Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

[redplanet]

Even if a burglar thinks the people are out he may as a precaution knock or ring at the door to make sure. If someone is in and comes to the door, the burglar has an excuse ready, like "oh sorry to bother you .. does Fred still live here?" or ".. I'm looking for german family". Or if no-one comes to the door he proceeds to break in and burgle the apartment. IMO.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

"first time the family left the room" cannot be 5G (elderly resident). Probably you mean 5L? Is that the apartment where a stranger knocked on the door claiming to be looking for a german family? This sounds to me like a burglar checking a place he was about to burgle?

The attempted burglary was an apartment up the stairwell, I know that much.. somebody came up the stairs and he fled from the door! Also, a burglary at an apartment in the next block occurred in the same timeframe. The criminologist says MM could have been taken in a burglary gone wrong. But he is convinced that the abductor is a stranger to the family and to the Tapas group! X

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Have these files been released to the public. Is this where CB call was discovered?? Heriberto said the McCanns and Tapas phone records were all released in original files and so he wondered what did the PJ have amongst these?

Image courtesy of public page Espacio Exterior.

 

[redplanet]

The attempted burglary was an apartment up the stairwell, I know that much.. somebody came up the stairs and he fled from the door! Also, a burglary at an apartment in the next block occurred in the same timeframe. The criminologist says MM could have been taken in a burglary gone wrong. But he is convinced that the abductor is a stranger to the family and to the Tapas group! X

At 5L up the stairwell a stranger knocked/rang at door, and afterwards it was successfully and IMO undisturbedly burgled.

 

[redplanet]

Have these files been released to the public. Is this where CB call was discovered?? Heriberto said the McCanns and Tapas phone records were all released in original files and so he wondered what did the PJ have amongst these?

Image courtesy of public page Espacio Exterior.

Yes the call allegedly received by CB is in those (mostly unreleased) 4-day phone records

 

[Monic]

Why would two German people say:
"why did you bring her here?- Now we will have to dispose of the body"

Two Germans would talk in German to each other.

 

[Newthoughts]

The only issue I see with that is the use of "we" in the sentence. Supposing an abduction did take place, and that the perp took her from A to X. Then a death happened. And now the perp takes her to B. Why would the man say "Now we need to dispose of the body"? Surely it's he needs dispose of the body! If the man had already taken her from the immediate risk of the crime scene, whatever happened next, he could have disposed of the corpse himself and so it is, and was, his responsibility. On the other hand, if someone turned up for immediate help because they had just killed someone, I can understand why the other person might use the term "we" need to get rid of the body in the sense it was unanticipated and they feel obligated to help. JMO.

Given the ambiguity of the words and lack of context there is a third interpretation - admittedly not a realistic one but a possibility. The body and the her are different people.

So a body is already there - gruesome as it sounds - and somebody has now brought a living female there meaning they would now have to dispose of that body very quickly.

Making an informed guess would need far more info on the date it was heard and the emphasises and inflections used in the phrase.

 

[Chiatos]

Why would two German people say:
"why did you bring her here?- Now we will have to dispose of the body"

Two Germans would talk in German to each other.

In fact, KH (the witness) made no mention of Germans. I believe that the man on the phone wasn't German.
(Strange phone call and strange witness account and strange timing)

 

[Victoria Chambers]

In fact, KH (the witness) made no mention of Germans. I believe that the man on the phone wasn't German.
(Strange phone call and strange witness account and strange timing)

It's strange, but many Brits go to Portugal to work and end up building a life for themselves. They socialise, they date but they do not learn to speak Portuguese. A lot of the OC' staff from the UK did need an interpreter even though their boyfriends were Portuguese! Hats off to them I suppose, I couldn't do it. I'd be on edge me. X

 

[SuperdadV8]

It has become pretty quiet in the media about the case.

No FF...
No HCW...
No GA...
Almost no british tabloids, that seem to live by moles inside police forces...

Interesting!

 

[Lilly b]

In fact, KH (the witness) made no mention of Germans. I believe that the man on the phone wasn't German.
(Strange phone call and strange witness account and strange timing)

The person on the other end of the phone could of been German though.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The person on the other end of the phone could of been German though.

Maybe german BKA has also some info about that ominous 30 minute call on may the 3rd. HCW doesn't seem to be very interested about phone-mast ranges but quoted, he has clues that place CB in OC at may the 3rd.

So he is right by saying, it would be easier for the public to understand, if it knows everything that the prsoecuters know.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Maybe german BKA has also some info about that ominous 30 minute call on may the 3rd. HCW doesn't seem to be very interested about phone-mast ranges but quoted, he has clues that place CB in OC at may the 3rd.

So he is right by saying, it would be easier for the public to understand, if it knows everything that the prsoecuters know.

It doesn't look like going public with 'clues' is enough though. 74,000 pings were recorded in that area in 72 hours and I would bet my life on it that not only CB fits the profile of the burglar/abductor.
I don't understand Why, if CB is on Vodafone, why did the network hand over to the OC mast if CB stayed within the range of Vodafone mast?? Is that normal? X

 

[Newthoughts]

It has become pretty quiet in the media about the case.

No FF...
No HCW...
No GA...
Almost no british tabloids, that seem to live by moles inside police forces...

Interesting!

Very given MM is a go to distraction story for our biased press when things aren't going well for our govt.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Very given MM is a go to distraction story for our biased press when things aren't going well for our govt.

Maybe has something to do with these European Lockdowns.. nobody in the cafes for the Journo's to gossip with! X

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It has become pretty quiet in the media about the case.

No FF...
No HCW...
No GA...
Almost no british tabloids, that seem to live by moles inside police forces...

Interesting!

It is interesting, perhaps a tactical lockdown of sorts. It seems as though something happened at the Lisbon LE meeting. Just my .02 but far from being the, “last roll of the dice,” I think the German LE probably gave up some of there info and asked the Portuguese and British for supporting info.

Perhaps it’s wishful thinking but I’m sure German LE will be charge CB and I think that has been the case since they publicly named him as a suspect. Any conflicting info released in the media has either been an intentional tactic to try to get people speaking or BS from the press.

LE would know that silence cannot be maintained across three police forces for very long and this makes me think that hopefully we’ll see something soon. Fingers crossed!

 

[Victoria Chambers]

It is interesting, perhaps a tactical lockdown of sorts. It seems as though something happened at the Lisbon LE meeting. Just my .02 but far from being the, “last roll of the dice,” I think the German LE probably gave up some of there info and asked the Portuguese and British for supporting info.

Perhaps it’s wishful thinking but I’m sure German LE will be charge CB and I think that has been the case since they publicly named him as a suspect. Any conflicting info released in the media has either been an intentional tactic to try to get people speaking or BS from the press.

LE would know that silence cannot be maintained across three police forces for very long and this makes me think that hopefully we’ll see something soon. Fingers crossed!

See, I would have thought that in the UK, this case has been discussed in Parliament with the past 3 Prime Minister's. Surely that classes as being 'in the public's best interest'? For years now, people everywhere have whined about the costs of the search - God Forgive anybody who has a problem with searching for a child- but I genuinely thought that SY would have done a press conference. Even just to say, we have not found MM but we can expect (or not) charges to be brought in the near future!
Obviously telling us nothing! X

 

[Denis R Tandib]

See, I would have thought that in the UK, this case has been discussed in Parliament with the past 3 Prime Minister's. Surely that classes as being 'in the public's best interest'? For years now, people everywhere have whined about the costs of the search - God Forgive anybody who has a problem with searching for a child- but I genuinely thought that SY would have done a press conference. Even just to say, we have not found MM but we can expect (or not) charges to be brought in the near future!
Obviously telling us nothing! X

This is kind of my point, the pressure on both Portuguese and UK LE is massive so anything the Germans (And let’s not forget that it’s a German investigation into CB) have shared will not remain secret very long ... especially if they have to share it with politicians.

I can imagine the Germans showing the strength of their hand (not necessarily all their cards) subject to confidentiality agreements or similar for a fixed period so that the Portuguese snd UK LE can provide supporting info.

This is obviously all conjecture, I just get a sense from the most recent media reports and this period of quiet that something important is happening.

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe german BKA has also some info about that ominous 30 minute call on may the 3rd. HCW doesn't seem to be very interested about phone-mast ranges but quoted, he has clues that place CB in OC at may the 3rd.

He is unlikely to be interested because the evidence simply won't be able to prove one way or another. I sat through hours of this stuff in the McStay case, and this basic azimuth info essentially just places the phone somewhere within an arc from the tower.

So he is right by saying, it would be easier for the public to understand, if it knows everything that the prsoecuters know.

i think you are correct. The phone call is just a part of a bigger picture, that places CB in the general area.

But seeing he lived in the general area, by itself it doesn't prove much.

 

[mrjitty]

This is kind of my point, the pressure on both Portuguese and UK LE is massive so anything the Germans (And let’s not forget that it’s a German investigation into CB) have shared will not remain secret very long ... especially if they have to share it with politicians.

I can imagine the Germans showing the strength of their hand (not necessarily all their cards) subject to confidentiality agreements or similar for a fixed period so that the Portuguese snd UK LE can provide supporting info.

This is obviously all conjecture, I just get a sense from the most recent media reports and this period of quiet that something important is happening.

I think there is no pressure on UK police or PJ. Both would probably prefer the case to stay out of the media unless there is a real breakthrough.

All the pressure is on the germans - but again, they may well prefer no more media coverage, as the tone of the coverage doesn't look good for them lately.