Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[Deleted member 268165]

That claim should be new to us in here Janosch!

Nice that you have recovered!

Thanks SuperdadV8!

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

To finalize,
Child BUSTS and stuff like you guys talk about DarkWeb,
The ones doing those "busts" are interpol/europol colaboration team.
It's people that are there setting traps on darkweb, placing honeypots, working hard to get to the criminals and rescue victims,
It's NOT HCW that is doing that, so HOW would HCW manage to have videos/photos of MM from the DarkWeb and if he does have that sort of stuff why didn't he reported to the other members of the europol/interpol team ? Because if he had by now MM parents would be aware of that content.

If there are content of MM in "abuse" or "dead" "form" it was NOT obtained via DarkWeb for sure.

And the link that someone posted sometime ago about the mad that was busted with child and claimed that he was looking for MM on the DarkWeb is "stupid" as well to say the least.

First because if that random guy was scanning the DarkWeb he wouldn't find there MORE than Interpol/Europol do/did and 2nd he was busted like majority of people are not because he looked to child but because he SHARED child .

Interpol/Europol colaboration team doesn't need "civilians" to do this sort of "dirty work" and no-one in their right mind would go to the DarkWeb looking for specific MM as they would certainly find nothing. Don't you guys think that in all of those 13 years or more the Interpol/Europol colaboration team would have figure "something" out by now ?

IF there are some content it's NOT on the darkWeb but on the computer/cameras of the ones who did get MM.

And I don't think that HCW would "Hoard" that for his department as he would have the duty to pass the info to the team dealing with this sort of issue that in turn would have pass to Met and MM parents.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Thanks SuperdadV8!

You're welcome!

As i assume who you are, i would like to ask you a question.

I think you spotted a white van on the suspects whereabout in 2007, that might fit the T3 westfalia.

I spotted a similar vehicle via Google Earth at Barragem de Bravura. Interesting to me due to the reports of a letter at 5A, referring to MM's "resting point".

Would you assume, it could be the same kind of vehicle you have spotted, even without taking care about the time, the pic has been made maybe?

 

[SuperdadV8]

To finalize,
Child BUSTS and stuff like you guys talk about DarkWeb,
The ones doing those "busts" are interpol/europol colaboration team.
It's people that are there setting traps on darkweb, placing honeypots, working hard to get to the criminals and rescue victims,
It's NOT HCW that is doing that, so HOW would HCW manage to have videos/photos of MM from the DarkWeb and if he does have that sort of stuff why didn't he reported to the other members of the europol/interpol team ? Because if he had by now MM parents would be aware of that content.

If there are content of MM in "abuse" or "dead" "form" it was NOT obtained via DarkWeb for sure.

And the link that someone posted sometime ago about the mad that was busted with child and claimed that he was looking for MM on the DarkWeb is "stupid" as well to say the least.

First because if that random guy was scanning the DarkWeb he wouldn't find there MORE than Interpol/Europol do/did and 2nd he was busted like majority of people are not because he looked to child but because he SHARED child .

Interpol/Europol colaboration team doesn't need "civilians" to do this sort of "dirty work" and no-one in their right mind would go to the DarkWeb looking for specific MM as they would certainly find nothing. Don't you guys think that in all of those 13 years or more the Interpol/Europol colaboration team would have figure "something" out by now ?

IF there are some content it's NOT on the darkWeb but on the computer/cameras of the ones who did get MM.

And I don't think that HCW would "Hoard" that for his department as he would have the duty to pass the info to the team dealing with this sort of issue that in turn would have pass to Met and MM parents.

BKA investigated the darkweb and CB at first, not HCW. BKA is in regular contact with Europol, just as SY, PJ and other authorities for example. Please stop setting off fog bombs in here! I beg you!

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

BKA investigated the darkweb at first, not HCW. BKA is in regular contact with Europol, just as SY, PJ and other authorities for example Please stop setting off fog bombs in here! I beg you!

I'm not setting fog bombs- I'm just asking WHY doesn't the PJ, SY, etc have those videos/photos of MM that you guys are "assuming" to exist - because if you guys are correct only the HCW "team" and BKA members working with him on that case have that info. Otherwise the info would by now had reached MM parents. So, do you believe that HCW team would "hold" those abuse/murder photos/videos of MM ? I'm just asking because doesn't make sense to me for such material to be found and for the parents to be keep "in the dark"....

And as far as we can read on the official MM website they are not even taking that "CB" "theory" as a 100% guarantee truth otherwise they wouldn't be holding to the "hope" of getting a live MM returned back home.

If you guys do have the right to post what you guys think I think it's fair for me to post as well what I think without you guys saying that I'm trowing fog bombs and mis-leading you just because I don't think it the same way most of you guys do think.

But I will avoid to comment unless something that doesn't appear to be quite fair is commented. Just that.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'm not setting fog bombs- I'm just asking WHY doesn't the PJ, SY, etc have those videos/photos of MM that you guys are "assuming" to exist - because if you guys are correct only the HCW "team" and BKA members working with him on that case have that info. Otherwise the info would by now had reached MM parents. So, do you believe that HCW team would "hold" those abuse/murder photos/videos of MM ? I'm just asking because doesn't make sense to me for such material to be found and for the parents to be keep "in the dark"....

And as far as we can read on the official MM website they are not even taking that "CB" "theory" as a 100% guarantee truth otherwise they wouldn't be holding to the "hope" of getting a live MM returned back home.

If you guys do have the right to post what you guys think I think it's fair for me to post as well what I think without you guys saying that I'm trowing fog bombs and mis-leading you just because I don't think it the same way most of you guys do think.

But I will avoid to comment unless something that doesn't appear to be quite fair is commented. Just that.

There is no reason to hand over evidence to relatives of the victim, as long as the investigations aren't finished.

That's not the job of the prosecuters and everybody knows that!

 

[Deleted member 268165]

You're welcome!

As i assume who you are, i would like to ask you a question.

I think you spotted a white van on the suspects whereabout in 2007, that might fit the T3 westfalia.

I spotted a similar vehicle via Google Earth at Barragem de Bravura. Interesting to me due to the reports of a letter at 5A, referring to MM's "resting point".

Would you assume, it could be the same kind of vehicle you have spotted, even without taking care about the time, the pic has been made maybe?

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The satellite image you have was taken in June 2018, cannot see any relation to CB.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The satellite image you have was taken in June 2018, cannot see any relation to CB.

Thank you!

 

[Chiatos]

Hi,
I was somewhat outside this case since September due to Covid19 illness. I am now recovered, and someone made a comment to me that CB is not the only suspect but also a gay man of approximately the same age of CB. Have you heard anything about that?
Thanks.

Congrats that you've recovered well Janosch!
Can you tell us where you got the 84DL from, as part of CB's number plate?
The gay man could well be MN!

 

[Scorpiette]

Congrats that you've recovered well Janosch!
Can you tell us where you got the 84DL from, as part of CB's number plate?
The gay man could well be MN!

I was thinking MN too.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Congrats that you've recovered well Janosch!
Can you tell us where you got the 84DL from, as part of CB's number plate?
The gay man could well be MN!

Thanks Chiatos!
84DL is a discarded clue now.
I do not know if MN could be. I believe not.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I was thinking MN too.

Both men had connections to Portugal, facilities for the youth, hiding data carriers and discussing peado-topics on the web. Might they ever had met each other?

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

It wouldn't have been the first time that a STRANGER paedo snatches a STRANGER child. It has happened before.
Martin N. has done that more than once for instance and there are other known cases such as that of Jair in NL etc.

ETA: the little Angela Celentano vanished the same way Inga did.

Sure, but the STRANGER paedo have to meet a STRANGER child first, and on LITTLE INGA case a STRANGE (exterior) paedo would have to go to a remote forest to "hunt" for a child there on a place that is only forest ! INGA wente there only on that day, She wasn't living there, She had been there one year before but that's it. It's possible that a LOCAL PEDO did see her and decide to do something as it's possible that SOMEONE on the group did something as it's possible for other stuff to had happen, but for something like a "CB" abduction to have taken place it would require for CB to go to a "deserted" "remoted" place "hunting" for someone he did never saw prior to the fact, taking care not to be seen by anyone, entering the bush with other 8 kids there and no-one sees a thing ... CB would stick out as he would be a stranger to the totality of the known people there.

Regarding Angela Celentano, are you 100% sure she was "abducted" ? Same as for René Hasse, etc... People can't even be 100% sure that there was a crime but just because CB is "suspect" of MM crime/case people don't have doubt about his actions on other cases as well, even if complelty diferent type of crime.

Just that. My oppinion only. Back to the topic now.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

ETA: the little Angela Celentano vanished the same way Inga did.

Ok, I didn't know about this case. I did a quick look and yes it does look like an abduction and the "type" of case is NOT the same as little Inga. On Angela Celentano case you did have a big group of unknown people. A pedo would "blend in". Would be more like "Morgan Nick" case. On little Inga case the children that were with Her were 3 sibling + 5 children from the 2 other couples that were with little Inga parents, meaning ALL know to Inga and to themselfs/the others. On that "little circle" near the BB area "hidden" by the 3 houses there were 9 children (including little Inga) and all did know each other. A stranger would not be able to blend in. Only someone that would be already there and were to be known to the entire group. Angela Celentano went missing from a place surrounder by strangers.

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

It wouldn't have been the first time that a STRANGER paedo snatches a STRANGER child. It has happened before.
Martin N. has done that more than once for instance and there are other known cases such as that of Jair in NL etc.

If you check for example Martin N. "victims" you an see a "match" for example to René Hasse. If René Hasse didn't die by accident (drowning) it would be more likely that someone like MN to have abducted him as aparently for what i did read he was on the region/area by that time and the victims do have some reasonable similarity.

Personaly, and again, this is just my opinion and i can be totaly wrong but i don't think that a "pedo" that would target little Inga would target MM and the other way is valid as well. Even if they are more or less the same age... Believe me on that if you want, it's just "not likely".

 

[vermisstekindersuche]

There is no reason to hand over evidence to relatives of the victim, as long as the investigations aren't finished.

That's not the job of the prosecuters and everybody knows that!

If photos/videos of MM (or whatever other missing child) were to exist interpol/europol would need to know. That's it. BKA/HCW wouldn't be able to "hide" that from interpol/europol (if that data were to be found on DarkWEB). So by now Met/SY would know and MM parents would know.

And in Portugal parents can be "Assistentes" (or assitents) on the process of their own missing children so they have access to the files. Same as if they are "arguidos". Meaning that in Portugal if something like photos of MM were to be found the parents would be notified right away.

And It wouldn't change the fact that those "data" would exist as solid proof.

But again, it's not up to me to make anyone believe or think as I do think. I stated what I do think and you guys are freeto think otherwise.

At any rate later we will see who is correct or not. HCW sooner or later will have to show what cards he does have and even by German law the one that is accused have to gain access to the evidences that BKA/whatever have against him so it's the case that if BKA wants to charge CB they will have to show what they have. This is not like little Inga or René that BKA can simply stay quiet, on MM case BKA/HCW clearly stated that CB did kill MM so now there is no run-away, they will have to show us sooner or later what did they had and why did they claimed that otherwise they will be in very bad position...

I do believe that they do have "something" I just don't believe that the "something" is what you guys are imagining (pictures/videos of abused/killed MM). Again, just my oppinion and experience from other cases.

 

[tedtink]

The gay man could well be MN!

Why could he?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I was thinking MN too.

Both men had connections to Portugal, facilities for the youth, hiding data carriers and discussing peado-topics on the web. May they ever had met each other?

If photos/videos of MM (or whatever other missing child) were to exist interpol/europol would need to know. That's it. BKA/HCW wouldn't be able to "hide" that from interpol/europol (if that data were to be found on DarkWEB). So by now Met/SY would know and MM parents would know.

And in Portugal parents can be "Assistentes" (or assitents) on the process of their own missing children so they have access to the files. Same as if they are "arguidos". Meaning that in Portugal if something like photos of MM were to be found the parents would be notified right away.

And It wouldn't change the fact that those "data" would exist as solid proof.

But again, it's not up to me to make anyone believe or think as I do think. I stated what I do think and you guys are freeto think otherwise.

At any rate later we will see who is correct or not. HCW sooner or later will have to show what cards he does have and even by German law the one that is accused have to gain access to the evidences that BKA/whatever have against him so it's the case that if BKA wants to charge CB they will have to show what they have. This is not like little Inga or René that BKA can simply stay quiet, on MM case BKA/HCW clearly stated that CB did kill MM so now there is no run-away, they will have to show us sooner or later what did they had and why did they claimed that otherwise they will be in very bad position...

I do believe that they do have "something" I just don't believe that the "something" is what you guys are imagining (pictures/videos of abused/killed MM). Again, just my oppinion and experience from other cases.

Again, without any resentment!

The prosecuters in Braunschweig had been instructed by the BKA to investigate against CB around end of 2017/beginning of 2018 for murdering MM, because his last known whereabout has been in lower saxony. That's conmon german law!

So HCW is in charge, but not the offspring of the investigation!

The reason of that instruction is debatable, of course!

 

[Helleux301]

If you check for example Martin N. "victims" you an see a "match" for example to René Hasse. If René Hasse didn't die by accident (drowning) it would be more likely that someone like MN to have abducted him as aparently for what i did read he was on the region/area by that time and the victims do have some reasonable similarity.

Personaly, and again, this is just my opinion and i can be totaly wrong but i don't think that a "pedo" that would target little Inga would target MM and the other way is valid as well. Even if they are more or less the same age... Believe me on that if you want, it's just "not likely".

 

[redplanet]

Is it possible that the suspect kept and later hid in a cache as mementos some items which he had with him at the alleged crime? Just one example: whatever clothing he wore during the crime. If the crime was as alleged by BKA, that clothing would be probably be detectable now by german specialist dogs IMO.