Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

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  • #221
That one and one of your MASSIVE written "theories":

"IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so."


is IMO wrong in the way, that footage of sexual crimes could even have been made to put it in the darkweb for some other private reasons!

Maybe not jerking off later on sundays, but...as i said...lots of these communities demand to deliver, before consuming....

And i'm sure you know that!

If you get to the servers (LEA) you get totality of the content.

For now and up LEA says they have evidence in contrary I'm more "happy" to think that those images of MM do not exist rather than posting here what kind of content could exist...

You see people can believe in what they want and that doesn't change truth. So let's see at the end who is correct on this one. If I'm wrong I guess it's no big deal for you guys as you all will have your case closure.

Happy Sleuthing.
 
  • #222
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Maybe not jerking off later on sundays, but...as i said...lots of these communities demand to deliver, before consuming....

And i'm sure you know that!

So, just to add to my knowledge (as you guys aparently are the experts) can you please tell me of a SINGLE case of a missing child that was adverted on the media like MM, etc where SEXUAL CONTENT WERE FOUND of the children on the darkweb/clearnet ?

Maybe for example in the case of "Rui Pedro" and It's a BIG maybe as they couldn't conclude it was him but in general can you link to an article that states that a long-term missing child was found dead/abused with the intention of making content to "trade" or sell ?
 
  • #223
If you get to the servers (LEA) you get totality of the content.

For now and up LEA says they have evidence in contrary I'm more "happy" to think that those images of MM do not exist rather than posting here what kind of content could exist...

You see people can believe in what they want and that doesn't change truth. So let's see at the end who is correct on this one. If I'm wrong I guess it's no big deal for you guys as you all will have your case closure.

Happy Sleuthing.

No a single person in here has to close that case, but the prosecuters have to! And i'm sure, that they will do. If you want to say something that helps to do it.....DO IT!
 
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No at single person in here has to close that case, but the prosecuters! And i'm sure, that they will do. If you want to say something that helps to do it.....DO IT!

Yes, IF the prosecuters end/close the case and CB is indeed the one who did it then you and all of the majority of members here are correct (because he was the one who did it). If prosecuter can't charge him but can state and show to MM family some sort of evidence that MM is dead like photos/video/abuse like you say then you guys were correct. If the MM case is "related" to the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 "network" stated you are correct as well.

NOT that you will close the case but the case will be closed and will have a "sollution" or people will know, you see like in the case of Peggy .... There was "No Justice" as the guys didn't end in jail but we know more or less what did happen, right ? If it's something like that you guys were correct also.

Now IF BKA can't charge and can't produce something more substancial like at least some DNA evidence or photo or indirect material evidence and IF all that they have is statement of those "old" friends of CB you guys can mock me at will and say that i'm a very bad "investigator" or whatever, because I will be wrong.

I can't offer more help as I don't have as much knowledge of this particular MM case as all of you guys here have. I don't have a clue about what happened to MM.

IF I WERE to be able to help in providing something that would conduct to the closure of this case I WOULD HAVE DONE SO already, believe me. I can't help with the case in general but i can tell when something doesn't look right and for me this is a little bit a waste of time chacing wrong suspect but ok ... later we will see.
 
  • #225
I agree that the existence of photos/videos is unlikely for the reasons I won't repeat.
 
  • #226
Yes, IF the prosecuters end/close the case and CB is indeed the one who did it then you and all of the majority of members here are correct (because he was the one who did it). If prosecuter can't charge him but can state and show to MM family some sort of evidence that MM is dead like photos/video/abuse like you say then you guys were correct. If the MM case is "related" to the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 "network" stated you are correct as well.

NOT that you will close the case but the case will be closed and will have a "sollution" or people will know, you see like in the case of Peggy .... There was "No Justice" as the guys didn't end in jail but we know more or less what did happen, right ? If it's something like that you guys were correct also.

Now IF BKA can't charge and can't produce something more substancial like at least some DNA evidence or photo or indirect material evidence and IF all that they have is statement of those "old" friends of CB you guys can mock me at will and say that i'm a very bad "investigator" or whatever, because I will be wrong.

I can't offer more help as I don't have as much knowledge of this particular MM case as all of you guys here have. I don't have a clue about what happened to MM.

IF I WERE to be able to help in providing something that would conduct to the closure of this case I WOULD HAVE DONE SO already, believe me. I can't help with the case in general but i can tell when something doesn't look right and for me this is a little bit a waste of time chacing wrong suspect but ok ... later we will see.

"NOT that you will close the case but the case will be closed and will have a "sollution" or people will know, you see like in the case of Peggy .... There was "No Justice" as the guys didn't end in jail but we know more or less what did happen, right ? If it's something like that you guys were correct also.

Now IF BKA can't charge and can't produce something more substancial like at least some DNA evidence or photo or indirect material evidence and IF all that they have is statement of those "old" friends of CB you guys can mock me at will and say that i'm a very bad "investigator" or whatever, because I will be wrong."

Please feel free to go into detail, especially according to Peggy and CB's old friends.
 
  • #227
I agree that the existence of photos/videos is unlikely for the reasons I won't repeat.

No problem. I'm sure that FF follows the same opinion.;)
 
  • #228
Please feel free to go into detail, especially according to Peggy and CB's old friends.

Sorry, my English is not very good and my typing is bad as well.

What I was saying is that IF i'm correct ALL that BKA have is "something" like CB old friends confession.

IF they have something more BUT it's NOT ENOUGHT to place CB on jail (like it happened with the guys that were aquitted on Peggy K. case) even if CB is not charged IF THERE ARE EVIDENCES like DNA or MM "sexual" content or post-mortem content like videos/photos then you guys were correct also and I was in the wrong.

What I'm saying is that IF i'm correct BKA will not be able to present "something" that even if it's not enought to place CB on jail for MM crime IT'S ENOUGHT for us to be certain at some degree and without doubt that CB was the one doing the crime.

MY BET is that we will NOT GET something "more solid" than confessions and words/statements from one or another person apart the phone logs that place CB in PDL and stuff like that.
 
  • #229
Is that your bet, or your hope at all?
 
  • #230
Is that your bet, or your hope at all?

My "bet" and my "opinion" as someone who is attempting to "profile" CB as well as someone who is attempting to analyze the situation (BKA claiming they have evidences of MM death, that CB is the killer and up untill now nothing was "presented" because aparently there are no "solid" evidence for conviction).

My "hope" ? Wanna really know ?

At this stage it would be "better" for all of us for the MM case to have an end / a closure so that people who care for THE CASE can relax and have the sensation that one more piece of junk is rotting in jail. Even if CB IS NOT guilty of MM case he is already guilty of many nasty crimes and he deserves to rot in jail anyway.

To be honest ... Well ... This is "kind of selfish" and I think that people can hate me for saying this but yes ... I DO HOPE in one way that CB "is guilty" OF MM CRIME but on the other hand "logic" and my line of thinking/investigating says he IS NOT.

IF he is guilty the MM case is closed for good and the family can have a "sense" of justice been made.

BUT what I WISH and what I THINK are not the same. I CAN WISH for him to be the one even if I THINK that with all that was stated so far most likely he isn't.

And there is a huge "SELFISH" "reason" that I have for in some other ways be rather "more confortable" if CB were to be cleared from CHILD MURDERER/CHARGES. EVEN if CB is "involved" on MM crime the more he is close to a "child murderer" the more murderers he might have commited and as stated on my long post I don't want to loose hope.

Let's put this on another way, IF I WERE 100% sure that CB only killed MM that would be "reasonable" because in my mind MM did die an horrible sexual related death (if we exclude all other possibilities) and if CB didn't kill her then other guy did it anyway. BUT IF CB were to be "involved" in MM death the chances that he did commit more murderer crimes (killed other children) are bigger, right ? Who kills one can kill many more. SO IN CRIMES that CB might BE LINKED there would be MORE CHANCES that he have done it. SO ... That would remove "the equation" another type of "death" for those same "missing cases". Also IT would mean that I am a very bad "investigator" as I stated that I THINK he is not the one who killed MM and at this stage I do need to be a good investigator if i want to help cracking some other crimes...
 
  • #231
Well, your post seems a little bit like having some problems with the suspect itself.

Could you please give it some more substance?

I would like to understand your opinion.
 
  • #232
Well, your post seems a little bit like having some problems with the suspect itself.

Could you please give it some more substance?

I would like to understand your opinion.

It doesn't have to do with CB on himself; it have to do with the children on the other cases that he might be linked to. The ones that I think to have "died" by "accident" or any other sort of quick death... I don't want to later on have the "deception" of figuring out that they in fact prey of CB and my believes (regarding those cases) were wrong. Goes without saying that even if CB didn't kill MM he might still have killed other children but the chances are lower than they would be if CB did kill MM. Once you kill one child you can kill others just as easy. If you didn't go that far and you are not a killer chances are higher that he didn't get any involvment on other cases as well. And any "child killer "X"" wouldn't be "possible connected" to the same crimes that CB "possible is".
 
  • #233
But even if I place my personal wishes and feelings aside the fact is that so far with all that BKA did presented us with I still think that CB is not MM killer (or at least we still don't have enough data).

If BKA does contact MM family and tell them that they have photos/videos of dead MM or MM under abuse I will guive credibility to BKA and I will say that I was wrong. Up until then I think they are just "bluffing" in hope for a confession or for someone to provide more data on CB.

But with all of this I started to believe that he is not the correct one (who killed MM and others).

THIS DOESN'T PROVIDE EXCUSE FOR HIS OTHER CRIMES AND HE STILL NEEDS TO ROT IN JAIL.
 
  • #234
It doesn't have to do with CB on himself; it have to do with the children on the other cases that he might be linked to. The ones that I think to have "died" by "accident" or any other sort of quick death... I don't want to later on have the "deception" of figuring out that they in fact prey of CB and my believes (regarding those cases) were wrong. Goes without saying that even if CB didn't kill MM he might still have killed other children but the chances are lower than they would be if CB did kill MM. Once you kill one child you can kill others just as easy. If you didn't go that far and you are not a killer chances are higher that he didn't get any involvment on other cases as well. And any "child killer "X"" wouldn't be "possible connected" to the same crimes that CB "possible is".

"Once you kill one child you can kill others just as easy."

Really...?
 
  • #235
"Once you kill one child you can kill others just as easy."

Really...?

If the guy is "just" a pedo that looks at child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and abuse children but doesn't go as far as kill that is one thing. If he kills and hides the body in a way that the child is gone for good chances are that he can do the same to other child the same way.

What I mean is for example, assume that CB did kill MM and did get rid of the body in a way that up untill now no-one ever found anything about her, how can one be 100% sure that he didn't use the same sort of method on Rene (for example) ?

Assuming MM was indeed killed by him (or anyone else for that matter) if the one doing the crime up until now was not "discovered" and the body of MM (assuming she is indeed dead) did never apear then the same "killer" might have used the same method to make disapear for good other children.

If you kill one you can kill many, like for example that Ney guy who killed several boys and did even confess that he did kill more whose bodies were never discovered.

If you are NOT A KILLER even if you are a rapist/abuser/whatever you do your crimes but you will not go and KILL the victims.

That is why people get diferent time in jail for diferent crimes, correct ? If you kill someone you will be in jail way more time rather then you will be if you just steal some gas...
 
  • #236
"Once you kill one child you can kill others just as easy."

Really...?

Like a serial-killer. Of course i'm not talking about killing in self-defense of things like that or even killing the wife that got divorced from you.

If you are a serial killer most likely you will kill more, or at least the chances are there. If he already killed one (MM) and even more if he was not busted and if the body didn't appear (SUPOSING IT WAS HIM - OF COURSE) why would he think twice when he vae the chance to strike again ?
 
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1 - I did a quick check on the usernames/profiles of the most active members of this forum replying on this particular MM thread and I did reach the conclusion that most of you guys did join the WEBSLEUTHS just by the time that BKA announced to have the new suspect on the MM case so it's quite reasonable to assume that "most" of you guys are here mainly for MM and probably most of you guys did came from other "older" forums like J4, PFA2, etc - all MM centered - so your knowledge over the MM case is far superior than mine yet I will contribute a little bit more to this thread just because I want to have this posted here so that i can come back here next year and check if i was right or wrong.

2 - Let's see; Münster issue : -

According to the German Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), the man created a child exploitation forum and hosted it as an onion service. He allegedly launched the forum in 2010 and kept it running through 2014, according to a BKA press release.

In addition to the charges stemming from the operation of the forum, the defendant faces charges for sexually abusing children between April 2013 and April 2020. He allegedly distributed films of the assaults on various darkweb forums under a number of usernames.


I would say that :

a) The guys were running a SERVER that hosted a FORUM that could be accessed over TOR, meaning that they would of course have their own content BUT that amount of data that they are talking about would refer to a "combined" amount of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 uploaded by ALL members of the forum and not just the acused. On TOR you shouldn't be able to get the IP of the other guys at "client" side so LEA "busted" the "server" and did get to the ones running it but a bet that a big huge amount of people did get away as they would be all over the world using the server by that time. Same would be like all of us posting here and if this site were to went down the "data" on it collected by someone who would have the server would be the total amount of content uploaded by ALL of us.

b) If you think about what I wrote on a) you will see that by collecting the server data you can not only get the data from the "producers" but you can get as well the uploaded data plus the data that was shared "in private".

c) I don't know hom many of you are in LEA and I would bet no-one is as most of you would be MM case followers providing your ideas all over the years on diferent forums but for those who deal with HUGE amount of Missing Children cases it's quite simple; the majority of the Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 that is produced and shared even on the "darkweb" - let's say - TOR servers - is produced NORMALY by family of the victims and relatives or close friends, also pedos that "trade" or "share" their own victims with other pedos to get to the children of the other pedos as well, and this is HORRIBLE because there are a huge amount of victims that will typicaly be abused for years and years and endure hours of abused as stated, like several pedos taking turns in abusing. But then again this is one thing that normaly doesn't happen on missing children cases. How many cases of children are know to be "abducted" by a stranger to produce child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 ? Think about this.

d) If MM were to be filmed/photos were to be taken and uploaded to the "darkweb" by now they would have been found. Simple. Same as for same type of content of the other "high profile" missing girls/boys. AND IF those photos were to be found LEA would right way INFORM the PARENTS and the POLICE IN CHARGE OF THE MISSING CHILDREN CASE. This is because those operations are runned by Europol/Interpol. Did PJ say anything about photos of MM found AFTER her abduction ?

e) IF there are content of MM suffering abuse that content is "exclusive" kept by the abuser, like someone that would rape and keep the video, like CB have done with the older lady and the little girl he did abuse. Were those "videos"/"photos" posted on the darkweb ? I don't think so.

f) NO WAY the parents of MM to NOT BE INFORMED if pedo/content were to be found with MM suffering abuse. Again I don't know A SINGLE CASE of a kidnapped HIGH PROFILE little girl like MM that was kidnapped to produce Child 🤬🤬🤬🤬.

g) YES, MM case do LOOK LIKE a kidnapp most likely by someone with sexual motivations like the very recent guy from Germany that get the little girl from her bedroom to abuse and later attempted to kill her on the river. This is the TYPICAL scenario - Kidnapper with sexual motivation will abuse the "stranger" child and kill her. Other options MIGHT be possible but are NOT VERY LIKELY.

h) At any rate IF MM was taken by CB I truly don't think that "content" were shared of the abuse. Now if we gather what we have we will know that pen drives/memory cards from CB were apreended. They were BURRIED so for me it does mean that CB wouldn't use them often otherwise he would have to dig up the hole with the dog's bones to get the content when he needed. If it's something that you use often you want to have it handy and 2 - Police din't have any trouble to get to the content so the memory cards WERE NOT ENCRYPTED as expected from someone STUPID like CB so ...

3 - About CB : - I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTIVATION (people from this forum/thread) and I DO UNDERSTAND how much all of you guys do want for this to be a "lead" that will end to the closure of the MM case. I DO UNDERSTAND AS WELL that i might be "fishy" or "strange" even more because I did just register some weeks ago but I'M NOT AN ANTI and I'M not a PRO (Mccann). I try to see things in a logic way, my logic, even if it's a strange logic.

For me :

a) Someone like the "old" "friends" of CB did turn him in for several reasons. Might be to get away from their own problems with law, might be that they are after the reward and it might be that they do BELIEVE as certain true that CB did kill MM.

b) That "someone" passes to LEA info about CB including the PT mobile phone number that CB was using when MM went missing. On the MM files available on the DVD that the PJ provided there are NO REVERSE MATCH of numbers to holders so German BKA would NEVER KNOW what number would be used by CB IN PORTUGAL as they didn't have access to the phone network providers and the data IS NOT on the PJ files/DVD. They could match IMEI to Number and Client but they would do that in GERMAN. They would need to request PJ to do the same in PT. Goes without saying the phone number was provided to BKA by "someone" I of course that I would assume that it's related to CB old friends.

c) BKA in particular HCW have his own motivations to go after CB or to solve MM case. Might be MANY reasons. It might be that he TRULLY BELIEVE that CB is guilty (the same way GA would "blindly" believe that the Mccanns did it) or it might even be "something else" like wanting to solve the MM case for some particular reason/interest or even not be MM related and wanted to get CB for other reasons/crimes or might be after other stuff possible hidden on CB places like drugs/money, or might even be several reasons. So HCW - IN MY OPPINION - have STATMENTS from older friends of CB and that is what starts all of this. Of course he did run the search of CB phone number provided by CB old friend on the data provided by PJ on the DVD and that match but WITHOUT someone saying it was CB number BKA couldn't "guess".

4 - I don't want to disturb ANYONE HERE but i do make "my bet" so that i can return here in the next year and see if i'm right or worng. I do BET (AGAINS THE MAJORITY OF ODDS NOW) that CB WILL NOT be charged with MM killing/death. Most of you will disagree. To be honest I'm NOT SURE that he is indeed "cleared" from the killing/abuse/MM as I'm NOT sure about the other suspects like Robert M. in the past, even Ray. H., etc ... this case is NOT a case that i did pay much attention so i'm no-one to judge or tell but I'm just using my capability of reasoning to check how likely all of this is to happen and I trully believe that after all of this CB IS NOT going to be charged (for MM case of course). JUST MY BET.

Justifications :

- He would have filmed the abuses.
- Those media would have been found by now.
- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed.
- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail.
- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it.
-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines.

5 - I DON'T HAVE ANY LINK TO CB I did state this MANY TIMES and I DO HOPE that HE ROT IN JAIL !

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MY MOTIVATIONS
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I did JUST WISH that CB would NOT BE THE KILLER in SOME CASES not because I would like for other killer to abuse the child on the place of CB but TO LET OTHER POSSIBILITIES TO BE VIABLE.

- On BRAZIL 10 years ago or so a woman did capur several girls and kept them on a garage, she TORTURED the girls for almost one year, torture would include burning, raping (with objects) and even cutting parts of the body of those girls. This kind of people DO ENJOY the suffering of the child.
- By the same time more or less in INDIA some pedo guys did get hold to a 5 yo (or so) that was living near and did rape her and tortured her for 2 days without stopping changing between abusers, girl was "rescued" but did end up dying on hospital.

THIS IS MY FEAR - Someone that I DO CARE to end up like that. Idea is that for me to be here is not just "following" the news and what people think. While for most of you guys the OUTCOME is what matter for me the less the child did end up suffering the better and why is then the interest in CB so big for me ?

Let's say for example that by any reason (that doesn't matter for you guys to know) I don't wish for example that RENÉ HASSÉ in particular did suffer allot when dying. Now I can believe that he did just drown. I can be almost certain that he did drown. He have a case in portugal where students from college were near the water (drunk) and were simply pulled by a wave from the shore to the water and dyed. We have a famouse musician that recently comited suicide by jumping to the water and did never appear(the body). There are cases of children missing on the water and people see them drowning and can't save them and the body can't be recovered. IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. For me It's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that something like that did happen to René. Might not be "likely" but it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Got it ? Like in the cat in the box that it's alive and dead up untill you open the box. If police now finds that RENÉ was killed by CB the option of "fast painless drowning" becames a dead by a sexual predator.

That is WHY i did react the way I did on my other posts. IT'S NOT that I DO WANT for CB to get away with crime it's just that on CASES THAT MATTER TO ME there are OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS apart from a SEXUAL PREDATOR and if CB were to be guilty on those then the death/suffering of the child would not be the same.
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BUT I did change my mind in relation to the MM case in one way; IF and only IF all other possibilities are exausted than IT DOES LOOK LIKE that on MM particular case the only VIABLE LEAD is a PEDO/SEXUAL predator so IF THAT is the case then yes, as fast as he is on jail the better. I DON'T CARE if CB is charged for example in exchange for Robert M. or "mister x" or whatever but i WOULD for example mind if a "possible drowning/possible crime" became a "no drowning/certain crime". Goes without saying that It's an example, it goes for all other missing children cases.

Now we wait and we will see. IF CB is indeed guilty the hope might be that someone else will provide more info on CB to frame him. If NOT the chance is that they will not have anything more than just words. BUT this is a verifiable thing. If on the next year BKA can't charge CB then i was correct. If they can or at least if they can try to get him to trial so I WAS WRONG and I ADMIT IT, so I'm lefting this post here for confirmation.

By now all looks like that HCW "evidence is strong", so odds are that he will at least attempt to get him to trial. If he can't I'm correct.

If there are things like photos of MM (abused) they will charge for sure. No way they will hide that. If there are I will loose as well.

If there aren't my "sleuthing" was "ok" - or in this case my "profiling".

I will NOT be able to attempt to help in solving the case(s) rhat I want if i start to make mistakes in my judgment, so this is a test to myself so that i can see later if i as right or wrong regarding CB ! Just that.

Thanks for reading my long post. I will update further If i find necessary to coment further on this matter.
I won't address the whole post as that would take days, but picking up on the "justifications" for your conclusions, I'd make a few observations:

"- He would have filmed the abuses."

That depends on the circumstances and whether he had the opportunity. Just because he filmed "some" abuse he carried out, doesn’t mean he always did. We know of at least 4 inicidents of CB's sexual deviance in the presence of children, and only one of them was captured by him on film. Should also be noted that HCW only suggests abuse as a possibility, so in the event of there being potential photo/video evidence, it might not even show any abuse, but something else such as a dead body.

"- Those media would have been found by now."

Why would they? Because the police found some devices of pornographic abuse almost 10 years later, that he buried in a different country? He was living all over the place at the time. Where is the video that he filmed of the DM rape in 2005? He was convicted for the crime in 2018 without the video evidence of it, and with nobody claiming to have ever seen it (the rape videos found in the farmhouse were not of her). Although granted, I think further video/photo evidence connected to CB may have been located that we are yet to learn about. And I won't go into the rabbit hole about whether CB ever uploaded any videos to the darkweb but also find that indeed plausible if he wanted gain traction with members of that community.

"- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed."

On what do you base the assertion that CB never attempted to dispose of evidence? He went to great lengths to avoid leaving evidence in rape of the old woman. He asked his "friends" to get rid of damning rape evidence stored at his farmhouse and buried other paedophile footage in the box factory underground. Aren't those surely attempts to conceal evidence? Again, just because the police have found "some" evidence implicating him previously, doesn't mean there isn't a load more evidence thay he did manage to keep hidden. The man was a prolific burglar after all, yet has next to nothing on his police record for burgalry so he must have been doing some things "right". It also doesn’t mean we know everything he would or wouldn't do, or what he is capable of in certain extreme/unforeseen scenarios.

"- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail."

This point makes no sense. Maybe he only killed MM, maybe there are more victims. But even if there were more, what does that prove here? It seems like you are trying to say CB can't have killed MM because he hasnt been found guilty of any other murders yet! Do you think every convicted murderer gets caught straight after their first kill?

"- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it."

And yet, we've no evidence that he did ever keep a child held hostage. All his known abuses of children were somewhat opportunistic. And also, in all this argument, you ignore the possibility that perhaps CB did not set out with a plan to kill MM, or even a plan to abuse her. That it was perhaps simply out of necessity, or panic, or to cover his tracks after an opportunistic abuse attempt went wrong.

"-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines."

We've had some kind German people interpret this web transcript on the thread previously, and they say it does not necessarily give the indication that it's something he hasn't already done before. The use of the word "finally" is perhaps what does not translate very well, but in this context can mean "again, following a long time of not having done it". The same as one might say "I can finally take a rest". But even if he hadn't done something like that before, that doesn’t rule out CB as MM's murderer, it just means he did not torture her for days in this case, which is effectviely what HCW has said anyway, he believes she was killed relatively quickly. And again, if the death was unplanned, all the motives and proclivity stuff means nothing anyway, as the killer may have just been reacting on instinct, rather than conforming to a specific behaviour profile.

The problem with most of your argument is you seem to have already decided what sequence of events must have taken place that night by interpreting your likeliest secnario of what "CB would have done to MM". Then you appear to try and discredit that singular theory and claim it as some sort of proof of that CB is therefore not responsible. You fail to account for any other scenarios where CB could be guilty of this girl's muder. Scenarios which might not be quite as horrific or structured as the one you seem to have in your mind.
 
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I won't address the whole post as that would take days, but picking up on the "justifications" for your conclusions, I'd make a few observations:

"- He would have filmed the abuses."

That depends on the circumstances and whether he had the opportunity. Just because he filmed "some" abuse he carried out, doesn’t mean he always did. We know of at least 4 inicidents of CB's sexual deviance in the presence of children, and only one of them was captured by him on film. Should also be noted that HCW only suggests abuse as a possibility, so in the event of there being potential photo/video evidence, it might not even show any abuse, but something else such as a dead body.

"- Those media would have been found by now."

Why would they? Because the police found some devices of pornographic abuse almost 10 years later, that he buried in a different country? He was living all over the place at the time. Where is the video that he filmed of the DM rape in 2005? He was convicted for the crime in 2018 without the video evidence of it, and with nobody claiming to have ever seen it (the rape videos found in the farmhouse were not of her). Although granted, I think further video/photo evidence connected to CB may have been located that we are yet to learn about. And I won't go into the rabbit hole about whether CB ever uploaded any videos to the darkweb but also find that indeed plausible if he wanted gain traction with members of that community.

"- He did abuse several kids and even old woman and never attempt to dispose of evidences so it wouldn't make sense to kill MM to "hide" the rape. If he were that kind of guy he wouldn't go and expose himself for no gain at all and risk to get jailed."

On what do you base the assertion that CB never attempted to dispose of evidence? He went to great lengths to avoid leaving evidence in rape of the old woman. He asked his "friends" to get rid of damning rape evidence stored at his farmhouse and buried other paedophile footage in the box factory underground. Aren't those surely attempts to conceal evidence? Again, just because the police have found "some" evidence implicating him previously, doesn't mean there isn't a load more evidence thay he did manage to keep hidden. The man was a prolific burglar after all, yet has next to nothing on his police record for burgalry so he must have been doing some things "right". It also doesn’t mean we know everything he would or wouldn't do, or what he is capable of in certain extreme/unforeseen scenarios.

"- He would have done WAY MORE victims and there would be EVIDENCES for at least some of his victims. Take some other example like pedo/child killers that kill several kids and get busted by evidences found of one or 2 kids that they killed when in fact they did kill much more. The more you kill the more likely it is to get in Jail."

This point makes no sense. Maybe he only killed MM, maybe there are more victims. But even if there were more, what does that prove here? It seems like you are trying to say CB can't have killed MM because he hasnt been found guilty of any other murders yet! Do you think every convicted murderer gets caught straight after their first kill?

"- CB have the PERFECT condition to abuse kids, he could lock the kids on the secret basements and even on the van and torture them for days or even more if he wanted to, there would be NO NEED to use a child just once and kill it, it would kept the child locked to multiple abuse as stated by himself - he would do it because he stated that he wanted to do it."

And yet, we've no evidence that he did ever keep a child held hostage. All his known abuses of children were somewhat opportunistic. And also, in all this argument, you ignore the possibility that perhaps CB did not set out with a plan to kill MM, or even a plan to abuse her. That it was perhaps simply out of necessity, or panic, or to cover his tracks after an opportunistic abuse attempt went wrong.

"-IF CB did state on 2013 that WE WOULD LIKE to get a little girl to abuse for days and if the translation is not lost and if his words are exactly like that so i does suggest that if he wants to or wishes to it's because he (back in 2013) WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT YET ! Otherwise he would state "For once i did rape a little one for days". Something among those lines."

We've had some kind German people interpret this web transcript on the thread previously, and they say it does not necessarily give the indication that it's something he hasn't already done before. The use of the word "finally" is perhaps what does not translate very well, but in this context can mean "again, following a long time of not having done it". The same as one might say "I can finally take a rest". But even if he hadn't done something like that before, that doesn’t rule out CB as MM's murderer, it just means he did not torture her for days in this case, which is effectviely what HCW has said anyway, he believes she was killed relatively quickly. And again, if the death was unplanned, all the motives and proclivity stuff means nothing anyway, as the killer may have just been reacting on instinct, rather than conforming to a specific behaviour profile.

The problem with most of your argument is you seem to have already decided what sequence of events must have taken place that night by interpreting your likeliest secnario of what "CB would have done to MM". Then you appear to try and discredit that singular theory and claim it as some sort of proof of that CB is therefore not responsible. You fail to account for any other scenarios where CB could be guilty of this girl's muder. Scenarios which might not be quite as horrific or structured as the one you seem to have in your mind.
Agreed. That is a good summary '79. An example: at Praia de Vales it was burglary, no assault at all. And ex-friends describe him as a frequent burglar. It is possible there was no sexual assault in the MM case,
 
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What if BKA had BKA dogs inspect every item found at all the CB locations they have searched?
 
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