Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[mrjitty]

Forensics analysis did not show blood but did find DNA behind the sofa under the tiles etc which in one instance surprisingly belonged to the forensic analyst on the scene... in this kind of botched investigation I cannot trust anyone.

Do you have a link for this please?

IIRC, they swabbed various sites, and two were of particular interest for the analysis. Seems likely something spilt there and then there was cleaning afterwards which degraded the sample - hardly surprising many weeks later are further occupancy.

But I don't think we can say exactly how that DNA was deposited. Merely something dried on which was swabbed.

 

[C.greek]

Do you have a link for this please?

IIRC, they swabbed various sites, and two were of particular interest for the analysis. Seems likely something spilt there and then there was cleaning afterwards which degraded the sample - hardly surprising many weeks later are further occupancy.

But I don't think we can say exactly how that DNA was deposited. Merely something dried on which was swabbed.

Yes of course, it's from the PJ files. I never just make unsubstantiated claims

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT


286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

And

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.

Note that both Lino and Fernando are forensic experts...

 

[SuperdadV8]

I agree with that. After some announced bombshells that never came, the solicitor stays quiet.

If my theory of a chance find from bigger darkweb investigations turns out as correct, the solicitor could be assuming a big avalanche of accusations could become present. By now, it is a manageable verdict, according to MM. The possible evidence against CB is managable by existing files and some witness statements from the media.

Like @mrjitty comprehensible and frequently states, what is known is not much that could justify calling someone a murderer in public.

But if the major clue in the MM case is buried in the bigger darkweb BKA investigations, FF should be groping in the dark about the things, he will probably have do deal with. So it's better to remain silent and not to focus to much on the vanishing out of 5A IMO. Because if footage of MM may exist on the darkweb, she had been removed from there. So the circumstances around that shouldn't take the major part in that murder case. Especially if CB may haven't took her by himself for example.

Telling what they have wouldn't just jeopardise the MM case but maybe many others either. That child dark web thing is way bigger than we might assume.

And if my theory turns out as true, the public investigation has just one target. Finding more evidence like footage and at least one dead body.

JMO

REVEALED: 'THIS is who snatched Madeleine McCann and THIS is how to find them'

 

[tedtink]

REVEALED: 'THIS is who snatched Madeleine McCann and THIS is how to find them'

That's a coincidence- I read that piece yesterday

 

[redplanet]

I think this has been touched on before, but I believe in German law, certain crimes can be classified as "Murder", whereas in UK law, they would be often classed as "Mansalughter".

The criteria for Murder in German law is-

"whoever kills a human being out of murderous intent, to satisfy sexual desires, out of greed or otherwise base motives, insidiously or cruelly, or with means dangerous to the public, or in order to commit or cover up another crime..."

So IF what happened to MM was an unintended death in 5A as a result of a botched sexual abuse attempt, then that would still classify as Murder under German law but possibly only Manslaughter in the UK. Could explain the differing views of each LE.

Therefore when one tries to work out what evidence HCW has, one can say that the evidence is sufficient to demonstrate not only death, but also, for definite, murder.

 

[Chiatos]

Yes of course, it's from the PJ files. I never just make unsubstantiated claims

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT


286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

And

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.

Note that both Lino and Fernando are forensic experts...

The following passage in this page of the PJ files has always intrigued me:

.... however, one [match] remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.
All matches obtained from other samples were eliminated.

Now, to what crime is he referring?

 

[C.greek]

The following passage in this page of the PJ files has always intrigued me:

.... however, one [match] remains (namely, bar code 80004801). It has matched with a sample of a spot recovered from a crime and cannot, at this time, be associated with a specific individual. Nevertheless, as that sample was processed with the old SGM system I consider the match to be of negligible significance.
All matches obtained from other samples were eliminated.

Now, to what crime is he referring?

Very intriguing...

 

[SuperdadV8]

Interesting example and timeline, why BKA could have CB in focus.

In my opinion it is very obvious, why BKA was engaged in this case at first and still is. And why former investigations could be "secondary"...

Four-year-old girl filmed being abused on the dark web has been RESCUED

 

[C.greek]

Interesting example and timeline, why BKA could have CB in focus.

In my opinion it is very obvious, why BKA was engaged in this case at first and still is. And why former investigations could be "secondary"...

Four-year-old girl filmed being abused on the dark web has been RESCUED

I cannot even fathom this. It makes me want to throw up.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I cannot even fathom this. It makes me want to throw up.

Not just you, me too!

To mee it seems, this kind of sick footage allows very easily an identification of a victim, with special characteristics like birth marks, scars of even colobomas. In a few articles i have read, that paedos are often very keen into POV/face to face footage.

And why should HCW tell the world, that BKA discovered footage of MM from the dark web. Almost everybody that has consumed that footage would destroy his computer right? And would like jeopardise any possibility to trace back the source.

According to the fact, that the prosecuters are investigating the death of the victim, you may assume what kind of footage it could be. And that evidence would't and shouldn't be made public, except in a court room IMO.

If that kind of footage really exists, it would explain HCW's conviction and his statement to everyones conviction, if everyone would knew what they have.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes of course, it's from the PJ files. I never just make unsubstantiated claims

P.J. POLICE FILES: JOHN ROBERT LOWE F.S.S REPORT


286/2007-CRL (17) Cement-glue [grouting] between the floor tiles identified as number 2
A DNA profile that appeared to be from at least two sources was obtained through LCN from cellular material recovered in that area. In my opinion, the major part of the profile matched that of Lino Henriques. Breaking [departing] from the principle, for it to have had a DNA contribution from Lino Henriques then the remaining information in the smaller part of the result is too meagre to permit a meaningful interpretation.

And

286A/2007-CRL 5A & B Swabs collected from the wall of the apartment
A mixed DNA result, apparently originating from at least two persons, was obtained through LCN from the cellular material present in the combined swabs. In my opinion, there are no indications that justify [confirm/prove] the theory that any member of the McCann family had contributed DNA to this result. In my opinion, Fernando Viegas could have contributed DNA to this result.

Note that both Lino and Fernando are forensic experts...

Thanks

I meant that numerous sites were analysed and either the results were too complex or too degraded, or lacked DNA

We just don't know what contributed to them.

I agree it is not good that the DNA of forensics was discovered there - but given it is months later, who knows how that happened.

 

[SuperdadV8]

In a german forum, someone made up an interesting theory according to the "job to do" - witness testimony, that has been reported.

Does somebody knows, if there are some rituals in criminal organisations, according to funerals with heads sticking out of the ground? There has been the assumption, that the Neuwegersleben findings could have been some kind of a warning against CB. Hasn't it been reported, that he was close to a burn out by around 2015/2016? And why has he fled to italy?

Was he really running away from an arrest, whilst telling not to coorporate until holy water will be served in hell?

In 2020 i had to lern, that these darkweb groups seem to be very organised IMO. And some stuff could go far beyond abuse IMO.

Who knows...?!

 

[tedtink]

In a german forum, someone made up an interesting theory according to the "job to do" - witness testimony, that has been reported.

Does somebody knows, if there are some rituals in criminal organisations, according to funerals with heads sticking out of the ground? There has been the assumption, that the Neuwegersleben findings could have been some kind of a warning against CB. Hasn't it been reported, that he was close to a burn out by around 2015/2016? And why has he fled to italy?

Was he really running away from an arrest, whilst telling not to coorporate until holy water will be served in hell?

In 2020 i had to lern, that these darkweb groups seem to be very organised IMO. And some stuff could go far beyond abuse IMO.

Who knows...?!

I've only read a couple of articles about Russian gangsters burying people alive......
This person was buried up to her neck

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13212500/woman-buried-alive-week-russia/

 

[SuperdadV8]

I've only read a couple of articles about Russian gangsters burying people alive......
This person was buried up to her neck

Woman dies after being 'buried alive for a week with her head above the ground'

Interesting, even to that amount of money, he is said to have had around end of 2007/beginning of 2008! But it must not have any link to MM. He was already into the drug business and maybe other things.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Didn't MS told SF about being questioned by BKA about two russians from spain?

Is that funeral-thing a common procedure by russian mafia maybe? I have no knowledge about things like that.

 

[tedtink]

Didn't MS told SF about being questioned by BKA about two russians from spain?

Is that funeral-thing a common procedure by russian mafia maybe? I have no knowledge about things like that.

Yes............

He said: "Police visited me in 2019 and asked about a murder and asked about two Russians in Spain and if I knew them.
"They picked me up in Frankfurt and said it was a homicide case and then asked if I knew two Russians in Spain, two Russian brothers.
"I told them I don't know any Russians in Spain."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12915322/madeleine-mccann-christian-b-russian-brothers/

Then there are the 2 Ukranians in PDL that were talked about.

I don't know of its a Russian Mafia thing, but it's very odd.

 

[Ardoch]

In a german forum, someone made up an interesting theory according to the "job to do" - witness testimony, that has been reported.

Does somebody knows, if there are some rituals in criminal organisations, according to funerals with heads sticking out of the ground? There has been the assumption, that the Neuwegersleben findings could have been some kind of a warning against CB. Hasn't it been reported, that he was close to a burn out by around 2015/2016? And why has he fled to italy?

Was he really running away from an arrest, whilst telling not to coorporate until holy water will be served in hell?

In 2020 i had to lern, that these darkweb groups seem to be very organised IMO. And some stuff could go far beyond abuse IMO.

Who knows...?!

He was carrying a bible as well.
Italian police set a trap for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner | Daily Mail Online

 

[SuperdadV8]

He was carrying a bible as well.
Italian police set a trap for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner | Daily Mail Online

Without money, phone and documents, but still carrying the card of a lawyer that normally should be kept in a purse?

Maybe looking for another document to falsify for temporarily changing his identity? He has been convicted of falsifying documents before.

 

[tedtink]

He was carrying a bible as well.
Italian police set a trap for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner | Daily Mail Online

I've previously suggested that it was most likely a 'prop' to gain sympathy for whatever reason. He was in a Catholic country, so it would make sense that he was trying to 'fit in' with the locals in a manipulative kind of way.
JMO

 

[Trivento]

EXCLUSIVE: Russians in Spain could be linked to Madeleine snatch - Olive Press News Spain

May well have been mentioned before ..but this another article detailing Russian connections.