Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[redplanet]

Madeleine McCann Netflix viewers convinced she was drugged, kidnapped
The photo here of MM in kidsclub activity near a palm tree is IMO probably at
37.088822, -8.729843

 

[redplanet]

Madeleine McCann Netflix viewers convinced she was drugged, kidnapped
The photo here of MM in kidsclub activity near a palm tree is IMO probably at
37.088822, -8.729843

and probably Sunday 10am-11am IMO.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/2rf97cy.jpg
ETA parachute grass time

 

[Trivento]

Madeleine McCann Netflix viewers convinced she was drugged, kidnapped
The photo here of MM in kidsclub activity near a palm tree is IMO probably at
37.088822, -8.729843

re. the headline of quoted article here noticed that in Netflix ep.1 about 10.55 NB starts talking about his kids being “particularly tired” also , on the Thursday.
So was it all just effects of an active holiday or something else is interesting perhaps ?
Have always wondered if OG have ever looked at where the kids lunches or snacks originated from ( Millenium ? ) and who was working there ( checks for anything of interest to police ? ) Of course such staff gave statements to the PJ etc , but were the interesting ones looked at in depth by SY ?

 

[redplanet]

re. the headline of quoted article here noticed that in Netflix ep.1 about 10.55 NB starts talking about his kids being “particularly tired” also , on the Thursday.
So was it all just effects of an active holiday or something else is interesting perhaps ?
Have always wondered if OG have ever looked at where the kids lunches or snacks originated from ( Millenium ? ) and who was working there ( checks for anything of interest to police ? ) Of course such staff gave statements to the PJ etc , but were the interesting ones looked at in depth by SY ?

MM's playmates in Lobster Group included JB (child of NB), and EOB (child of ROB&JT).
P.J. POLICE FILES: THE CRECHE REGISTRATION FILES

 

[mrjitty]

Interesting no one is asking HCW about the parents response in the media.

Maybe he is refusing that interview.

 

[Trivento]

MM's playmates in Lobster Group included JB (child of NB), and EOB (child of ROB&JT).
P.J. POLICE FILES: THE CRECHE REGISTRATION FILES

So I guess of particular interest might be origin and subsequent handling of morning snack/drink of JB on 3rd (maybe trial run ) and afternoon snack/drinks of MM and twins on 3rd , while they were at various kids clubs , if considering any tampering.

 

[redplanet]

So I guess of particular interest might be origin and subsequent handling of morning snack/drink of JB on 3rd (maybe trial run ) and afternoon snack/drinks of MM and twins on 3rd , while they were at various kids clubs , if considering any tampering.

AFAIK all the various kidsclubs of all ages had lunch together at an area near the tapas restaurant. On thursday MM attended Lobsters am and pm. JB attended am but IMO possibly not pm (no pm sign out). EOB attended am and pm but only until 2.30pm (was signed out to go to beach with family).

 

[Anxala]

Interesting no one is asking HCW about the parents response in the media.

Maybe he is refusing that interview.

The reality is, although it does maybe seem a little 'cold' on the surface, he has no responsibility to the McCanns. They're not his focus, CB is.

If they have a problem with his methodology, then they should be directing their criticism privately at the Met - their immediate info source, the police force actively engaged in their child's disappearance, the one Clarissa Dick says is in good and ongoing info-sharing partnership with the LE - and let them pursue it, rather than they themselves having a rather arrogant tabloid public go at HCW.

So yes, in answer to your query, I can completely understand HCW's lack of engagement here.

 

[tedtink]

The reality is, although it does maybe seem a little 'cold' on the surface, he has no responsibility to the McCanns. They're not his focus, CB is.

If they have a problem with his methodology, then they should be directing their criticism privately at the Met - their immediate info source, the police force actively engaged in their child's disappearance, the one Clarissa Dick says is in good and ongoing info-sharing partnership with the LE - and let them pursue it, rather than they themselves having a rather arrogant tabloid public go at HCW.

So yes, in answer to your query, I can completely understand HCW's lack of engagement here.

Absolutely!

 

[redplanet]

If BKA do not know whether or not MP/PJ have the evidence it has, it appears at first to be a riddle which can not be solved.
However consider this..... If BKA was unsure whether PJ/MP had the concrete evidence, it would surely IMO be obligated to pass it on to them.
IMO the solution is that there is no need for BKA to pass that evidence to PJ/MP, because, in a sense, PJ/MP already have that evidence IMO.

 

[redplanet]

The PJ took crimescene/forensic photos in the apartment that night. I would love to learn, did the released case files include all of those photos, or only some of those photos?

 

[Loobyloo]

The reality is, although it does maybe seem a little 'cold' on the surface, he has no responsibility to the McCanns. They're not his focus, CB is.

If they have a problem with his methodology, then they should be directing their criticism privately at the Met - their immediate info source, the police force actively engaged in their child's disappearance, the one Clarissa Dick says is in good and ongoing info-sharing partnership with the LE - and let them pursue it, rather than they themselves having a rather arrogant tabloid public go at HCW.

So yes, in answer to your query, I can completely understand HCW's lack of engagement here.

How sure are we that it was actually the McCanns who made the recent statement about HCW's approach being 'beyond bizarre'? Could simply be the tabloids - or their informants - making stuff up.

'friends revealed' 'a friend said'...
Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

 

[Dlk79]

If BKA do not know whether or not MP/PJ have the evidence it has, it appears at first to be a riddle which can not be solved.
However consider this..... If BKA was unsure whether PJ/MP had the concrete evidence, it would surely IMO be obligated to pass it on to them.
IMO the solution is that there is no need for BKA to pass that evidence to PJ/MP, because, in a sense, PJ/MP already have that evidence IMO.

I think you are perhaps overthinking this. IMO, SY, BKA and PJ are all fully aware of the initial allegations made against CB, by HB, which they all consider to be credible. I personally think BKA have then uncovered further evidence that the others haven't been let in on, for whatever reasons. And I can think of many as to why.

 

[redplanet]

I think you are perhaps overthinking this. IMO, SY, BKA and PJ are all fully aware of the initial allegations made against CB, by HB, which they all consider to be credible. I personally think BKA have then uncovered further evidence that the others haven't been let in on, for whatever reasons. And I can think of many as to why.

Looking only at the difference, the extra evidence which BKA claim to have. They claim it is sufficient to be certain of the status of the victim, who did it, and perhaps even how. If that extra evidence was held by a private citizen or private investigator there would IMO exist a moral duty to pass it on to PJ and MP. And that duty exists, all the more IMO, if it is held by BKA. And next looking at MP, they have invested millions in solving this case, and IMO if they learned that BKA have crucial extra evidence, they would certainly IMO request that BKA share it in full. So IMO the situation is slightly more complex and there is some blurring going on.

 

[Anxala]

How sure are we that it was actually the McCanns who made the recent statement about HCW's approach being 'beyond bizarre'? Could simply be the tabloids - or their informants - making stuff up.

'friends revealed' 'a friend said'...
Madeleine McCann's parents believe probe into German suspect is 'beyond bizarre'

No, of course, but I think if it was made up and didn't come from a McC source, it would have been denied by now since it kind of makes the McCs look a bit petulant and as if they're telling HCW - the man who, as far as we know, is painstakingly trying to gather enough evidence to charge his suspect with their child's disappearance - how to do his job.

 

[redplanet]

re. the headline of quoted article here noticed that in Netflix ep.1 about 10.55 NB starts talking about his kids being “particularly tired” also , on the Thursday.
So was it all just effects of an active holiday or something else is interesting perhaps ?
Have always wondered if OG have ever looked at where the kids lunches or snacks originated from ( Millenium ? ) and who was working there ( checks for anything of interest to police ? ) Of course such staff gave statements to the PJ etc , but were the interesting ones looked at in depth by SY ?

I believe PJ ran criminal record checks on all OC staff. To drug via food or drinks in a big group would be inaccurate IMO and probably would drug assorted children and adults. A more targeted way would be possible IMO only with access to apartment. (example, going back to the attack on HB, it has been suspected maybe that intruder had been in that apartment before).

 

[worldwatcher]

Hi you all!
It has been a while, since I posted here and am not really sure if this is mentioned, but CB is ruled out in the disappearance of Jaïr Soares.
It does not surprise me, because there was a local perp, who was seen by several witnesses, matching the description of Jaïr. Sadly it was never investigated thoroughly by Dutch LE
Verdachte in zaak-Maddie McCann niet betrokken bij verdwijning Jaïr Soares

 

[Trivento]

Looking only at the difference, the extra evidence which BKA claim to have. They claim it is sufficient to be certain of the status of the victim, who did it, and perhaps even how. If that extra evidence was held by a private citizen or private investigator there would IMO exist a moral duty to pass it on to PJ and MP. And that duty exists, all the more IMO, if it is held by BKA. And next looking at MP, they have invested millions in solving this case, and IMO if they learned that BKA have crucial extra evidence, they would certainly IMO request that BKA share it in full. So IMO the situation is slightly more complex and there is some blurring going on.

Madeleine McCann still a missing person case - Dame Cressida Dick

Although in this article DCD is quoted as saying wouldn’t expect everything to be shared by BKA.

 

[Trivento]

I believe PJ ran criminal record checks on all OC staff. To drug via food or drinks in a big group would be inaccurate IMO and probably would drug assorted children and adults. A more targeted way would be possible IMO only with access to apartment. (example, going back to the attack on HB, it has been suspected maybe that intruder had been in that apartment before).

And believe at least one of OC catering staff is reported as having a criminal record , so is why am curious if SY have looked further into it , eg. as possible accomplices.
As for snack/drinks being tampered with..admit it is remote..but also depends how those things were arranged for children...may have been set aside for individual kids with their names on for example ( fairly common at many childcare facilities )

 

[Chiatos]

Hi you all!
It has been a while, since I posted here and am not really sure if this is mentioned, but CB is ruled out in the disappearance of Jaïr Soares.
It does not surprise me, because there was a local perp, who was seen by several witnesses, matching the description of Jaïr. Sadly it was never investigated thoroughly by Dutch LE
Verdachte in zaak-Maddie McCann niet betrokken bij verdwijning Jaïr Soares

Thanks for this info, Worldwatcher.
Apparently CB was nowhere in NL at the time.
I hope the disappearance of Jair will be solved some time.
The local perp has died in the meantime I believe?
He must have left Jair's body somewhere....