Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[snowpea666]

I'm amazed PJ are refusing to hand over DNA - that's appalling.

That said it could be anyones blood and could have been there for months and there isn't much. It was also not evident with the naked eye so would have to have been cleaned up which would take time. Nosebleeds, cut knees, shaving cuts etc all very normal


Personally I don't think a small child could draw blood from a adult male. Not enough strength and very easily overpowered.

My grandaughter is the same age of MM and she could easy scratch, bite enough to draw blood and has done MM was feisty also so I think would prob react if she felt in danger.

I'm not sure if a small child would run away from CB either. Nor make it far if they tried. When small kids wake up frightened don't they usually scream rather than run. Or get up and go to find their parents? Personally I think it would take more cognitive reasoning to run and hide than a three year old would have

That's just my opinion. I think if he spoke nicely about going to find mummy and daddy she'd have gone willingly. She was a very young child.

 

[redplanet]

From the PJfiles: Blood Spatter Images. Samples taken Aug1-Aug4 2007. This just does not work for death in 5a for me. Firstly, blood beneath the window sill where the sofa is usually placed. If the sofa was pulled out further than the wall and death occurred in the space between the 2, there would be more blood on the back of the sofa! The curtains must be open for the wall to have been spattered in that exact place, so the 5 blood spots on the curtains above the window sill indicates the window must have been spattered and cleaned afterwards. I just feel can a child fall that fast, that heavy to the ground from the sofa and blood can fly so high to the window but leaving only spot traces on the floor and not a puddle?? Let's say, in the aftermath of an accident, her medically trained parents could not save her - but placed her in the wardrobe closet instead! Yet no blood trace was left inside?? I'm not buying that. And none of that fits with this event occuring during abduction or burglary either. Unless of course, she was placed in the closet whilst he cleaned up! X

The spots on the walls and on the curtains and on the sofa were IMO never forensically identified as blood. Or can anyone please post the official document stating they are blood? The only samples in the lounge which were forensically identified as blood were IMO some samples from the floortiles/cement.

 

[kyndigs]

Honestly think taking a child from apartment is too risky, but people who commit crimes like this don’t rationalise that risk. My theory has always been one of two scenarios, opened shutter and called her to window and lifted her directly into a van, or he convinced her to follow him till he got to a safe spot and then abducted.

shutter was supposed to be locked could have been unlocked by an accomplice prior or by suspect prior.

 

[redplanet]

And Keela did not alert to the spots on the wall and sofa and blue curtains.

 

[SuperdadV8]

And Keela did not alert to the spots on the wall and sofa and blue curtains.

Sure?

From minute 2:40

 

[redplanet]

The two sisters, Jensen and Wiltshire, both mentioned in original statements given by Balu and Berry.. those women are amongst the people who claim to have seen RM close to 5a at around 10:30pm that night. This was backed up by a British Barrister, who is Balu, owner of Cooper Tuff, an immigration Law firm. Does anybody know why there appears to be no formal statements from these women in the files please. X

Yes the statements of JJ and AW have not been published. They had left the restaurant a little before the doctors group rushed off however their sighting earlier that day of the 2 blonde men on a balcony (possibly apartment 5C???) is interesting.

 

[redplanet]

Sure?

From minute 2:40

@2:40 that is Eddie

 

[redplanet]

Sure?

From minute 2:40

@3:30 is Keela.
She alerts by freezing.

 

[SuperdadV8]

@3:30 is Keela.
She alerts by freezing.

Okay, i got that. But Eddie was cadaver AND blood trained, right?!

"Eddie is a "victim recovery dog" who can detect blood and human remains."

The English sniffer dogs that are helping in the hunt for Madeleine | Daily Mail Online

 

[redplanet]

Okay, i got that. But Eddie was cadaver AND blood trained, right?!

Yes that's correct: Eddie's alert does not determine whether there is blood or not.
Therefore Keela is deployed.
Keela did not alert to the spots on the wall or sofa or bluecurtains therefore IMO those spots are not blood.

 

[Monic]

Could CB have anything to do with the murder of the 10 year old Adelina Pismak?
Abused and murdered in 2001in Bremen not far from Hannover.
Not far from her body, the police found buried bathing suits and panties...

In CB's mobile van they also found bathing suits and CB was wearing panties..

 

[SuperdadV8]

Could CB have anything to do with the murder of the 10 year old Adelina Pismak?
Abused and murdered in 2001in Bremen not far from Hannover.
Not far from her body, the police found buried bathing suits and panties...

In CB's mobile van they also found bathing suits and CB was wearing panties..

In the Pismak case, the bathing suits haven't been children clothes, but for adults. But yes, the crime is assumed to be linked to a person with possible transvestite-inclination. Maybe not far from a tow-ball enthusiast. I've seen videos of guys doing that practice in clothes for females. Skirts etc..

Mordfall Adelina Pismak – Wikipedia

 

[redplanet]

Could CB have anything to do with the murder of the 10 year old Adelina Pismak?
Abused and murdered in 2001in Bremen not far from Hannover.
Not far from her body, the police found buried bathing suits and panties...

In CB's mobile van they also found bathing suits and CB was wearing panties..

Scary. I hope BKA are checking for possible links with the curremt case.

Nahe des Fundorts ... graben sie Unterwäsche, ein Top und drei Strumpfhosen aus. Außerdem ... sechs vergrabene Damenbadeanzüge.

Bremen: Brutaler Mord! Mädchen (10) vergewaltigt und getötet - ist er der Täter? | Bremen

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes that's correct: Eddie's alert does not determine whether there is blood or not.
Therefore Keela is deployed.
Keela did not alert to the spots on the wall or sofa or bluecurtains therefore IMO those spots are not blood.

What about blood of an already deceased person, before it comes to the stains? I would assume, police have got their chemical ways to distinguish blood stains from saliva, semen or even bubble tea and as i read the reports, it has been detected as blood.

Of course it shouldn't be blood from a shaving cut behind the sofa. Could there be a difference of detecting blood of a living person, maybe due to the chimical process of coagulation, or a dead person, when there isn't a coagulation anymore?

 

[redplanet]

What about blood of a already deceased person, before it comes to the stains? I would assume, police have got their chemical ways to distinguish blood stains from saliva, semen or even bubble tea and as i read the reports, it has been detected as blood.

Of course it shouldn't be blood from a shaving cut behind the sofa. Could there be a difference of detecting blood of a living person, maybe due to the chimical process of coagulation, or a dead person, when there isn't a coagulation anymore?

I am no expert. But to set out to investigate whether CB caused a "blood splatter" on wall and sofa and curtains, is IMO impossible: because the police files never actually identify as blood the spots on the wall and the sofa and the curtains. (The floor however is different).

 

[SuperdadV8]

Just spent some time reading some german articles about corpse- and blood sniffer dogs. One thing is interesting to me. To detect every stadium of decay, these dogs must be trained through all of this possible stadiums.

Now i see a difference in the case. As i understand it, Eddie and Keela have been kept in private possession and could be hired for money, right?

In germany these dogs are part of the police force and being trained and kept by the officials. So they have a very sophisticated education and training. They will even be dismissed, if they fail some stages of education.

So are Eddie and Kayla that reliable, as official sniffer dogs maybe are?

 

[Tekno]

Could CB have anything to do with the murder of the 10 year old Adelina Pismak?
Abused and murdered in 2001in Bremen not far from Hannover.
Not far from her body, the police found buried bathing suits and panties...

In CB's mobile van they also found bathing suits and CB was wearing panties..

I find it interesting that she was found by a mushroom picker, as was Penny Knobloch. Perhaps I have it wrong?
Christian Brueckner has been linked to the murder of a German schoolgirl | FR24 News English

 

[Victoria Chambers]

The spots on the walls and on the curtains and on the sofa were IMO never forensically identified as blood. Or can anyone please post the official document stating they are blood? The only samples in the lounge which were forensically identified as blood were IMO some samples from the floortiles/cement.

These pictures are in the English translations, listed as 'Blood spatter'. With, it says, every sample being to a lab in Birmingham UK. The page says the PJ were under instruction of how to retrieve the samples.. taking 2 from each spot, 1 dry swab and 1 wet swab. I'm sure that is in lining with the type of testing in Birmingham as opposed to the PJ not knowing what to do. Also,this was all done 3 months after May3. It's an awful long time imo X

 

[SuperdadV8]

I find it interesting that she was found by a mushroom picker, as was Penny Knobloch. Perhaps I have it wrong?
Christian Brueckner has been linked to the murder of a German schoolgirl | FR24 News English

Yes, Peggy has been found by a mushroom picker. But according to the reports here in Sauerkraut-Land, there shouldn't be any link to CB, even if he has relation to the area. There are at last two suspects. One retarded person named Ulvi K. had been sentenced and later aquitted and one, a local undertaker called Manuel S. with (even assumed sexual) connection to Ulvi K., that has now admitted to have disposed the body for the later aquitted K., so there is no chance of a charge anymore, because of the aquittal. The case has been closed by now.

The same double jeopardy thing, HCW is trying to avoid IMO.

 

[tedtink]

I am no expert. But to set out to investigate whether CB caused a "blood splatter" on wall and sofa and curtains, is IMO impossible: because the police files never actually identify as blood the spots on the wall and the sofa and the curtains. (The floor however is different).

The suggestion that there was a 'blood splatter' behind the sofa, let alone belonging to MM, was imo a myth.
Here are the results for the curtains, wall and tiles..........

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT