Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #21

[tedtink]

@redplanet - thanks for that. A very pertinent reminder.

Add that to the 'British' focus (not just HCW but also FF) and it does really suggest that there's a significant if not actually crucial British component to this investigation.

Intriguing.

PDL has been dubbed "Little Britain", so understandable why he want's to aim info appeal at British holiday makers I suppose.

 

[peanutJelly]

The McCann 'source' throwing down the 'bewildered, bizarre' gauntlet is certainly very interesting. And oddly and unsettlingly antagonistic? Why would you be antagonistic towards someone who is officially trying to establish what happened to your missing child? Someone who says they have evidence that now points, after all the rabbit-hole years and vast amounts of wasted money, concretely to a suspect and the possibility of an actual conviction and final closure? That should surely, emotions-aside, be something to support rather than disparage?

I don't know where HCW is going with this but I do agree that he believes that there are 'unresolved issues' as far as something 'British' is concerned.

Maybe they want to continue to hold on to the possibility MM is still alive, I can completely understand that, however defensive that may appear to us to be. Assuming of course that the quoted close source is actually close.

 

[Dlk79]

PDL has been dubbed "Little Britain", so understandable why he want's to aim info appeal at British holiday makers I suppose.

Agreed. Think people might be reading a little too much into this "British connection". Aside from the the fact it is mainly British holidaymakers in PDL, he is making the appeal in a British outlet to a British audience. He's just tailoring his appeal. Now if he said the same thing about specifically needing British holidaymakers, to a German outlet, then that might be a bit more significant.

Don't forget, he also said this to the Sun at the very outset of the investigation back in June:

He said: “We need the help of the readers of The Sun. Maybe there are some British tourists who spent their time between 1995 and 2007 in Portugal, in Praia da Luz, and took some video or pictures.

“I hope there are some readers of The Sun who can help us to find the murderer of Madeleine McCann.

“Many British tourists spend their holidays there and maybe they have pictures of the suspect or something interesting for our investigation.”
Madeleine McCann prosecutors call on Sun readers to help them nail prime suspect

So what he's said is nothing new. And I don't think he seriously believes it's specifically a "Sun reader" that holds the key here, he's just tailoring the appeal to his audience.

 

[Trivento]

For any legal experts on here...
Could CB be tried in the UK if evidence given to UK authorities ?
MM a UK citizen ..would that allow this ?
Have heard double jeopardy rules less strict in UK , especially Scotland , maybe there best..her Dad Scottish.
Or if a trial in Germany lets him go free , can the UK authorities then make a case for another trial in UK ?

World's End murders: Sinclair convicted after change in double jeopardy rule

 

[tedtink]

World's End murders: Sinclair convicted after change in double jeopardy rule

Haven't read it all but just found this too.............

"Germany does view the extradition of its own citizens in a somewhat different light to that of the extradition of non-citizens. When it comes to German citizens they are provided with protection through § 16 Grundgesetz (German Constitution). Under this article, German citizens cannot be extradited to other countries with the exception of other EU states. The only other exception given is to international courts. However, what is important to note is that third countries (non-EU states) are not recognised as potential extradition destinations under the German Constitution."

Extradition Between Germany and the UK Post-Brexit | Schlun & Elseven.

 

[redplanet]

Interesting report about an abduction, abuse and attempted murder of a 6 year old girl in germany.

The suspect snatched the girl out of her room of a flat in the first floor, while the parents had been in another room at the same time. I assume, that must have happened in night time, because the suspect had thrown the girl into a nearby river in the morning and is said to abused her before.

Entführung Halle: Mutmaßlicher Kinderfänger kommt vor den Haftrichter

So it seems to be not that difficult, to abduct a child out of an apartment or flat if carefully planned, even if it isn't alone there at that time.

Thankyou. Interesting. This was in Dec 2020 I believe?

 

[SuperdadV8]

After being released from prison, CB moved back to PDL in the end of 2000.

Verdächtiger im "Fall Maddie": Lange kriminelle Karriere

Between 2002 and 2003, CB lead a auto trade, very likely in PDL.

Sexualstraftäter mit “großen Plänen”: Das Leben des Christian B.

In 2002, Raymond H. moved first to PDL.

"June 10, 2007 Hewlett left Portugal and took his family to Morocco. He said: "A friend gave me a broken old Mercedes and I stripped it down into parts. "I knew they were worth a fortune in Morocco because I'd been there for a couple of months in 2005. You can even get good money for Mercedes nuts and bolts there. "I knew people on the docks at Faro and I got the captain of a ferry to take us over for free. We stayed in Morocco for two months and came back in the August. I made 300 euros from the car parts."
June 14, 2009: Hewlett said he had never seen Madeleine in real life and vowed to prove his innocence. Offered to take a lie detector test or any test offered. Said he had only seen Madeleine on missing posters and once on a TV at a bar. He said: "It's obvious why they're interested in me. But they can all think what they like. I didn't kill the McCann girl. It's the truth and it's never going to change. "There is a person who can say where I was that day, but why should I bring them into this? I've done nothing wrong." "I would say to the McCanns that I know what it's like to lose a child because it's happened to me recently," "I've been through hell and now I've got another hell which I don't deserve. I know for a fact that I didn't do anything wrong, but if people aren't listening, what can you do?" "I didn't kill the McCann girl."

September 2010: Wayne Hewlett, son of Raymond and Susan, claimed to have received a letter from Hewlett two weeks after he died. Wayne claimed the letter professed his father's innocence regarding Madeleine's abduction and that Raymond had been told by a gipsy that he had abducted Madeleine and sold her to a wealthy childless couple. Wayne claimed to have burned the letter which he said had been delivered to him by a "mystery man".

Raymond Hewlett: Raymond Hewlett Biographical Info


"White Van"

Raymond Hewlett faces more questioning over missing Madeleine McCann

So....

HCW said, that they are just investigating CB. A dead british pedophile repeatedly insisted, that he didn't kill (!) MM. He can't be prosecuted anymore.

The son of the dead peado told about a "mystery man" that handed out a letter, in which his dead father blamed a gypsy-group.

Could CB and RH had known each other from 2002, maybe with relation to used cars, that maybe had been "destroyed" after may 2007? And the mystery-letter could have been a false flag after the death of an accomplice?

So the prosecuters are keen on british people and even pictures of british holidaymakers. Maybe a pic of CB and RH together?

I also read an article according to RH, that a former wife may have stated, that RH had been in Lissabon on may the 3rd 2007 and that's proven by using his banking card there. Lissabon is in the north, right. Unfortuneatly, i can't find it anymore.

But to me it seems very odd, that RH stated frequently that he didn't kill the girl, at a time, the case has still been kept as an abduction, not a murder. He also refused to make his alibi public.

I'm really asking, if there could have been any relation to CB...

 

[SuperdadV8]

Interesting. This was in Dec 2020 I believe?

Right! Just a few days ago.

 

[Trivento]

Haven't read it all but just found this too.............

"Germany does view the extradition of its own citizens in a somewhat different light to that of the extradition of non-citizens. When it comes to German citizens they are provided with protection through § 16 Grundgesetz (German Constitution). Under this article, German citizens cannot be extradited to other countries with the exception of other EU states. The only other exception given is to international courts. However, what is important to note is that third countries (non-EU states) are not recognised as potential extradition destinations under the German Constitution."

Extradition Between Germany and the UK Post-Brexit | Schlun & Elseven.

Thanks for sharing the info

 

[redplanet]

Hypothetically ... if there is an incriminating photograph and the perp's face is not visible how might BKA definitively identify him?

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Hypothetically ... if there is an incriminating photograph and the perp's face is not visible how might BKA definitively identify him?

I vaguely recall something about mapping blood vessels in the hands being unique to an individual. I think that was America or Britain, when I read it.

 

[axelcruze]

Re any evidence there may be linking CB, the Police are never going to reveal it to the public without first speaking to CB about it. LE will be looking for CB initial reaction, facial expression etc when he is finally confronted. To announce it to the World, not only gives CB time to get over it, but he can have his demeanour under control and his story straight. LE will not charge him for fear of the Double Jeopardy act. If there is an ounce of doubt during trial and CB is found Not Guilty, then LE have no chance of ever getting their man, should any evidence surface in the future- Since a man cannot be tried for the same crime twice. I recently read that German LE have received important information from British holidaymakers in the last few weeks- and are hoping to go to Portugal themselves?![/QUO

I don't think HOW can charge CB at cyrre

For any legal experts on here...
Could CB be tried in the UK if evidence given to UK authorities ?
MM a UK citizen ..would that allow this ?
Have heard double jeopardy rules less strict in UK , especially Scotland , maybe there best..her Dad Scottish.
Or if a trial in Germany lets him go free , can the UK authorities then make a case for another trial in UK ?

The UK has nothing to charge CB with at current. In addition, he is a currently a German prisoner for the next 7 years and Germany do not extradite German citizens to non-EU countries including UK as of next month. Portugal could charge and extradite in due course if it has a case against CB.

 

[redplanet]

I vaguely recall something about mapping blood vessels in the hands being unique to an individual. I think that was America or Britain, when I read it.

Mapping blood vessels, hands possibly , but additionally amongst photos BKA retrieved from memory card (according to a paywalled Spiegel article) was another image which BKA might IMO similarly use.

 

[redplanet]

An interesting 6 words about EVRD capabilities:

"Distinguish live from dead within minutes."
P.J. POLICE FILES: MARTIN GRIME PERSONAL PROFILE

 

[Sharkbite]

Last night Mr Bischof, 64, told the Daily Mail: 'He was always anxious, never relaxed. His eyes would always dart around the room when you were trying to have a conversation.'

But he was shocked when police later came to ask him about Madeleine. Former telecoms engineer Mr Bischof said: 'He was always a little nervous. He just couldn't hold down a job and I tried to encourage him to do so.

'He said he grew up in an orphanage and never ever mentioned any family.

'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner was released from prison months before girl vanished | Daily Mail Online

Does somebody know more about "Maria"?

Maria remains another mystery, with AB not even being sure if she is English. Its like looking for a needle in a haystack with Maria being so popular in Portugal.

I think Marie is the more common variation in the UK, but for sure there also many Maria's.

Coincidentally, the maid that was assigned to clean 5a for the MC's throughout their stay was called Maria.

Whoever Maria is, she seemed to be inside CB's head for some reason.

 

[SuperdadV8]

After being released from prison, CB moved back to PDL in the end of 2000.

Verdächtiger im "Fall Maddie": Lange kriminelle Karriere

Between 2002 and 2003, CB lead a auto trade, very likely in PDL.

Sexualstraftäter mit “großen Plänen”: Das Leben des Christian B.

In 2002, Raymond H. moved first to PDL.

"June 10, 2007 Hewlett left Portugal and took his family to Morocco. He said: "A friend gave me a broken old Mercedes and I stripped it down into parts. "I knew they were worth a fortune in Morocco because I'd been there for a couple of months in 2005. You can even get good money for Mercedes nuts and bolts there. "I knew people on the docks at Faro and I got the captain of a ferry to take us over for free. We stayed in Morocco for two months and came back in the August. I made 300 euros from the car parts."
June 14, 2009: Hewlett said he had never seen Madeleine in real life and vowed to prove his innocence. Offered to take a lie detector test or any test offered. Said he had only seen Madeleine on missing posters and once on a TV at a bar. He said: "It's obvious why they're interested in me. But they can all think what they like. I didn't kill the McCann girl. It's the truth and it's never going to change. "There is a person who can say where I was that day, but why should I bring them into this? I've done nothing wrong." "I would say to the McCanns that I know what it's like to lose a child because it's happened to me recently," "I've been through hell and now I've got another hell which I don't deserve. I know for a fact that I didn't do anything wrong, but if people aren't listening, what can you do?" "I didn't kill the McCann girl."

September 2010: Wayne Hewlett, son of Raymond and Susan, claimed to have received a letter from Hewlett two weeks after he died. Wayne claimed the letter professed his father's innocence regarding Madeleine's abduction and that Raymond had been told by a gipsy that he had abducted Madeleine and sold her to a wealthy childless couple. Wayne claimed to have burned the letter which he said had been delivered to him by a "mystery man".

Raymond Hewlett: Raymond Hewlett Biographical Info


"White Van"

Raymond Hewlett faces more questioning over missing Madeleine McCann

So....

HCW said, that they are just investigating CB. A dead british pedophile repeatedly insisted, that he didn't kill (!) MM. He can't be prosecuted anymore.

The son of the dead peado told about a "mystery man" that handed out a letter, in which his dead father blamed a gypsy-group.

Could CB and RH had known each other from 2002, maybe with relation to used cars, that maybe had been "destroyed" after may 2007? And the mystery-letter could have been a false flag after the death of an accomplice?

So the prosecuters are keen on british people and even pictures of british holidaymakers. Maybe a pic of CB and RH together?

I also read an article according to RH, that a former wife may have stated, that RH had been in Lissabon on may the 3rd 2007 and that's proven by using his banking card there. Lissabon is in the north, right. Unfortuneatly, i can't find it anymore.

But to me it seems very odd, that RH stated frequently that he didn't kill the girl, at a time, the case has still been kept as an abduction, not a murder. He also refused to make his alibi public.

I'm really asking, if there could have been any relation to CB...

Well, the Lissabon info was in the link, that i already posted.

"Newspaper reports claimed Hewlett resembled a pock-marked suspect seen near the McCann holiday apartment and had refused to give an alibi for the night of the disappearance, yet Portuguese police stated that photos of Hewlett had been shown to the 13 year old girl who claimed to have seen someone near the apartment - and she said it was not him. Portuguese police also said that Hewlett's wife had given him an alibi and that his bank card had been used in Lisbon (3 hours away from Praia da Luz) at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance."

Raymond Hewlett: Raymond Hewlett Biographical Info

 

[Okapi]

Interesting, @SuperdadV8 ... RH certainly ticks a lot of boxes for common connections to CB, leaving aside their disgusting common interests:

• arrived in PdL in mid-90s
• German wife
• Car mechanic, (also boat mechanic)
• Transient lifestyle, living in converted campervans. The "vandwellers" driving up and down the coast to the various markets would likely have crossed paths.
• Active in the local hippy scene; RH made hippy jewelry, soaps and candles and also busked (he was into goth music).

Am I correct in thinking that the "Hippeville" Sunday market where @Sharkbite identified the VW upthread is 11km/18 minutes' drive away from the Fuseto flea market where RH and his family were visiting the day after MM disappeared? I'm a bit useless at navigating maps

 

[mrjitty]

@redplanet - thanks for that. A very pertinent reminder.

Add that to the 'British' focus (not just HCW but also FF) and it does really suggest that there's a significant if not actually crucial British component to this investigation.

Intriguing.

A "carnival of mirrors" so to speak ...

 

[redplanet]

Excerpt from the official appeal on the BKA website June 2020:
"Furthermore, there is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left. We explicitly ask these persons to contact us and provide information."
https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherhei...rhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

Not a request for holiday photos. Completely different.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Portrait of a paedophile: So did Raymond Hewlett snatch Maddie? | Daily Mail Online

"Rumours began to circulate only last summer, when he sneaked back to Britain because he needed documents to obtain free overseas hospital treatment and claim his old age pension, due next year.

One source says: 'He was driven by a friend and the police must have learned he was in Britain, because they raided the house he was staying in during the night.'

It is unclear whether the police arrived too late and Hewlett had fled, or whether they let him go."

Do some of our UK pals in here have got more info, about that ominous "friend"?

Following that article, there are rumors of abusing his own children. While the mother has been in proximity all the time?! And what about his german wife, he met in italy (Milano!!!) around 1996 at her age of 19. She could have been born the same year as C.B. IMO. Does anybody know, where she was born in germany and if she probably moved to Milano again, after RH died? I can't find any info, unfortuneatly....

Prime suspect had 'smoking gun' phone call with female accomplice, cops fear

Could all this be pieces of the puzzle HCW referred to, that led to a almost 14 year investigation? I've mentioned before, that C.B. could have had some kind of mentor. I would like to see so many similarities in their general behavior...

And could the ominous girlfriend "Maria" be "Mariana" or "Marianne"?