Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #20

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  • #781
This is behind a paywall but tells about a recent secret meeting in Lisbon between PJ, British LE and German LE.

From what can be read, DNA evidence can't place CB inside apartment but can connect him to 2 other investigations.

Encontro secreto para encontrar Madeleine McCann
 
  • #782
Maybe GM's check stirred MM from her sleep, then perhaps after the perp had entered 5a shortly after, he disturbed MM who then got up and wandered into her parents room where she found him.
This could have been around the same time that MO did his check.
The perp heard the patio door open and could have put his hand over her mouth to keep her quiet and restrain her.
MO said that he had looked at the book titles on the shelf, so it wasn't just a very quick check.
The length of time the perp must have had to keep MM quiet may have resulted in death by suffocation.
This could explain why the dog alerted within that specific room and possibly the odor drifted into a corner (cupboard) where there is not much air circulation and could possibly explain why items of clothing were also found to have cadaver scent on them and why her bed was seemingly untouched.
I'm just suggesting another possibility, that abuse may not even have taken place at that stage, if not at all.
HCW said believed murdered and possibly abused.
Either they are holding back, or have no proof of the latter.
Just another theory.
JMO.
This is an interesting theory. It could also explain why the dogs alerted to Cuddlecat (the toy). I remember an interview with KM where she Said that MM would never go anywhere without Cuddlecat. If MM woke up and went to her parents room, she could have broght the toy with her.
To me, it is also an interesting thought that if this is what happened the perp may not had broken into the appartment with any other intentions than to burgle it, he may not even had known that the children were there.
He may have panicked, put her in the closet initially while trying to figure out what to do/clean any traces he might have left, and then ultimately decided it was better/less risky to take her with him, putting the toy back on her bed for some reason.
What I cannot fit into this theory is the evidence that German LE claim to have of her dead and and how she died. Hr. Wolthers speaks about this very confidently, making me think that it must be something he has seen with his own eyes, like a photo/video, but I may be wrong in my interpretation of this evidence.
With all the theories being discussed about abuse, Dark web and snuff videos, I kind of hope the accidental(?) suffocating her in the appartment is what happened, for the sake of Madeleine and her parents.
 
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This is an interesting theory. It could also explain why the dogs alerted to Cuddlecat (the toy). I remember an interview with KM where she Said that MM would never go anywhere without Cuddlecat. If MM woke up and went to her parents room, she could have broght the toy with her.
To me, it is also an interesting thought that if this is what happened the perp may not had broken into the appartment with any other intentions than to burgle it, he may not even had known that the children were there.
He may have paniced, but her in the closed initially while trying to figure out what to do/clean any traces he might have left, and then ultimately decided it was better/less risky to take her with him, putting the toy back on her bed for some reason.
What I cannot fit into this theory is the evidence that German LE claim to have of her dead and and how she died. Hr. Wolthers speaks about this very confidently, making me think that is must be something he has seen with his Owen eyes, like a photo/video, but I may be wrong in my interpretation of this evidence.
With all the theories being discussed about abuse, Dark web and snuff videos, I kind of hope the accidental(?) suffocating her in the appartment is what happened, for the sake of Madeleine and her parents.
Wasn't cuddle cat found on the shelf not in the bed??
 
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Some photos or videos,
Does that mean they know that there are photos and videos of mm?? Any thoughts on it?
I think it's just a re-iteration of the original BKA appeal they published when CB was first announced as a suspect. His comments about needing a witness, photo or video to complete the puzzle are in line with what they originally said they were looking for -
  • Can you provide information about the vehicles used by the suspect or did you see them at the beginning of May 2007 or are you aware of their parking locations during the period mentioned?
  • Can you provide information on the numbers mentioned or their users in May 2007?
  • Can you provide information about the houses, rooms or other contact points shown?
  • Did you stay in the Algarve at the beginning of May 2007 and do you still have images such as holiday photos or videos?
  • Were you in contact with a person who was connected to the vehicles, buildings and telephone numbers shown and can you provide information about their stay at the beginning of May 2007?
  • Have you been a victim of a crime yourself?
  • Furthermore, there is reason to assume that there are other people besides the perpetrator who have specific knowledge of the possible course of events and, if applicable, the location of the corpse. We expressly ask these people to get in touch and share their knowledge.
BKA - Fahndung nach Personen - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN am 03.05.2007 in Praia da Luz / Portugal – Zeugen gesucht

I don't think it is any reference to possible photos/videos of MM after she was taken. The key to the case still seems to be placing CB in PDL. A photo/video from a tourist might have captured something of him in the background for example.

Also, notice that the appeal for photos does not specifically reference 3rd May or PDL, just the Algarve at the beginning of May. So again, if CB shows up on a photo elsewhere in the Algarve, it could help BKA track where he was staying or might have taken MM.
 
  • #786
This is behind a paywall but tells about a recent secret meeting in Lisbon between PJ, British LE and German LE.

From what can be read, DNA evidence can't place CB inside apartment but can connect him to 2 other investigations.

Encontro secreto para encontrar Madeleine McCann
I think someone has named CB as the abductor. Someone credible. But he did not kill her. She is still alive in Germany.
 
  • #787
The key to the case still seems to be placing CB in PDL. A photo/video from a tourist might have captured something of him in the background for example.

Also, notice that the appeal for photos does not specifically reference 3rd May or PDL, just the Algarve at the beginning of May. So again, if CB shows up on a photo elsewhere in the Algarve, it could help BKA track where he was staying or might have taken MM.

RSBM

I think you are correct. I think they are most focussed on what happened after 10pm on the 3rd. They need to know where he was and who was with him.
 
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My theory is they believe that photos/videos existed - e.g. from witnesses or chats but they don't have them.
Agreed! I believe someone has seen the image/photograph and it correlates with the info CB knows that only the perpetrator knows e.g. how she died.
 
  • #791
This is behind a paywall but tells about a recent secret meeting in Lisbon between PJ, British LE and German LE.

From what can be read, DNA evidence can't place CB inside apartment but can connect him to 2 other investigations.

Encontro secreto para encontrar Madeleine McCann
“For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other cases, which allow Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Maddie's disappearance, to be arrested.”

This makes me believe CB is part of a network?
 
  • #792
“For now, the data remains circumstantial, but the Germans have already taken the elements of two other cases, which allow Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Maddie's disappearance, to be arrested.”

This makes me believe CB is part of a network?

Or they just made some progress in other missing children cases, like IG maybe.
 
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Or they just made some progress in other missing children cases, like IG maybe.

I've always felt they would connect him with 1 or 2 more domestic german crimes
 
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Brit cops in meeting with German & Portuguese police to find missing Maddie

Some more info about the Lisbon meeting @MENDEL mentioned, not paywalled.

So they have searched wells in a distance of a drive about 15 minutes from his former home.

So not really near to his home.

By looking at Google Earth, i see similar vegetation and road features around the dam at Odeáxere, as displayed in the VW pics. It's just a 15-20 minute drive from PDL either.

There seem to be some abandoned buildings either.
 
  • #796
It's pretty clear HCW is doing significant media spots as part of an ongoing outreach - so clearly they are trying to reach someone ...
 
  • #797
It's pretty clear HCW is doing significant media spots as part of an ongoing outreach - so clearly they are trying to reach someone ...
For sure but also a very dangerous game if they do not reach the right people and this media storm is for nothing.
 
  • #798
The interactions of the dog with the toy cat were fully documented on film.
At no point does the dog alert to the toy cat.
I recommend to all to watch the video, and trust what you see in the video.
IMO it is completely evident that the dog does not alert to the toy.
 
  • #799
In the official video record the exact timestamp when the dog Eddie alerts to the toy cat, is (blank) minutes (blank) seconds ???
 
  • #800
What's this? Amaral checking whether MM was the biological daughter of GM and KM?
P.J. POLICE FILES: PORTUGUESE FORENSIC INSTITUTE TESTS

17th August 2007

The present inquiry is in relation to the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May from P da L.

The English authorities in possession of elements collected from the family home in Leicestershire, which are being examined in an unidentified laboratory, traced the girl's DNA profile, in annex to this document.

As it is necessary to the investigation we request the following:

1. Whether in the tests done by the INML Madeleine's profile was established?

2. In the case of a positive answer to point 1, that it should be determined whether the girl is the daughter of the parents identified ? Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy.

3. Information about whether the profile obtained by the INML corresponds to the profile traced in the English laboratory, on the request of the British authorities.

4. If there are differences between the English and Portuguese profiles that a report should be drawn up for this inquiry.

5. In the follow-up of point 4, we request to be informed whether in the English profile the girl is the daughter of the McCann couple.

6. Other information that might be of use to the investigation.

Signed G. Amaral
 
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