Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[tedtink]

I'm not in the UK but I'm a regular reader of the Olive Press. And I'm not for one minute discounting or dismissing the German investigation into CB, or the value of the evidence-seeking they're pursuing in order to nail CB for crimes he may well have committed. And I hope they're successful to that end.

All I'm saying is that I don't believe MM is remotely at the centre of their investigation.

I realise it's just a snap shot of Portuguese readers, but after reading comments on Sexta@9 FB, anything MM related receives the most negative and dismissive comments, rather fed up with it all.
I have wondered whether that is the general consensus in Portugal and folk have just lost interest in the case.
There must be others across EU who feel the same too.

 

[JB1510]

I'm not in the UK but I'm a regular reader of the Olive Press and kudos to them for their dedication to this.

I'm not for one minute discounting or dismissing them, all I'm saying is that I don't believe MM is remotely at the centre of the German investigation, despite HCW's insistence to the contrary.

I think they're using MM as a hat to hang their need to nail CB on.






I agree , unless any other useful leads come in they will concentrate on other crimes they have more evidence on . I just think CB’s circle needs a higher media service to highlight his possible goings on in Germany & Portugal and Netflix would be ideal . You only have to think of all the abbreviations on here to try and piece something together !

 

[SuperdadV8]

Taking into account what CB described in the chatroom and considering his obsession with child and documenting abuse.
I presume the evidence BKA have, as I've suggested before, is pretty gruesome, leading them to assume MM would not have survived what could have been recorded.
Perhaps CB has shared pics of MM online with paedo's?
Could BKA be waiting for one to 'break ranks' and come forward with more conversations, pics they may have of MM? Or a missing pic that is so rare and valuable in the sequence of (recorded) events, that may be the evidence they need?

JMO

Yes! At least part of the jigsaw, of course!

And that kind of footage should exist, unfortuneatly! Either they got it already, or not. But if they do, who wants to admit then, that they do publish it? You want the SUN to publish it? Or "The Internet"? We had a Christchurch-like assassination almost one year ago been online in minutes after that evil act! Wanna see? No, you won't! It's nothing you would like to remember! Humans, innocent women and men had been killed by living their usual lives online. I've seen it and had to cry, although i'm a tough one, believe me! Reality is far beyond from a movie!

Shall HCW make public, what he has in a childs murder case and maybe including abuse before??? Be honest, who wants to see that evil sh#$t?

Maybe MM led them to more vile actions. A perp in prison doesn't need them to hurry, right?

Please excuse my directness, but everybody who is on tenterhooks in this case! Do you really demand a prosecuter to make public for example, that he has possible evidence of a man fu$@#g a three year old girl to death, for example??? And unfortuneatly that is the reality in the paedo world, that doesn't even keeps distance to babies!

JMO

 

[tedtink]

Yes! At least part of the jigsaw, of course!

And that kind of footage should exist, unfortuneatly! Either they got it already, or not. But if they do, who wants to admit them, that they do?

JMO

Yes indeed, who would want to admit to it?!
Maybe someone will discover a conscience like HB did.

 

[tedtink]

Possibly - but then why do this BBC interview?

Was it an interview or was he just contacted for comment? The confidence in HCW's statements astounds me.
I can't help thinking that in reality they DO in fact have enough to charge CB with MM's murder, always have, but this was just a media ruse to get as much on him as possible regarding other crimes.
During this time CB is slowly breaking down in prison.

 

[Ardoch]

Was it an interview or was he just contacted for comment? The confidence in HCW's statements astounds me.
I can't help thinking that in reality they DO in fact have enough to charge CB with MM's murder, always have, but this was just a media ruse to get as much on him as possible regarding other crimes.
During this time CB is slowly breaking down in prison.

Fingers crossed!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes! At least part of the jigsaw, of course!

And that kind of footage should exist, unfortuneatly! Either they got it already, or not. But if they do, who wants to admit then, that they do publish it? You want the SUN to publish it? Or "The Internet"? We had a Christchurch-like assassination almost one year ago been online in minutes after that evil act! Wanna see? No, you won't! It's nothing you would like to remember! Humans, innocent women and men had been killed by living their usual lives online. I've seen it and had to cry, although i'm a tough one, believe me! Reality is far beyond from a movie!

Shall HCW make public, what he has in a childs murder case and maybe including abuse before??? Be honest, who wants to see that evil sh#$t?

Maybe MM led them to more vile actions. A perp in prison doesn't need them to hurry, right?

Please excuse my directness, but everybody who is on tenterhooks in this case! Do you really demand a prosecuter to make public for example, that he has possible evidence of a man fu$@#g a three year old girl to death, for example??? And unfortuneatly that is the reality in the paedo world, that doesn't even keeps distance to babies!

JMO

Please excuse....

Due to the fact, that i made my education by working for L.E. for almost one year, i made my experiences in law enforcement and i can tell you, that you aren't keen on knowing every detail in special cases.

The way HCW took to make his duty, made me to look at him like he is kind of pretty brave!

Why?

He said from the beginning:

We assume the suspect killed a little girl!

We know something, but it won't fit a charge for sure!

We need your help to make it tight!

And that in the MM-case, not in a saturday shop-lift!!!

So, until today, HCW is my hero! Either you would like to follow my opinion, or not.

Let him do his job! If he fails, he will have zo handle with that situation, not the rest of the world!

 

[Dlk79]

I can't help thinking that in reality they DO in fact have enough to charge CB with MM's murder, always have, but this was just a media ruse to get as much on him as possible regarding other crimes.
During this time CB is slowly breaking down in prison.

Not sure about the getting him on other crimes part, but I've had the feeling from quite early on they probably do have enough to charge him if they really wanted. But what they don't have is a case so watertight that a top notch solicitor might be able to avoid the conviction. Given the scale of the case, that would be disastrous for LE, and while they have the opportunity to keep gathering evidence, they should do so.

The assertive (and for some people here, gung-ho) stance from HCW makes me think that they plan to press ahead with a charge at some point even if they don't get any more evidence. And by not having revealed what evidence they currently do have, they don't then need to explain what they had previously and what evidence they have at that time, that makes bringing the charge suddenly viable.

 

[Dlk79]

Please excuse....

Due to the fact, that i made my education by working for L.E. for almost one year, i made my experiences in law enforcement and i can tell you, that you aren't keen on knowing every detail in special cases.

The way HCW took to make his duty, made me to look at him like he is kind of pretty brave!

Why?

He said from the beginning:

We assume the suspect killed a little girl!

We know something, but it won't fit a charge for sure!

We need your help to make it tight!

And that in the MM-case, not in a saturday shop-lift!!!

So, until today, HCW is my hero! Either you would like to follow my opinion, or not.

Let him do his job! If he fails, he will have zo handle with that situation, not the rest of the world!

For what it's worth Super, I have faith in HCW too. I understand why some people have raised eyebrows at his HCW' s approach but I don't know why some expect him to reveal to the public the evidence that makes him so convinced of CB's guilt. Especially, as you note, since it probably involves detail that is quite harrowing if they know what happened to MM in her final hours. Nor do I understand those who accuse him of having no real evidence at all and it all being bluster.

I just don't see the motive for him doing what he's doing and saying what he's saying unless they have something that all but confirms CB's guilt. Proving it in court is another matter. As some have pondered, maybe some of what they "know" is simply inadmissible.

 

[Zuleika]

I still don’t understand why Wolters has to tell .
Is that the way they go about cases in Germany ?
I’ve never had any sympathy for MM’s parents but can feel pity for them now even though KM did say in her book in detail how she imagined what could be happening to her daughter .

 

[Newthoughts]

Taking into account what CB described in the chatroom and considering his obsession with child and documenting abuse.
I presume the evidence BKA have, as I've suggested before, is pretty gruesome, leading them to assume MM would not have survived what could have been recorded.
Perhaps CB has shared pics of MM online with paedo's?
Could BKA be waiting for one to 'break ranks' and come forward with more conversations, pics they may have of MM? Or a missing pic that is so rare and valuable in the sequence of (recorded) events, that may be the evidence they need?

JMO

You've articulated what I try not to think about but I fully agree with. Part of that horrific description and offer to document it mentions destroying evidence. Personally I think that evidence is footage sold online. At one point the person he's talking to says mm which I thought was a sort of hm but now I'm not sure

 

[peanutJelly]

You've articulated what I try not to think about but I fully agree with. Part of that horrific description and offer to document it mentions destroying evidence. Personally I think that evidence is footage sold online. At one point the person he's talking to says mm which I thought was a sort of hm but now I'm not sure

I thought destroying evidence meant destroying the body?

 

[Zuleika]

Do people really show how they kill the child they’re sexually abusing and sell it on to people who can at any time choose to tell the police ? I can’t get into why they would be so stupid as to do that .

 

[Newthoughts]

For what it's worth Super, I have faith in HCW too. I understand why some people have raised eyebrows at his HCW' s approach but I don't know why some expect him to reveal to the public the evidence that makes him so convinced of CB's guilt. Especially, as you note, since it probably involves detail that is quite harrowing if they know what happened to MM in her final hours. Nor do I understand those who accuse him of having no real evidence at all and it all being bluster.

I just don't see the motive for him doing what he's doing and saying what he's saying unless they have something that all but confirms CB's guilt. Proving it in court is another matter. As some have pondered, maybe some of what they "know" is simply inadmissible.

I'm also with you both in having faith in HCW. As far as I can see he seems professional rather than sensationalist. I don't expect him to tell the many interested interviewers that approach him what he has

 

[Newthoughts]

I thought destroying evidence meant destroying the body?

It could well be but personally I think that would be easier than destroying something documenting something vile that you've sold on the dark web. But that's just my opinion and only my opinion

 

[Okapi]

Do people really show how they kill the child they’re sexually abusing and sell it on to people who can at any time choose to tell the police ? I can’t get into why they would be so stupid as to do that .

I'd assume the perpetrator is disguised.

TBH I really don't go there with research into the psychology and behaviours of paedophiles. But I am aware that access online is often conditional on submitting your own content first.

I think the people who would share this kind of extreme material are just as depraved.

 

[Okapi]

If this investigation appears to be stalling, I am actually hopeful that they are trying to secure justice for multiple victims. As others have alluded to in recent posts.Take your time HCW. That is worth the wait.

 

[mrjitty]

For what it's worth Super, I have faith in HCW too. I understand why some people have raised eyebrows at his HCW' s approach but I don't know why some expect him to reveal to the public the evidence that makes him so convinced of CB's guilt.

RSBM

I don't expect him to reveal his evidence. I am wondering why, if he is not ready to charge, why he does that BBC interview or why he does not simply make comments that the team is working hard and expects to update everyone next year.

What makes no sense to me is his willingness to discuss evidence that he won't reveal. It feels like spin to justify the position he has taken, rather than anything that benefits the inquiry.

 

[Scorpiette]

What if: CB dies before a potential charge is brought against him?

How do things proceed, if at all, by the German LE? They say they KNOW that MM is dead, and that CB did it.
If CB passes away (for whatever reason, Covid, heart attack, suicide, natural causes etc).....are the German LE beholden to the parents to then produce their evidence, to bring them peace of mind etc?
Would the parents want/need to know?
Just curious. Thoughts please.

 

[mrjitty]

I'm not in the UK but I'm a regular reader of the Olive Press and kudos to them for their dedication to this.

I'm not for one minute discounting or dismissing them, all I'm saying is that I don't believe MM is remotely at the centre of the German investigation, despite HCW's insistence to the contrary.

I think they're using MM as a hat to hang their need to nail CB on.

I hope for the sake of this investigation - one that, imo, has thrown serious moral and professional caution to the wind - ends up with an actual concrete, 100% credible criminal charge for something as far as CB is concerned.

Because for it not to would be appalling.

I agree

My feeling from a PR perspective is HCW is already resorting to defensive measures to justify his lack of progress - which is exactly what i warned would happen from the start if he couldn't back up his big claims.

IMO if he had real confidence in his case, he would give a few platitudes to the BBC and tell them he will talk to them next year.

Instead he feels the need to tell them how great his secret evidence is.

That is not a good sign, or a good media strategy.