Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

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  • #381
As i understood the reports there should be "hardware" in form af maybe computers (or cameras) due to the Braunschweig raid and the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 trial. Neuwegersleben should have brought up some memorycards (exilim) and drives of some kind.

So we are talking about a time window of 2013-2016.

There is no official and public info about the other raids, including the allotments IMO.

But after 2016, how much time did he may have had, to produce new material? He should had been pretty busy dealing with other problems...

Fall Maddie: Christian B. missbrauchte Tochter (5) seiner Ex-Freundin

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  • #382
And they have deleted stuff of mine too
I just think some people have taken you the wrong way, so let's all carry on doing what we do, there is room for us all :)
I guess we have all had posts deleted... it's not the members but the admins. And they have their reasons! Clearly stated that we should not rehash old theories but focus on CB. I have no idea what your posts that were deleted were about.
 
  • #383
Interesting! So inspection after august the 2nd and Eddie and Keela made their job around 6th or 7th. of august? Would like to know, what (maybe cheap) car mechanic in PDL did that inspection.
 
  • #384
Going back again to my BKA chance find theory by lifting up a big child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 market again. Please excuse if annoying!

How big are the chances, that the young and "unknown" but maybe aspiring FF, with "VIP solicitor" JS in background, are really defending the destitute "nobody" CB in first place, rather than some of his well situated customers on darkweb in the last years on second view?o_O

Could it even explain the unusal behavior and secrecy of HCW....?

Still awaiting the big legal outcry, forced by FF after the yoghurtribgate! Is FF that interested in his official client?:D
 
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  • #385
Interesting! So inspection after august the 2nd and Eddie and Keela made their job around 6th or 7th. of august? Would like to know, what (maybe cheap) car mechanic in PDL did that inspection.
What I mean is: the car was inspected by the noses of the UK dogs (not by a mechanic). I will try to find the accurate dates.
ETA. PJ took possession of Scenic on 06 Aug, it was inspected by the UK dogs on 06 and early hours 07 Aug, (and was returned to the family I assume on 07 Aug?)
 
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  • #386
To me HCW aparently either have something "personal" against CB or he simply have something "personal" to want to go so far as he can to solve the MM case (like afinity for the Mccanns, etc). If tabloid reports are correct HCW is somewhat "obcessed" over the MM case. It can be an issue with the tabloids itself over exposing the statments of HCW but i don't thinks so. I can't blame him at all as he reminds me of someone that i know... but then again he might be "blind" by his believes, waiting to see if he can charge CB on 2021. Aparently they don't even have enough to secure a warrant. In PT if you have strong leads a court might issue a warrent to further investigate a suspect even if they end up not having enough for a charge or find the suspect guilty. If they say on the media that they don't have enough to secure a warrant this is not looking good to secure an arrest over MM case even if they have ways to end up incriminating CB over the other 3 crimes allegadly done in Portugal by CB.
Also so far the crimes that CB have been found guilty of did place him him in jail for small periods of time. The "biggest" one was the rape of the old lady but for the "abuses" of the 5yo child he did get very short sentence/time in jail... Meaning type of abuse was not as severe as "rape" as that would make him rot in jail for at least more 7 or more years. Would he go so far as killing a little girl ? Maybe yes, in certain circumstances, like if a child were to resist abuse and he didn't have other choice. Maybe yes, he did enter the apartment to steal and end up having to deal with MM. Yet I still can't picture him as a mass-child-killer/serial killer/multiple child killer as for example Ney. And I do think that all of this "pressure" that HCW is making over CB is not "natural" either. It's kind of "personal" like HCW does hate him very badly. Maybe because he does know for fact that he did kill MM and migh get away with it but my gut feeling tells me that there is something way more to it...
 
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  • #387
What I mean is: the car was inspected by the noses of the UK dogs (not by a mechanic). I will try to find the accurate dates.

Aaah, okay! Thank you. In the PJ files i read something about the dogs around 6th or 7th of august. The timeline of the rental seemed to stop around 2nd of august. But maybe i'm getting that wrong.
 
  • #388
To me HCW aparently either have something "personal" against CB or he simply have something "personal" to want to go so far as he can to solve the MM case.

Nice, you are back! So you think a german prosecuter has something THAT personal against a notorious criminal, that he links him not only to the most infamous abduction in europe over the last decades, but even feeds it with murder?

Why do you follow that opinion? Can you please go into detail?
 
  • #389
So you think, it may have been an accidental death? Of course, that wouldn't make CB a serial killer, as these perpetrators are usually known.

That is correct!
 
  • #390
To me HCW aparently either have something "personal" against CB or he simply have something "personal" to want to go so far as he can to solve the MM case (like afinity for the Mccanns, etc). If tabloid reports are correct HCW is somewhat "obcessed" over the MM case. It can be an issue with the tabloids itself over exposing the statments of HCW but i don't thinks so. I can't blame him at all as he reminds me of someone that i know... but then again he might be "blind" by his believes, waiting to see if he can charge CB on 2021. Aparently they don't even have enough to secure a warrant. In PT if you have strong leads a court might issue a warrent to further investigate a suspect even if they end up not having enough for a charge or find the suspect guilty. If they say on the media that they don't have enough to secure a warrant this is not looking good to secure an arrest over MM case even if they have ways to end up incriminating CB over the other 3 crimes allegadly done in Portugal by CB.
Also so far the crimes that CB have been found guilty of did place him him in jail for small periods of time. The "biggest" one was the rape of the old lady but for the "abuses" of the 5yo child he did get very short sentence/time in jail... Meaning type of abuse was not as severe as "rape" as that would make him rot in jail for at least more 7 or more years. Would he go so far as killing a little girl ? Maybe yes, in certain circumstances, like if a child were to resist abuse and he didn't have other choice. Maybe yes, he did enter the apartment to steal and end up having to deal with MM. Yet I still can't picture him as a mass-child-killer/serial killer/multiple child killer as for example Ney. And I do think that all of this "pressure" that HCW is making over CB is not "natural" either. It's kind of "personal" like HCW does hate him very badly. Maybe because he does know for fact that he did kill MM and migh get away with it but my gut feeling tells me that there is something way more to it...

So rather like Amaral? Blinded by his beliefs?
 
  • #391
Nice, you are back! So you think a german prosecuter has something THAT personal against a notorious criminal, that he links him not only to the most infamous abduction in europe over the last decades, but even feeds it with murder?

Why do you follow that opinion? Can you please go into detail?

Gut feeling/instinct only.

I'm not saying that HCW is trying to blame CB over the MM crime without solid ground.

I'm saying that HCW looks like (to me) as either having some issues with CB (to hate him in a "personal way") or he does have personal interest on MM case.

We see prosecuters talking on media about many diferent matters/cases and no-one does stuff like HCW to go to the trouble of even "replying" to every single media query and even that stuff that they publish when the MM parents were questioning HCW because he diedn't questioned CB, etc ... he didn't have to reply and even less on the public media. He didn't have to make this go "so far" ... like if the MM case (or MM, or whatever) is somehow "very special" for him so that he goes to all the trouble to find the truth and place CB in jail over that particular case for good.

Take for example the case of the "prostitute" that I did mentioned some posts ago. CB was the prime suspect over that case (if we are to believe on what is stated on the press) and yet no-one went to the tabloids making all the "fuss" that HCW is doing over MM. Even now, why HCW doesn't re-enforce that CB have to be re-investigated over those matters ?

FORTUNATLY (at some rate) they are no longer talking about it and linking cases but it does look like that MM query/investigation is the "big price" to HCW.

He could simply stay quiet and only say on the press that investigation is undergoing or if he wanted to talk he could provide more leads/details on the 3 crimes that CB is also acused of making in portugal and those most likely will get him charged for sure yet they only briefly mentioned those on the media (exposure to minors, rape of another woman, etc) while HCW keeps on saying that he will go as far as he can to crack the MM case and charge CB over it.

Simply looks a little bit "personal". I can "feel" it well. It's like if you are a police investigator working with 100 cases but you have a case or two that are "special" to you for whatever reason. You can "feel" somehow that HCW have a certain "dedication" that goes over the duty of work only.

That is what I "feel". I might be wrong. But if i'm correct oit might cloud/blind the "investigator" as he might end up be motivated and driven by feelings.
 
  • #392
So rather like Amaral? Blinded by his beliefs?

Yes, exactly. Might happen. It did happen to Amaral, It did happen with other people on the MM case and It does happen with me allot as well so it might be thesame case with HCW.
 
  • #393
Yes, exactly. Might happen. It did happen to Amaral, It did happen with other people on the MM case and It does happen with me allot as well so it might be thesame case with HCW.

I would describe it (professionally) as confirmation bias.
 
  • #394
Gut feeling/instinct only.

I'm not saying that HCW is trying to blame CB over the MM crime without solid ground.

I'm saying that HCW looks like (to me) as either having some issues with CB (to hate him in a "personal way") or he does have personal interest on MM case.

We see prosecuters talking on media about many diferent matters/cases and no-one does stuff like HCW to go to the trouble of even "replying" to every single media query and even that stuff that they publish when the MM parents were questioning HCW because he diedn't questioned CB, etc ... he didn't have to reply and even less on the public media. He didn't have to make this go "so far" ... like if the MM case (or MM, or whatever) is somehow "very special" for him so that he goes to all the trouble to find the truth and place CB in jail over that particular case for good.

Take for example the case of the "prostitute" that I did mentioned some posts ago. CB was the prime suspect over that case (if we are to believe on what is stated on the press) and yet no-one went to the tabloids making all the "fuss" that HCW is doing over MM. Even now, why HCW doesn't re-enforce that CB have to be re-investigated over those matters ?

FORTUNATLY (at some rate) they are no longer talking about it and linking cases but it does look like that MM query/investigation is the "big price" to HCW.

He could simply stay quiet and only say on the press that investigation is undergoing or if he wanted to talk he could provide more leads/details on the 3 crimes that CB is also acused of making in portugal and those most likely will get him charged for sure yet they only briefly mentioned those on the media (exposure to minors, rape of another woman, etc) while HCW keeps on saying that he will go as far as he can to crack the MM case and charge CB over it.

Simply looks a little bit "personal". I can "feel" it well. It's like if you are a police investigator working with 100 cases but you have a case or two that are "special" to you for whatever reason. You can "feel" somehow that HCW have a certain "dedication" that goes over the duty of work only.

That is what I "feel". I might be wrong. But if i'm correct oit might cloud/blind the "investigator" as he might end up be motivated and driven by feelings.


In your view, what would you think is worse. Blaming someone because of the things the person did in his past, what often depends on the experiences that person had to make in it's past, or blaming the person to be the one, that it is in the eyes of the beholder?
 
  • #395
So you think, it may have been an accidental death? Of course, that wouldn't make CB a serial killer, as these perpetrators are usually known.

That is correct!

NO, NO.

Unfortunatly on MM case I think it's quite impossible for it to be accidental death.

When I did talk about accidental death on previouse posts I was talking about some other cases and I did even menioned René as example that PJ was saying to the family that the boy simply drowned and as a matter of fact no matter what so far that can't be excluded as well. I was never saying that MM died by "accicdent" as goes without saying that even that were to happen someone would still need to remove the body from the room ... Unless she did went out alone but on PDL she would have been found by sure. There are no other factors that can explain the body to disapear.
For example on another case that I will not mention I can see very well several ways for the body of a little girl to "disapear" for good never to be found IN CERTAIN conditions and with the presence of certain elements without human intervention. THIS IS NOT the case with a girl that is sleeping on the bed and wents missing from apartment room, even less if she were on the public street.

Accidental death in MM context would only apply over the route that this forum rules don't allow to discuss (GA idea), but I don't think that it was the case as well so NO, by all means, even if MM did die by falling of sofa/bed/whatever someone would still need to move the body. She might have been killed on the apartment, she might have left alive, etc ... I don't even know if she would be able to open the door by herself but even so if she were to fall on PDL the body would be found FOR SURE. Same doesn't apply for example on case one can fall on the water under some enviroments or even get lost on wood/mountains, etc ... He have seeral cases of that here in PT. He even have people who commited suicide and other people saw them trowing to water by jumping from high places and the body couldn't be recovered and did never came to shore. But MM would not reach the water on PDL by accident without anyone be able to see her / stop her at the hour she went missing. Is not that she would be on a deserted place at 4 AM in the morning.
 
  • #396
In your view, what would you think is worse. Blaming someone because of the things the person did in his past, what often depends on the experiences that person had to make in it's past, or blaming the person to be the one, that it is in the eyes of the beholder?

Blaming the person to be the one, that it is in the eyes of the beholder could make the real criminal to get away with crime? NOT in case of MM. What I'm saying is that CB were to "suspect" of other crimes the real criminals that did commit those crimes would get away with them as in the eye of the public CB would have be the one commiting those crimes just because he did commit the MM crime (assuming that BKA can show us that without doubt).
 
  • #397
NO, NO.

Unfortunatly on MM case I think it's quite impossible for it to be accidental death.

When I did talk about accidental death on previouse posts I was talking about some other cases and I did even menioned René as example that PJ was saying to the family that the boy simply drowned and as a matter of fact no matter what so far that can't be excluded as well. I was never saying that MM died by "accicdent" as goes without saying that even that were to happen someone would still need to remove the body from the room ... Unless she did went out alone but on PDL she would have been found by sure. There are no other factors that can explain the body to disapear.
For example on another case that I will not mention I can see very well several ways for the body of a little girl to "disapear" for good never to be found IN CERTAIN conditions and with the presence of certain elements without human intervention. THIS IS NOT the case with a girl that is sleeping on the bed and wents missing from apartment room, even less if she were on the public street.

Accidental death in MM context would only apply over the route that this forum rules don't allow to discuss (GA idea), but I don't think that it was the case as well so NO, by all means, even if MM did die by falling of sofa/bed/whatever someone would still need to move the body. She might have been killed on the apartment, she might have left alive, etc ... I don't even know if she would be able to open the door by herself but even so if she were to fall on PDL the body would be found FOR SURE. Same doesn't apply for example on case one can fall on the water under some enviroments or even get lost on wood/mountains, etc ... He have seeral cases of that here in PT. He even have people who commited suicide and other people saw them trowing to water by jumping from high places and the body couldn't be recovered and did never came to shore. But MM would not reach the water on PDL by accident without anyone be able to see her / stop her at the hour she went missing. Is not that she would be on a deserted place at 4 AM in the morning.

You made a very plausible statement IMO, of course. But i think i've made my point not concrete enough though.

I was pointing on accidental death while a possible abuse took place!
 
  • #398
Aaah, okay! Thank you. In the PJ files i read something about the dogs around 6th or 7th of august. The timeline of the rental seemed to stop around 2nd of august. But maybe i'm getting that wrong.
I now think the timechart box dated 02 Aug represents probably only a rental contract renewal. IMO the family had the Scenic continuously throughout Aug except for the short gap (maybe about 24hours?) when PJ had it on 6th-7th.
 
  • #399
Blaming the person to be the one, that it is in the eyes of the beholder could make the real criminal to get away with crime? NOT in case of MM. What I'm saying is that CB were to "suspect" of other crimes the real criminals that did commit those crimes would get away with them as in the eye of the public CB would have be the one commiting those crimes just because he did commit the MM crime (assuming that BKA can show us that without doubt).

You mean CB as kind of a lackey to the real perpetrators? Just the smallest part of the machine or what?
 
  • #400
In your view, what would you think is worse. Blaming someone because of the things the person did in his past, what often depends on the experiences that person had to make in it's past, or blaming the person to be the one, that it is in the eyes of the beholder?

Without going in detail, if CB is shown on TV/Newspapers as the one that did kill MM many people will think right away that he is responsable for many other missing children cases just because, for example, he was on the same country.

I know for a fact that this will not happen with Peggy case for example but let's pretend right now that Peggy body did apear and there was no Ulvi K. guy, Manuel S, etc ... Now what do you think it would happen ?

In the eyes of people and because CB is a suspect on the case as mentioned by the media and even in the eyes of investigators dealing with the case there would be "tendency" to put the blame on CB as well, people would say that just because CB was in Germany by the time Peggy went missing most likely he would be the one killing her as well and couldn't be excluded. People would stop attempting to solve/crack the case. Again I'm providing this as example only. What would this mean ? That the ones that were really on the area and dealing with Peggy when she went missing (Ulvi, Manuel,) would "get away" with the crime as people would already made their minds that CB did it.

Unfortunatly on Peggy case both were aquitted and the majority of people wouldn't "buy" the "link" to CB but this wouldn't mean that it wouldn't happen in MANY if not in ALL of the other cases that CB might be linked to and personaly for me this is a HUGE PROBLEM.

This explains as well WHY i was wishing that CB was "not the one" who killed MM. I'm selfish. For me even if MM was taken/killed by a pedophile it would have been "better" for her to have been taken by someone local without any "possible link" to any other case, because the popularity of the MM case will influence the "view" of people over the possible killer and will affect the way other crimes/cases will be dealt with in the future.

Is NOT that I do like CB or I do defend him or whatever.
 
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