be in jail for a very very long time , so she need not fear him.

They obviously have something solid against him , most likely from his stash , and the possible MM involvement is just a side possibility they check as well.

Her reluctance to speak to police indicates to me she she was exposed to some nasty stuff with CB that she does not wish to talk about , nor would she want made public.

Is there another link to this? The page no longer exists

 

[BIZCOCHO]

Is there another link to this? The page no longer exists

They also deleted it on Twitter. I had seen the Tweet with that news an hour ago.

 

[enjy15]

They also deleted it on Twitter. I had seen the Tweet with that news an hour ago.

I wonder why they removed it?!