Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #2

[otto]

Cliff for sure.

Any thoughts about where? I think I should map this out for myself. It seems to be the only way I can get a fix on the big picture.

I've read that his place was a couple of miles from the beach. The 72 year old rape victim lived along that path. There's beach access from his path to the place where she was abducted. The Jaguar is particularly interesting.

Maybe he carried to his home and disposed of her in the trunk of the Jaguar the day after she was abducted. That same day he transferred ownership of the car to someone in Germany.

 

[otto]

I want to make more sense of this - how did he do this, where is the body.

Madeleine McCann: Villa where Christian Brueckner raped tourist | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kikixxxx]

It doesn't really matter, does it? The child disappeared while the parents were outside, nearby, visiting. They shared the task of checking on the children.

One child vanished. A German burglar and sex offender is now identified as a suspect. How he got in doesn't matter too much since we know that there was at least one unlocked entrance.

I'm more curious about the location of the body. There was a fireplace at his rental. Did he burn her body? Did he throw her off a cliff into the ocean? Is there any possibility that the body will be located?

“The dramatic development comes as it was reported paedophile Brueckner, 43, vowed on a web chat to 'grab himself a little something and abuse it for days'.

He fantasised in an online chatroom in September 2013 about kidnapping and sexual abusing a child, according to German magazine Der Spiegel.

He allegedly added it would be safer 'if the evidence is exterminated afterwards'. The German word he used, vernichten, is the same word the Nazis used for the final solution.”

the words he used here makes me think he could of burned it, “destroyed it” I noticed there were some wells outside his old apartment too. If he’s a suspect for another 2 missing children, whatever he’s doing with the body’s he’s making sure no one ever finds them, IMO that’s more likely to be burned than buried.

Madeleine McCann: Villa where Christian Brueckner raped tourist | Daily Mail Online

 

[otto]

It comes from the thought experiment I outlined upthread.

If German guy did it, via the balcony door, how do we explain the Tapa's timeline and Tanner sighting?

My point is that "evidence" was the biggest impediment to finding the truth and sent the investigation down the Murat rabbit hole.

Had they not hothoused their version in a group, PJ could have got to a more likely timeline sooner - instead it took the Met until the crime watch show to untangle all that, many years later

Remember also, the smith sighting came much later in the PJ investigation

It sounds like, every 15 of 20 minutes, many different people were popping into the apartment where Madeleine slept. They were not entering through the window, and they weren't using a key. If one more person, Christian Brueckner - roughly the same age as parents - did the same thing but left with a child through the other door, no one would notice.

 

[Satchie]

Okay, so I don't want to get too much further away from Madeleine's case, but I believe Joana's case is actually very important and ended up influencing the way the McCann investigation was conducted.
Joana was reported missing on September 12, 2004. Madeleine was reported missing on May 3, 2007. In a country like Portugal, where missing persons cases are not a common thing, let alone a missing child's case, two missing girls from 2004 to 2007 was a big deal. Joana was from Algarve, so both girls went missing in the same region of the country and that's also a big deal.
Long story short, Joana was murdered by her mother and her uncle. She was violently beaten up by both of them, they hit her in the head, she bled through her nose and eventually died. It was pretty violent. It is believed they killed her because she came back from the store, to where they send her to buy some groceries, and witnessed her mother and her uncle having incestuous sex. The uncle mutilated her body and fed it to some pigs. Her body was never found, they confessed. The uncle went into great detail. At the time, this was the most violent crime against a child commited in Portugal.
So, about Leonor Cipriano's black eyes, it was not just those awful black eyes, actually. She was all bruised up, she was clearly beaten up badly.

I believe this assault was carried by these men and Amaral knew about it. He was never sentenced for actually assaulting her, he was sentenced because he made false reports which, to me, says loud and clear that he knew his guys beat her up and tried to cover it up, which didn't really work.

Leonor Cipriano was released this Thursday: "I didn't kill my daughter"

Thanks, I agree that horrible case would be very relevant, when the prosecutor who was assigned to the MM case had pursued such a bizarre series of theories in an earlier case. Perhaps he believed all parents of missing children were engaged in wild, incestuous sex and child abuse, murdering their daughters and feeding them to pigs, etc. Also he was at the same time, actively covering up allegations his officers had tortured the mother of a different missing child. I'm amazed the conviction against the mother and uncle weren't appealed and thrown out of court, based on the methods used to gain the confessions.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Reminds me of the "Jon Benet Ramsey" case when Carr came out of the woodwork, as the perpetrator. And it lead to nothing.

INMO, people who leave their young children in bed, alone, to go out partying with friends don't get any sort of "victim" sympathy from me. I still believe that "Xanny the Nanny" was taking care of the kids and Maddie was given to much.

You may come across a crazy couple who make bad choices and ultimately pay the highest and then they plot to cover their actions. But come on, we are talking about a group of Doctors. A large number of professionals all taking their children on holiday together. All meeting up of a day and night. Looking in on each others children! Are you saying aaall of these Doctors are in on a cover-up?? Well, they would have to be since every single moment of their holiday is accounted for. They spent their time together, for their children to share each others company. There is just no way on Gods Earth that these people put their heads together and made a pact, to clean the place up, get rid of the body and to never tell a soul. It is absurd. X

 

[otto]

Just found this - map for Madeleine

Madeleine McCann Locations - Google My Maps

 

[otto]

Thanks, I agree that horrible case would be very relevant, when the prosecutor who was assigned to the MM case had pursued such a bizarre series of theories in an earlier case. Perhaps he believed all parents of missing children were engaged in wild, incestuous sex and child abuse, murdering their daughters and feeding them to pigs, etc. Also he was at the same time, actively covering up allegations his officers had tortured the mother of a different missing child. I'm amazed the conviction against the mother and uncle weren't appealed and thrown out of court, based on the methods used to gain the confessions.

I wonder where that is in relation to where he lived. Wasn't that covered on the Netflix program? I don't remember the year either.

 

[Satchie]

DBM

 

[Miya]

That's my feeling as well. If they had a good case they would have charged him.

Unfortunately the media is creating to the usual fiasco

I mean claims he is being 'linked' to the german maddie and 'flew under the radar'

Well hello German police turned him over years ago and arrested him for child but they never could connect him to inga

And when they say he was in the area he was actually at a services on the auto bahn 50 miles away

This is thin sauce and makes me nervous why german police are creating this media storm

The media isn't creating anything, police is actually investigating and looking into those other cases now because they think there might be a connection. Inga, the 6-year-old boy - it's all in the many news articles posted here that German police are investigating if he is connected to these cases as well. That's actually good police work to look at other unsolved cases where the MO fits and/or he was close. So there is no media storm created by the German police, it's done this way in every country that knows how to investigate crimes, the US does this as well if they have similar cold cases, etc.

 

[otto]

It looks like 1.8 km (1.2 M) from the suspects house to the McCann's apartment.

I think it's possible he carried her part of the way to his house, and made her walk part of it. I think it's more likely that he used the Jaguar to dispose of the body.

Do we know where he kept the Jaguar between Madeleine's disappearance and towing it behind the van to Germany? Maybe he disposed of the body closer to the place where it was parked (per changed ownership that day).

Madeleine McCann: Villa where Christian Brueckner raped tourist | Daily Mail Online

Apartment (above linked maps)

Suspect's house

 

[Miya]

Are they just putting 2 and 2 together just to get a result? Is this just circumstantial evidence, a German paedophile in the region when Madeleine disappeared?
I would doubt there’s any physical evidence?...
So strange that they have recently discovered two vehicles and two phone numbers.. what made them discover this now after 13 years?

3 years ago the case was on TV in Germany's "Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst" and now last Wednesday was on the same show again (it's a very reputable TV program that has been around for over 5 decades and is similiar to "America's Most Wanted", it was actually the first of it's kind, they are working with the police) and last Wednesday they said they got tips 3 years ago that led to CB. That's where all this is coming from and it made the headline news all over the world right after it was featured on "Aktenzeichen XY".

 

[Miya]

Because it wasn't this German guy, in my opinion. I think this is just another red herring from the McCann public relations team.

Trust me, the German police is not part of the "McCann public relations team". They investigate if they have leads. I don't get why some people don't get that this is coming from GERMAN LE and has nothing to do with the McCann's. Germany is also not a corrupt country, Germany's LE is not corrupt either. Germany is not a banana republic, like I have said before.

 

[otto]

3 years ago the case was on TV in Germany's "Aktenzeichen XY ungelöst" and now last Wednesday was on the same show again (it's a very reputable TV program that has been around for over 5 decades and is similiar to "America's Most Wanted", it was actually the first of it's kind, they are working with the police) and last Wednesday they said they got tips 3 years ago that led to CB. That's where all this is coming from and it made the headline news all over the world right after it was featured on "Aktenzeichen XY".

I've read that information came to light on the 10 year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 - something about a careless bar conversation that was reported to police.

It looks like everything investigated so far supports that information - a German man with a van and a Jaguar who was in the area at 9PM on the night of the disappearance to possibly burglarize tourist apartments.

There's probably some strange psychology that happens on anniversaries of the first murder - like Joran van der Sloot.

I've been aware of this disappearance since 2007, this is the first time I've heard of a suspect.

 

[otto]

Trust me, the German police is not part of the "McCann public relations team". They investigate if they have leads. I don't get why some people don't get that this is coming from GERMAN LE and has nothing to do with the McCann's. Germany is also not a corrupt country, Germany's LE is not corrupt either. Germany is not a banana republic, like I have said before.

He is in prison for 7 years for the rape of a 72 year old woman on the foot path from his resident to the beach. It was premeditated, and there was not enough evidence so the case was dismissed. Some time later, video emerged of the rape. Then he was arrested.

German police are looking into his past and have made connections to several possible victims, Madeleine looks likely.

This is evidence driven, not investigative family driven.

 

[Miya]

I've read that information came to light on the 10 year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance in 2017 - something about a careless bar conversation that was reported to police.

It looks like everything investigated so far supports that information - a German man with a van and a Jaguar who was in the area at 9PM on the night of the disappearance to possibly burglarize tourist apartments.

There's probably some strange psychology that happens on anniversaries of the first murder - like Joran van der Sloot.

I've been aware of this disappearance since 2007, this is the first time I've heard of a suspect.

Yeah, 3 years ago, 10 years after she went missing, the case was featured on "Aktenzeichen XY" and that's when they got the tip or tips.

 

[otto]

Christian Brückner

"In 1994, when just a teenager, he was convicted in his homeland of sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, and carrying out sexual acts in front of a child. The following year, as an 18-year-old who had just got his driving licence, he fled Germany for Portugal with a girlfriend to escape the youth custody sentence he had received, abandoning his apprenticeship as a car mechanic in the process.
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His most serious conviction was for a disturbing sexual attack on a woman at the other end of the age spectrum, however: the rape of a 72-year-old American woman whose flat was on the 1km route between his house and the beach which he walked every day. The attack took place on 2 September 2005.
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According to the documents, Brückner entered the woman’s house at about 10.30pm through the open door of her living room. He dragged her through the house, tying her down, beating her with a 30cm scimitar, raping her, and then leading her to the kitchen where he forced her to hand over money before he left by foot, taking her computer.
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Brückner’s involvement only came to light much later, after a former accomplice, with whom he had previously stolen diesel fuel, discovered a video Brückner had apparently filmed of the rape, and eventually went to police.​

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

 

[otto]

General information about the suspect:

• settled in a house on the edge of the resort of Praia da Luz – described by neighbours as rundown and cut-off, and by a friend as a “typical bachelor pad”
• sexual abuse of children, also drug-dealing, falsifying documents and driving without insurance,
• “a man of intelligent appearance, dressed in a simple grey shirt and slightly oversized jeans”. She said he was eloquent, and quoted frequently from legal text books.
• “fortune hunter”, and someone who “tried to exude something special, but at the same time didn’t make out that he was the big cheese”.
• very groomed manner, always wearing a shirt and jacket.” Some referred to him as the “maitre d’”.
• told close friends how he went after “tourist ” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

 

[mrjitty]

It sounds like, every 15 of 20 minutes, many different people were popping into the apartment where Madeleine slept. They were not entering through the window, and they weren't using a key. If one more person, Christian Brueckner - roughly the same age as parents - did the same thing but left with a child through the other door, no one would notice.

Quite possibly.

I hope we finally get answers!

 

[mrjitty]

Trust me, the German police is not part of the "McCann public relations team". They investigate if they have leads. I don't get why some people don't get that this is coming from GERMAN LE and has nothing to do with the McCann's. Germany is also not a corrupt country, Germany's LE is not corrupt either. Germany is not a banana republic, like I have said before.

Agreed - this has nothing to do with the UK at all.

It would be kind of hilarious if after all the carry on in the UK media and hype of operation grange, the germans end up solving the case!