Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[redplanet]

The attack at Praia Salema in early April was quite soon after the 30th March Malaga photos.

 

[redplanet]

XP - Registered in 1991 according to this..........
Saber o mês e ano de determinada matricula automóvel

The yellow area has registration year at top and month beneath, if anyone can read it?
ETA possibly 91 on top and 07 below, but it is very blurred

 

[Helleux301]

I've previously suggested that it was most likely a 'prop' to gain sympathy for whatever reason. He was in a Catholic country, so it would make sense that he was trying to 'fit in' with the locals in a manipulative kind of way.
JMO

I had a very dodgy ex husband who would brag about flying through customs with a bible on the dashboard (Spain, Morocco and UK ) so this maybe another possible reason why CB carried a bible? ?

 

[Sharkbite]

Yes the Westfalia plates read "34-91-XE" in a photo at Malaga which was taken on 30 Mar 2007.

Do we know for sure that it was on that date/trip?

 

[Okapi]

RSBM

Link?

Fair call Mr Jitty. Mistakes were made and there isn't consensus on why, hence my delete as appropriate comment.

Certainly GA was fired for casting aspersions on the British investigation, which doesn't suggest integrity to me. And we've discussed the allegations concerning the case of JC and her mother LC.

Lies, beatings, secret trials: the dark side of police handling

Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there

Did Portuguese police let Madeleine McCann's abductor escape justice?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry/amp/

 

[SuperdadV8]

Fair call Mr Jitty. Mistakes were made and there isn't consensus on why, hence my delete as appropriate comment.

Certainly GA was fired for casting aspersions on the British investigation, which doesn't suggest integrity to me. And we've discussed the allegations concerning the case of JC and her mother LC.

Lies, beatings, secret trials: the dark side of police handling

Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there

Did Portuguese police let Madeleine McCann's abductor escape justice?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry/amp/

And not to forget this one...

Portuguese ex-detective who blasted Madeleine McCann's parents is jailed for seven and a half years | Daily Mail Online

 

[mrjitty]

Fair call Mr Jitty. Mistakes were made and there isn't consensus on why, hence my delete as appropriate comment.

Certainly GA was fired for casting aspersions on the British investigation, which doesn't suggest integrity to me. And we've discussed the allegations concerning the case of JC and her mother LC.

Lies, beatings, secret trials: the dark side of police handling

Madeleine McCann: Investigation was flawed from the start, says senior detective who was there

Did Portuguese police let Madeleine McCann's abductor escape justice?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...ncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry/amp/

Fair enough

As far as I am aware there is no evidence of corruption in this case. Especially just because the case work goes in the wrong direction - this does not mean police were corrupt. Of course politics and pressure plays a large role - which is what led to the archiving by Ribeiro as missing persons. But that game is an old one and the same one the Met are playing.

Finally GA was not fired from the police. He was taken off the case and transferred to Faro. I believe that call to be the right one by Ribeiro. Once the case fell apart, it was going nowhere. Ribeiro's job was always to shut the investigation down. Whatever the truth, progress would now be impossible in any direction.

 

[mrjitty]

So i think, the whole story of being robbed on train was a big lie and somewhere in Milano still must be a bag with his stuff and maybe a car he used to go there....

It seems like, given what he was carrying, that either he expected to get arrested, or was pretending like you say.

 

[mrjitty]

And not to forget this one...

Portuguese ex-detective who blasted Madeleine McCann's parents is jailed for seven and a half years | Daily Mail Online

Did that guy actually work on the case? I mean I can also make a list of corrupt Met officers.

One of the issues about corruption is that it gets alleged pretty regularly in proceedings so I will just use Pistorius as an example. Of course one can easily find corrupt detectives in South Africa - one of whom appeared to work on the case. It seems likely someone also stole Pistorius watch (unless he used it as a bribe).

However why do corrupt cops frame Oscar for a crime? Where is the money in that? Corrupt officers are more usually doing things like scuppering drug trials or ruining the evidence in a case against colleagues.

Corruption is not really a great fit for this case when it might just be bad police work.

Not everything is a conspiracy!

Where I find Amaral most laughable is his idea of a British conspiracy. Celebs and politicians got involved (unwisely IMO) because of the media hype. There was no MI5 plot to protect anyone. In fact most of the heat came from the UK police like Harrison!

 

[mrjitty]

Right! That wouldn't fit.

Friends have worked this role in other embassies. It happens every other week with tourists who lose their passport.

Typically the person shows up with no ID at all. They are then identified via their photo and other means, and issued temporary travel documents.

So he would not need his ID to be positively identified when seeking new documents.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Did that guy actually work on the case?

Hard to say and i can't tell that for sure. There is no concrete media report about it. As far as i know, he used to be the head of the missing-child task force and has been moved from that job, after the torture investigations in the JC case.

It's almost impossible to gather the info, if he still has been in charge by may 2007.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Friends have worked this role in other embassies. It happens every other week with tourists who lose their passport.

Typically the person shows up with no ID at all. They are then identified via their photo and other means, and issued temporary travel documents.

So he would not need his ID to be positively identified when seeking new documents.

I would assume, that a temporary travel document is easier to be falsified than a regular european passport...

 

[mrjitty]

I would assume, that a temporary travel document is easier to be falsified than a regular european passport...

Who knows what he was up to, but I guess this is why he arrived with nothing - so he could pretend to have everything stolen.

If he was living rough - which it seems he was, it is also quite possible he did have everything stolen,

 

[mrjitty]

He'd only need a passport to go outside Schengen area, like you say. He had whole of Europe to hide in.
So I wonder where he was planning to go?

What I would say to this, is CB is no master criminal

Living on the run with an outstanding arrest warrant and no documents is not easy if you don't have a lot of money,

My guess based on the arrest report is he was simply living rough with no great plans other than to stay out of jail.

It would make sense for him to seek out a mate outside of germany, as a place to stay, and perhaps find undeclared work

 

[SuperdadV8]

What I would say to this, is CB is no master criminal

Living on the run with an outstanding arrest warrant and no documents is not easy if you don't have a lot of money,

My guess based on the arrest report is he was simply living rough with no great plans other than to stay out of jail.

It would make sense for him to seek out a mate outside of germany, as a place to stay, and perhaps find undeclared work

Of course no master criminal, but used in drug trafficking and dealing with a guy called HB in the past.

He is said to have fled from german authorities to the netherlands. Maybe that was the purpose of his "vacation" either. While looking at the european map, the best way from netherlands to italy is a straight way to south via Belgium, known routes in france and then via Switzerland to italy.

From Milano it's just a small trip to Genua and from there to Corsica?

Why Corsica? Maybe another deal, maybe asking HB why he told SY about him in 2017 about a thing, that has been almost ten years ago. Why does HB wants CB to stay in prison?

There should be some kind of link, even if not in straight relation to MM.

 

[tedtink]

What I would say to this, is CB is no master criminal

Living on the run with an outstanding arrest warrant and no documents is not easy if you don't have a lot of money,

My guess based on the arrest report is he was simply living rough with no great plans other than to stay out of jail.

It would make sense for him to seek out a mate outside of germany, as a place to stay, and perhaps find undeclared work

Or to leave Europe?
Or to find a PT job in EU, where he would have to had shown ID. (for permission to work)
I know in UK that your passport/ID is usually photocopied by most employers upon getting a job.

 

[Okapi]

Ok, re the doctors/cadaver conundrum:

"Additionally, when cadaver dogs were sent into the McCanns' Praia da Luz apartment, detectives claimed that they had smelled the "scent of death." But, according to leaks from the attorney general's report, the police did not take into account that Kate McCann, a doctor by profession, had seen six patients who had died, before going on vacation."

Maddie McCann Case Shelved; Parents No Longer Suspects

 

[Lilly b]

Ok, re the doctors/cadaver conundrum:

"Additionally, when cadaver dogs were sent into the McCanns' Praia da Luz apartment, detectives claimed that they had smelled the "scent of death." But, according to leaks from the attorney general's report, the police did not take into account that Kate McCann, a doctor by profession, had seen six patients who had died, before going on vacation."

Maddie McCann Case Shelved; Parents No Longer Suspects

Hopefully put the dogs to bed, so to speak

 

[Newthoughts]

It wasn't UK school holidays, looks like they went after Easter and before summer half term.

Their children weren't at school. All the children involved were pre school. MM had been due to start in Sept. So school holidays not relevant

So they would have been taking advantage of cheaper package type holiday

 

[Newthoughts]

Like a serial-killer. Of course i'm not talking about killing in self-defense of things like that or even killing the wife that got divorced from you.

If you are a serial killer most likely you will kill more, or at least the chances are there. If he already killed one (MM) and even more if he was not busted and if the body didn't appear (SUPOSING IT WAS HIM - OF COURSE) why would he think twice when he vae the chance to strike again ?

I feel a little sick writing this but here goes. MM was a little girl. You would not need to intend to kill her or even get pleasure from killing her if your intent was just abuse. The abuse could kill her. Serial killers want to kill for killings sake, abusers it could just be an unfortunate consequence of what they do want to do. Or a way of getting rid of evidence. The thrill is not in killing.