Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[tedtink]

Who was bp's son?

FP - If that helps at all

 

[redplanet]

I doubt this was ever done... but I might be wrong. But cross contamination could have even occurred as I said before by a police person's bag...

It is theoretically possible. Maybe we can spot a police bag in the crime scene photos of 4th May?
Oh how useful it would be to have higher resolution versions of those photos!

 

[mrjitty]

The dogs need not be wrong in this scenario though!

Agreed - it all depends on what HCW's theory of the case is.

 

[mrjitty]

Hmmm Trueallele is not always admissible in courts. And the inconclusive DNA results I think came from the car and not so much the samples in 5a.

I am sceptical of TrueAllele myself after the McStay case.

It's essentially computer modelling to resolve multiple profiles in a sample, potentially with degrading. So you sort out the signal from the noise.

But to me, it seems like the defence or prosecution can use it to come up with the answer they want, based on prior assumptions.

 

[redplanet]

I think CB sold it for 5k to BP, in 2015??? Then confiscated, not sure which police force have it, but that should be easy to find on Google

Yes I will search further.
It is important IMO to know whether the T3 camper was inspected in Germany by the German police
(because they have excellent K9 resources).

 

[Lilly b]

Yes I will search further.
It is important IMO to know whether the T3 camper was inspected in Germany by the German police
(because they have excellent K9 resources).

I was reading that when CB was in Germany, he had use of a garage and did lots of work as in took the roof of etc, and when the police got it obs after 2015, there was no forensic to link to mm

 

[Sharkbite]

Would I be correct to say CB sold his vw camper van in 2015, and that the police have it?

And remember earlier this year, in July a retired teacher claims she saw mm in a supermarket around 3 to 4 years ago, she also claimed to see the vw there to.
She has done interview, but remained anonymous, and would just give her name as Maria, now I could be totally incorrect, but his ex girlfriend was called Maria, we don't know for definite her nationality, we know she was older, but could it be? Could she be trying to help him?

Just wondering how we know that Maria is 'older' I don't think AB mentioned anything about her age unless it got lost in translation somewhere.


'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal.

He said he missed her all the time.'

Have there been any other mentions of this Maria?

 

[redplanet]

Agree.
GA hardly went into 5a whilst the MC's were still residing there wafting his limp and lifeless miniature schnauzer around.
No pun intended.

IMO to make that dog theory work there would need to be two Shitzu, one on the 4th, and one on the 10th (the latter being a cunning plan to confuse people and distract attention from the first).

 

[tedtink]

The invented theory also fails because all the possessions (which had been in the apartment at the same time as the intruder) had been already removed from the apartment about 5 days previously.

I guess the fact is, regardless of what we think about the dogs, MG's report and all the rest of the info, witness statements etc contained in the PJ files is evidence and could potentially be used by either the defence or prosecution if this does go to trial.

 

[tedtink]

IMO to make that dog theory work there would need to be two Shitzu, one on the 4th, and one on the 10th (the latter being a cunning plan to confuse people and distract attention from the first).

I'm more inclined to give Eddie enough credit in that he wouldn't alert to a dead dog.

 

[redplanet]

I was reading that when CB was in Germany, he had use of a garage and did lots of work as in took the roof of etc, and when the police got it obs after 2015, there was no forensic to link to mm

What if there was very hypothetically a BKA EVRD alert in a vehicle, with no corresponding forensic evidence.

 

[redplanet]

I'm more inclined to give Eddie enough credit in that he wouldn't alert to a dead dog.

Yes agreed.

 

[Chiatos]

Now and then Sleuthers are questioning whether HCW suspects CB of "only" killing MM or abducting and killing her.

It's quite easy to understand that BKA suspects him of both crimes;
HCW: Wir haben viele Beweisen dass das Mädchen durch Christian B. getötet wurde.
[16:20] Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
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HCW: repeated more than once that as far as BKA knows, CB acted on his own. (SF disputes that, but this is BKA's point of view for the time being.)
Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
Sexta às 9 Episódio 29 - de 25 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP

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HCW said that MM died after her disappearance, most probably in Portugal, and that he doesn't know the date of her decease.
I can't find the source anymore, but we all know that he has said that.

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BKA/HCW suspected CB of abduction and murder.

 

[Lilly b]

Just wondering how we know that Maria is 'older' I don't think AB mentioned anything about her age unless it got lost in translation somewhere.


'He never really stayed in one place. He only talked about his girlfriend Maria – I think she was English and was working in Portugal.

He said he missed her all the time.'

Have there been any other mentions of this Maria?

No, I can't find anything really, I don't recall where I heard of her being older, so she could be older, younger, English, Portuguese, German, or just a figment of his imagination.
I have seen other things in the press, of other girlfriends, think one lives in the UK now, I believe they have given info to the police, but remain anonymous, and who can blame them.
Was defo Abit random someone coming forward saying they seen mm at the supermarket 3 or 4 years ago though, and the vw at same time

 

[Lilly b]

What if there was very hypothetically a BKA EVRD alert in a vehicle, with no corresponding forensic evidence.

What about the jag though? That's the one that he changed ownership of the day after, but it was still him using it, to be fair, if he only used either vehicle to transport mm in, what forensic evidence would be in them, after years and major cleaning, possibly other people in them. And I say that meaning she was alive when transported.
And before anyone says 'how do I know she was alive' I don't, I'm just using as an example
I think she was taken to somewhere not to far away by CB, (and alive) no idea what happened after that

 

[redplanet]

I'd still love to know what that dog and pony show was all about.

The first area searched (mound) was IMO largely based on the smith sighting, plus probably some added bits like suspects' addresses, maybe the "why did you bring her here" thing, maybe another sighting in that area, etc.
Another area searched (near the Lagos road) was IMO based on tractorman theory.
The third area I do not know the reason.

 

[Lilly b]

The woman, from Berkshire, moved to the Algrave town of Lagos in late 2003 - and worked alongside Brueckner at the Taberna de Lagos bar.

That's from the daily mirror, it's the same woman, of where CB hid under her bed, after hitting her in the bar

 

[redplanet]

Now and then Sleuthers are questioning whether HCW suspects CB of "only" killing MM or abducting and killing her.

It's quite easy to understand that BKA suspects him of both crimes;
HCW: Wir haben viele Beweisen dass das Mädchen durch Christian B. getötet wurde.
[16:20] Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
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HCW: repeated more than once that as far as BKA knows, CB acted on his own. (SF disputes that, but this is BKA's point of view for the time being.)
Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
Sexta às 9 Episódio 29 - de 25 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP

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HCW said that MM died after her disappearance, most probably in Portugal, and that he doesn't know the date of her decease.
I can't find the source anymore, but we all know that he has said that.

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BKA/HCW suspected CB of abduction and murder.

The source you are looking for is "but I am not able to say on which day exactly" @11:30 in
'Madeleine is Dead' - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

 

[tedtink]

The source you are looking for is "but I am not able to say on which day exactly" @11:30 in
'Madeleine is Dead' - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

Abduction (in legal use) is the illegal removal of a child from its parents or guardians.



Child Abduction Act 1984

Maybe SuperDad can clarify German Law.

 

[redplanet]

Now and then Sleuthers are questioning whether HCW suspects CB of "only" killing MM or abducting and killing her.

It's quite easy to understand that BKA suspects him of both crimes;
HCW: Wir haben viele Beweisen dass das Mädchen durch Christian B. getötet wurde.
[16:20] Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
+
HCW: repeated more than once that as far as BKA knows, CB acted on his own. (SF disputes that, but this is BKA's point of view for the time being.)
Sexta às 9 Episódio 28 - de 18 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP
Sexta às 9 Episódio 29 - de 25 Set 2020 - RTP Play - RTP

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HCW said that MM died after her disappearance, most probably in Portugal, and that he doesn't know the date of her decease.
I can't find the source anymore, but we all know that he has said that.

=
BKA/HCW suspected CB of abduction and murder.

IMO they suspect him of definitely murder, and possibly abduction.
IMO they do not know whether or not the suspect's actions included abduction (in the strict accurate sense).