Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[JugsAndTugs]

Had such a long hiatus from here but oh my, so glad to see you’s all still chewing the fat.

So impressive you guys.

 

[Jealoushe]

"knowledge ... maybe also of the place where the body was left."
This indicates IMO that the "other persons" (if they do exist) played no part in the first stage of this crime, but did play a part only in the very last stage.

Or could it also be, he had her locked up, allowed others to sexually abuse her, then killed her on his own afterwards? That would allow for some to surely know what happened, without ever witnessing the end result.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Or could it also be, he had her locked up, allowed others to sexually abuse her, then killed her on his own afterwards? That would allow for some to surely know what happened, without ever witnessing the end result.

IMO possible, but maybe more in the way that the suspect needed a whereabout for the assumed abuse, maybe filming it, and the murder (as an result of the abuse?) afterwards.

AFAIK he was more a homeless drifter living in a van. I would assume, that he needed a "safe" place to to his deeds. So maybe someone gave him shelter and that person might be of interest.

 

[Jealoushe]

IMO possible, but maybe more in the way that the suspect needed a whereabout for the assumed abuse, maybe filming it, and the murder (as an result of the abuse?) afterwards.

There are a few podcasts out there (Hunting Warhead, Operation Cathedral and another I can't remember) taking down Dark Web Child Abuse Image predators, that it is fairly common for them to invite their equally sick friends over to participate, and take photos/videos to share later. I just wouldn't be shocked if there were others who participated in the abuse (if there was abuse before murder). JMO

I thought he had a little villa?

 

[redplanet]

Or could it also be, he had her locked up, allowed others to sexually abuse her, then killed her on his own afterwards? That would allow for some to surely know what happened, without ever witnessing the end result.

IMO a possible minimal solution is the perp kills someone them goes in panic to "other persons" he knows. They gain knowledge of the course of events so far but only because he tells them (they had no involvement), but then they do the final move/concealment. This type of solution would fit the belief "at this stage" that the suspect acted alone (Sexta interview), the reticence to state an overall "acted alone" (Omny interview), and the belief there might be "other persons" knowing "the place" (BKA appeal 2nd June). Might be wrong, just trying to reconcile the various bits of info released.

 

[SuperdadV8]

There are a few podcasts out there (Hunting Warhead, Operation Cathedral and another I can't remember) taking down Dark Web Child Abuse Image predators, that it is fairly common for them to invite their equally sick friends over to participate, and take photos/videos to share later. I just wouldn't be shocked if there were others who participated in the abuse (if there was abuse before murder). JMO

I thought he had a little villa?

There are some reports that assume, that the suspect used to date older women (maybe for money), may have worked as some kind of poolboy, so he may had access to some of theses whereabouts. But i can't say if that has been before his conviction in 2006, or later.

Could make sense in the way, BKA wants to return to Portugal to check out whereabouts and want to compare it with possible footage from the darknet?!

 

[redplanet]

German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online

Just remembered about another property/allotment connected to CB which is in Braunschweig.
They dug up the the area in Hannover... it was all over the news , and I think many expected to hear about this other area being searched also.As mentioned in above article the lady living there even asked police to do so.
However as far as I’m aware there are no reports of the Braunschweig plot as having been searched.
Which makes me curious considering the police say they are still needing more evidence etc.
Or perhaps they already have all they need and see no need to search this other place.
Unless it has been searched...anybody know..?

Some good photos here of police dogs at the allotment near Hannover.
German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online
The article mentions cadaver dogs and electronics dogs. On the uniform of one of the handlers is "NRW DHF" = Nordrhein-Westfalen Diensthundeführer.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Some good photos here of police dogs at the allotment near Hannover.
German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online
The article mentions cadaver dogs and electronics dogs. On the uniform of one of the handlers is "NRW DHF" = Nordrhein-Westfalen Diensthundeführer.

That "Hannover-Operation" has been too large to be convinced about the HCW statement, that they knew the suspect was keen on burying some hard drives, if you ask me....

 

[Dlk79]

Regarding the phone number that called CB on the 3rd (+351 916 510 683). It seems from HCW's most recent comments that they have yet to identify the owner of this number.

It's likely this would be a big step forward in solving the case if they can identify them and got me thinking, where else might someone find a clue as to who owned this phone? With phone numbers being used across the internet so frequently these days, each of our numbers are likely on file across many various websites. I know it was different back then, but surely there will be places where a record exists of this number being used at the time. (Unless of course it was a burner phone purchased purely to be discarded after a one-time use.)

It seems the phone companies can't help, and with data privacy laws, a lot of records get destroyed after a certain amount of time. People might have it stored in old phones though or address/reservation books, but that's a long shot. Just trying to think is there anywhere else people could search online to try to find it?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Regarding the phone number that called CB on the 3rd (+351 916 510 683). It seems from HCW's most recent comments that they have yet to identify the owner of this number.

It's likely this would be a big step forward in solving the case if they can identify them and got me thinking, where else might someone find a clue as to who owned this phone? With phone numbers being used across the internet so frequently these days, each of our numbers are likely on file across many various websites. I know it was different back then, but surely there will be places where a record exists of this number being used at the time. (Unless of course it was a burner phone purchased purely to be discarded after a one-time use.)

It seems the phone companies can't help, and with data privacy laws, a lot of records get destroyed after a certain amount of time. People might have it stored in old phones though or address/reservation books, but that's a long shot. Just trying to think is there anywhere else people could search online to try to find it?

Unfortuneatly we have no reports, if the MWT hint has been successful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ann-suspect-christian-b-phone-paedophile/amp/

Or maybe fortuneatly we have none, because it was a big step?

 

[Lilly b]

Some good photos here of police dogs at the allotment near Hannover.
German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online
The article mentions cadaver dogs and electronics dogs. On the uniform of one of the handlers is "NRW DHF" = Nordrhein-Westfalen Diensthundeführer.

Is anyone german on here??

Bit off subject, but not,
Who was Martin h, lived in Berlin, and his house had bricked up Windows, and they found silicone dolls of girls aged around 5 and 6, they couldn't connect him to IG, but found the house in around 2016, think he similar age to CB, they could of known each other?? He may be in psychiatric hospital, but may not, can't find his surname.
We may wonder why BKA are so interested in CB, even though mm was English, and it happened in Portugal, but it may be to do with the fact of many missing children in Germany

 

[Anxala]

I'm just wondering if other persons witnessed images or footage of the abuse or desecration of MM, but were not directly involved in taking or abusing her, would they fall into either or both these stages? CB may have acted alone on stage 1, but I would think anyone who saw vision is also criminal. Not sure if I'm explaining myself properly. Might post more once my head is working!

Agree. Wouldn't it come under withholding evidence? Vital evidence in this case.

Unfortuneatly we have no reports, if the MWT hint has been successful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...ann-suspect-christian-b-phone-paedophile/amp/

Or maybe fortuneatly we have none, because it was a big step?

Hmm. The same MWT who believes MM let herself out of the apartment to go look for her parents? Doesn't really fit with the planned abduction his alleged 'pedophile phone owner' discovery scenario implies.

I don't find him at all reliable.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Is anyone german on here??

Bit off subject, but not,
Who was Martin h, lived in Berlin, and his house had bricked up Windows, and they found silicone dolls of girls aged around 5 and 6, they couldn't connect him to IG, but found the house in around 2016, think he similar age to CB, they could of known each other?? He may be in psychiatric hospital, but may not, can't find his surname.
We may wonder why BKA are so interested in CB, even though mm was English, and it happened in Portugal, but it may be to do with the fact of many missing children in Germany

I am. There are different reports if that sick guy was from Berlin, Halle (Saale) or Stendal AFAIK. That house you refer to, was near a town called Bitterfeld. He came in focus in the IG case.

Zugemauerte Fenster und Spielzeug: Ermittler stürmen Horror-Haus von Pädophilem

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

In the interview for the Kripo Live magazine of the MDR, the lawyer Khubaib Ali Mohammed says that Mr. B. had direct contact with the employee of the Wilhelmshof, Mr. A., who was at the Wilhelmshof at the time of the crime.

Found this, more to do with IG, but obviously to do with CB, its from a German site, and you can't use the links anymore, but I've never seen this in British press, so there's defo more going on than meets the eye

This was debated in great detail on the German AllMystery forum.

What does look like is that when little Inga went missing there were an employee of Wilhemshof that aparently did look like "suspiciouse". That employee, Mr. A. (let's call him that) ended up sometime later leaving the Wilhemshof and move to another instituition. CB did later on FROM PRISION contact that same place where Mr. A. was now working at. It's not even clear or confirmed that Mr. A. were o know CB back on 2015, and most likely the connection was done later.

Even if CB were to know Mr. A back on 2015 let's not forget one detail, CB was not seen on Wilhemshof by anyone and didn't activate any cell on the phone towers of Wilhemshof. He was doing is "normal" life and was on A2 on the day prior to Inga went missing,

The "problem" with CB having any part on Inga "disapearence" is that media/tabloids like allot to make connections and for Mohammed (Inga's father lawyer) it's in some ways an "advantage" to have the case in the press as it's a "cold case" and if it's re-opened it brings new hopes for new findings.

For people who don't know Wilhemshof :



Our little Inga went missing/disapeared from the "Grillplatz" area and with HER there were 8 more children (on the same circle). On the houses marked as Wohnheime there were at least Inga parents + 2 other couples that were "friends" of Inga parents. Inga father did saw Inga from the window and was checking the Grillplatz.

What does this mean ?

An EXTERNAL pedophile like CB would have :

- To target a RANDOM, NOT KNOW child. He would have to go to a remote area on the middle of nowhere without having the cell phone hunting for a "stranger" as unlike MM he would never had the chance to know INGA as SHE was not from Wilhemshof. This would mean that unlike on MM case and the majority of cases where CB could be linked to, on the INGA we would be "hunting blindly".

- Now what is reported is that little INGA did went missing exaqctly on that same spot where she was with the other 8 children. 3 of them were siblings. This would mean that a STRANGER PEDOPHILE/CRIMINAL would have to remove little INGA from that "circle" without the parents to see him, as well as the other children on the circle ....

Is this feasable ? I don't thinks so.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Agree. Wouldn't it come under withholding evidence?



The same MWT who believes MM let herself out of the apartment to go look for her parents? Hmm. Doesn't really fit with the planned abduction his alleged phone owner discovery scenario.

I don't find him at all reliable.

Well, i wouldn't be that narrow-minded as long as there are no known clues that lead to an abduction in 5A BARD.

Just imagine a paedo trying to break in and a three year old looking for her parents walks out through an unlocked patio door right into his hands. That would even be "manageable" in a 90 second time window IMO....

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

So ... assuming that little INGA was kidnapped by and EXTRANAL pedophile .... How could one go past the main building, the 3 houses, the 8 children and not been noticed ?

A "stranger" in the middle of so many knonw people would be noticed right away. It's oposite of a stranger that abdicts on a "field" of many strangers like a shopping mall or baseball/football field.

Meaning that a single stranger would be picked up by the other children.

Inga wouldn't have left by herself to the bushes and would have to be "picked up" by a stranger entering the "circle" where other 8 people were (children).

Got the difference ?

It have to be someone local, someone that was already there and not someone external to WH.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

In the interview for the Kripo Live magazine of the MDR, the lawyer Khubaib Ali Mohammed says that Mr. B. had direct contact with the employee of the Wilhelmshof, Mr. A., who was at the Wilhelmshof at the time of the crime.

Found this, more to do with IG, but obviously to do with CB, its from a German site, and you can't use the links anymore, but I've never seen this in British press, so there's defo more going on than meets the eye

Please check here : - Fall Inga: Keine Hinweise auf Beteiligung von Christian B.

And here :

Germany - Inga Gehricke, 5, Stendal, Sachsen-Anhalt, 2 May 2015

It is not known to which non-profit Christian B wrote a letter in 2019, only that an employee of the Wilhelmshof who worked there in 2015, had found a new job at this unknown non-profit and was working there in 2019. The letter was written to the non-profit, not to that specific employee.

Hope this helps to clear up the confusion.

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[SuperdadV8]

Hi,
I was somewhat outside this case since September due to Covid19 illness. I am now recovered, and someone made a comment to me that CB is not the only suspect but also a gay man of approximately the same age of CB. Have you heard anything about that?
Thanks.

Maybe talking about the same person? According to some reports about tow-ball-practice, maybe we have some bisexual tendencies about the known suspect.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

Oh ....

And on the meantime I did re-think my idea of CB/MM case.

I think - if i'm allowed to think here - that there is a possibility that CB did kidnapp MM by order of another person.

- First CB did mentioned he had an horrible job to do but someone would have to do it. This for me is kidnapping MM to another person.

- Then he stated to a friend that the girl was dead NOW and was better that way. Better for him because NOW MM couldn't ID him and/or because NOW she wasn't suffering anymore.

Maybe CB did kidnapp her after all and gave her to someone else that did abuse her/keep her for a while. Then later CB was aware that MM was no longer alive.

This would make sense. Maybe HCW strategy is to figure out the other guy/woman/whatever that MM was sold to by CB ?

If you think for a while it will make sense. It will match with the fact that in 2013 CB did stated he wanted to get something small to abuse, because he didn't do that to MM, he did SOLD her to someone else that did end up killing her.

You have the phone call on PDL from someone else.

If he were to be acting "alone" he would have stated that he would need to do a horrible job but it was something that he wanted to do, he wouldn't classify as a thing that someone did have to do. For me if it wasn't CB to kidnapp it would have been someone else.

SO ...

In my IDEA ONLY, and this is what i think IF CB is involved AT all on MM case most likely it was a planned kidnapping to pass MM to a 3rd person and HCW "strategy" is to figure out those people as well.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Maybe talking about the same person? According to some reports about tow-ball-practice, maybe we have some bisexual tendencies about the known suspect.

No, another person. But it is all I know. Maybe it is only a rumor.