Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

[redplanet]

A little snippet of info to add to @Chiatos post from thread page 18

"Helge described the first time that he visited CB's house in Portimao.
The white house had a red roof. (Ziegeldach)"
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

PJ went looking for an Opel Corsa at 2 addresses in Portimao on the 16th May 07. This is the same make of vehicle that MS said HB took when they robbed the farmhouse in PDL.

"I bring to your attention that today at about 00.10 a phone call was received by this station from Portimao DIC, from Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, requesting this police station to go to two addresses, with the aim of locating a vehicle of make 'Opel', model 'Corsa', with number plate 18-63-AF, which could be related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in accordance with information received from PSP Calvario, attached in annex."

Not much detail why they went looking and they didn't locate the vehicle.
P.J. POLICE FILES: PJ SERVICE INFORMATION 13 SEP 2007

Probably just a coincidence with Corsas being so common, but still an interesting one I think.

Also in Portimão: the arrest for diesel theft.
Preso gang do gasóleo

 

[redplanet]

A little snippet of info to add to @Chiatos post from thread page 18

"Helge described the first time that he visited CB's house in Portimao.
The white house had a red roof. (Ziegeldach)"
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

PJ went looking for an Opel Corsa at 2 addresses in Portimao on the 16th May 07. This is the same make of vehicle that MS said HB took when they robbed the farmhouse in PDL.

"I bring to your attention that today at about 00.10 a phone call was received by this station from Portimao DIC, from Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, requesting this police station to go to two addresses, with the aim of locating a vehicle of make 'Opel', model 'Corsa', with number plate 18-63-AF, which could be related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in accordance with information received from PSP Calvario, attached in annex."

Not much detail why they went looking and they didn't locate the vehicle.
P.J. POLICE FILES: PJ SERVICE INFORMATION 13 SEP 2007

Probably just a coincidence with Corsas being so common, but still an interesting one I think.

Also, joined to Portimão is Praia da Rocha: the attack on HB.

 

[Chiatos]

A little snippet of info to add to @Chiatos post from thread page 18

"Helge described the first time that he visited CB's house in Portimao.
The white house had a red roof. (Ziegeldach)"
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #18

PJ went looking for an Opel Corsa at 2 addresses in Portimao on the 16th May 07. This is the same make of vehicle that MS said HB took when they robbed the farmhouse in PDL.

"I bring to your attention that today at about 00.10 a phone call was received by this station from Portimao DIC, from Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, requesting this police station to go to two addresses, with the aim of locating a vehicle of make 'Opel', model 'Corsa', with number plate 18-63-AF, which could be related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in accordance with information received from PSP Calvario, attached in annex."

Not much detail why they went looking and they didn't locate the vehicle.
P.J. POLICE FILES: PJ SERVICE INFORMATION 13 SEP 2007

Probably just a coincidence with Corsas being so common, but still an interesting one I think.

The strange thing is: I haven't been able to find the mentioned locations in Portimao.
- Rua Joao de Deus
- Sao Domingos de Rana
- Rua da Paz
- Caparide
- Conde Monte Real
- Mato Cheirinhos

They can all be found in Lisbon (however Lisbon is not mentioned in the specific page).
And: it's quite usual to use the same names for a variety of locations in different towns.
Question is: where in Portimao are those locations?

 

[tedtink]

"Conscious lies and insinuations"
The journalist tried to elicit statements about the Maddie McCann case through conscious lies and allegations in Facebook chat with the witness. "The witness was not only deceived about the identity of his chat partner, the relationship between the supposed acquaintance and the witness was also exploited." To bring revocation of previous information ".
According to Wolters, the reporter did not commit a criminal offense. Police and prosecutors investigators, on the other hand, would be prohibited from doing this. The result: information obtained through targeted deception may not be used as evidence in court.

Fall Maddie: Reporter horcht Zeugen unter falschem Namen aus - Braunschweiger Zeitung

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The strange thing is: I haven't been able to find the mentioned locations in Portimao.
- Rua Joao de Deus
- Sao Domingos de Rana
- Rua da Paz
- Caparide
- Conde Monte Real
- Mato Cheirinhos

They can all be found in Lisbon (however Lisbon is not mentioned in the specific page).
And: it's quite usual to use the same names for a variety of locations in different towns.
Question is: where in Portimao are those locations?

São Domingos de Rana, Caparide and the locations here are all in the municipality of Cascais, part of Greater Lisbon. None in Portimão.
This seems to be required by DIC of Portimão in the attempt to find the vehicles reported. Don't know the real relevance for the case, if any, as well as any progress on this for the investigation.

 

[tedtink]

The strange thing is: I haven't been able to find the mentioned locations in Portimao.
- Rua Joao de Deus
- Sao Domingos de Rana
- Rua da Paz
- Caparide
- Conde Monte Real
- Mato Cheirinhos

They can all be found in Lisbon (however Lisbon is not mentioned in the specific page).
And: it's quite usual to use the same names for a variety of locations in different towns.
Question is: where in Portimao are those locations?

"PSP Calvario" (Lisbon)...............it's in the report.
Seems like they were asked to check out those addresses and the report sent back to Portimao.

PSP – Calvário Police Station

 

[Sharkbite]

"PSP Calvario" (Lisbon)...............it's in the report.
Seems like they were asked to check out those addresses and the report sent back to Portimao.

PSP – Calvário Police Station

I did search and find both streets in Portimao before posting and thought PSP Calvario was some kind of Portimao police unit. Thanks for the clarification.

Less likely to have any relevance being in Lisbon, although it is reported that CB/NF were there for a "romantic weekend break" sometime in the months after MM disappeared. They also visited the 100k robbery victims Lisbon home, I'm not sure whether it was on the same occasion.

Was it mentioned what vehicle NF was using around the time of the robbery?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I did search and find both streets in Portimao before posting and thought PSP Calvario was some kind of Portimao police unit. Thanks for the clarification.

Less likely to have any relevance being in Lisbon, although it is reported that CB/NF were there for a "romantic weekend break" sometime in the months after MM disappeared. They also visited the 100k robbery victims Lisbon home, I'm not sure whether it was on the same occasion.

Was it mentioned what vehicle NF was using around the time of the robbery?

From Sexta às 9, the two interviewed women give some details about the robbery (Nov.2007), but I think there is no reference to NF's vehicle.

 

[Trivento]

What about if what they did find (MM related) is some sort of text ?

Just guessing here but something like a CB journal/diary where he did wrote about killing MM ?

What if the text is some sort of interception of chat/skype over the internet where CB did talk to someone else about killing MM, like a "continuation" or follow up of that conversation where he stated he wanted to abuse something small ? Maybe BKA have more of those chat interceptions either on skype or even pedo forum/chats on Darkweb or whatever and there aree text from CB saying he did kill MM ?

And also there are many pedophile forums over the DarkWeb and even on the clearnet that are about text only as those are "legal" on most of the countries. Those "forums" or sistes are dedicated to share/collecting pedophile "stories" and make-up or false/untrue/imagination stories or child abuse. Same way for example on Japan there are a huge amount of "lolicon" and many mangas/animes of "Hentai" content with underage children that sometimes are even baby/toddler and are considered "legal" in most countries as those are "not real", meaning that CB could even have posted somewhere a "story" about killing MM and maybe it's something like that ? Not very likely I know, but it's a possibility.

If BKA does indeed have "something" solid I would be more inclined to think that it's either something like an old friend/s statement as i told here before or it's some kind of comunication interception.

Finaly it might be audio instead of text as well, maybe CB did phone/skype someone and told that person about killing MM ? Problem is that if that were to be the case the other person would be involved as well and HCW is stating CB did act alone. Of course HCW might be "lying" in an attempt to get the other person as well but there are another option, maybe CB did "confess" to a priest or someone like that ? What about if CB told a "priest" in confession that he did kill MM ?

Just leaving some ideas, don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to change the opinion of you guys regarding what HCW "might" have. The truth is that he did hid that info so well that all that we can do is guessing.

I trully think that we will be running in circles with this unless HCW provide us more details or at least some more "hints" about what kind of "evidence" he does have regarding CB/MM.

The only thing that i trully hope is that he end up telling us something when the investigation is over even if it's not enough for charging so that we can make our own judjment about CB/MM. Meaning that even if what HCW have is not enough to charge CB with the crime if that "something" is something "solid" like a text interception where CB does confess MM killing for me it's enough to make up my mind about his guilt, because for me even if the law itself can't put him on jail i will be more convinced that he is guilty, like the Ulvi guy and the Manuel guy on the PK case, thart even if they were "aquitted" by justice fail and bad conducted investigation for me there is no doubt that they are guilty even if the system did fail on that case.

Now if HCW doesn't have anything "solid" and if all of what they have is something like a "speculation" or oppinion of an old friend that "thinks" that CB "MIGHT" have killed MM that will not be very satisfying and people that are investigating and following this specific case like all of you guys will need to start looking for other possible suspects once again ... Let's hope in some ways that this time BKA does have the correct guy so that this case can finaly be put to rest and MM family might have their closure knowing what did happen to MM.

Madeleine McCann suspect's friend claims he 'knows' German took missing Brit

According to this article CB was indeed “obsessed” with the dark web...
I also find it interesting to note he talked about possibilty of selling kids onto Morocco...
Will have to wait and see what HCW comes up with like you say..

 

[redplanet]

About the day/night pair of vw camper photos. Here are some square wooden posts with rope through, but haven't yet found correct background (so could be completely wrong).
37°07'28.1"N 8°36'16.6"W
Alvor, Portugal
Google Maps
ETA please ignore, it is almost certainly not the correct road.

 

[redplanet]

Also in Portimão: the arrest for diesel theft.
Preso gang do gasóleo

CB is clearly seen, does anyone know is MT also in this pic?

 

[Lilly b]

CB is clearly seen, does anyone know is MT also in this pic?

Not sure, but wasn't there more of pics like this on an earlier thread?? Maybe from @Sharkbite? I could be totally wrong.

Does anyone know why NM was deported from Portugal in 2015?

 

[Lilly b]

Could we be over looking how important NM is to all this, not that there is much info.
CB when at his kiosk in Germany received a letter from the police in Nov 2013, regard disappearance of MM
so then what happens.... He goes back to PDL in 2014, not sure of the month, with Nm, she then gets deported in 2015, and she did have a red notice from interpol
So why return to PDL???

 

[Trivento]

Could we be over looking how important NM is to all this, not that there is much info.
CB when at his kiosk in Germany received a letter from the police in Nov 2013, regard disappearance of MM
so then what happens.... He goes back to PDL in 2014, not sure of the month, with Nm, she then gets deported in 2015, and she did have a red notice from interpol
So why return to PDL???

Guess it’s possible the likes of NM ,NF or MT , even if don’t know the whole story to help solve this case , may know of someone , or some direction BKA should take , to get more answers.They might have some more useful info not let go of yet..even HB or MS also.
Perhaps related to the phone call.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Whilst watching a brand new german documentary about the PK case, i became aware of a convicted peado who traded child , molested his own daughter and seemed to be possessed with PK. He admitted sexual acts with PK and seemed to boast around in prison with the perfect murder and the possibilities or impossibility of finding the body.

That person is called "Holger E." and it has been before PK's body was found in 2016.

Peggy Knobloch: Mutmaßlicher Mörder prahlt im Knast - Die Polizei wird ihre Leiche nie finden

According to this, i find it VERY interesting, that CB did paedo-chats under the known nickname "WahnsinnderHolger". I would like to know, in what year the conversation with "panikspatz66" took place and i wonder, if CB maybe admired that Holger E....?!

 

[Lilly b]

Whilst watching a brand new german documentary about the PK case, i became aware of a convicted peado who traded child , molested his own daughter and seemed to be possessed with PK. He admitted sexual acts with PK and seemed to boast around in prison with the perfect murder and the possibilities or impossibility of finding the body.

That person is called "Holger E." and it has been before PK's body was found in 2016.

Peggy Knobloch: Mutmaßlicher Mörder prahlt im Knast - Die Polizei wird ihre Leiche nie finden

According to this, i find it VERY interesting, that CB did paedo-chats under the known nickname "WahnsinnderHolger". I would like to know, in what year the conversation with "panikspatz66" took place and i wonder, if CB maybe admired that Holger E....?!

I think the chat was 2013.
Ive just looked about him, and can't copy link, but there is a picture of them together, see if I can put something on for you to see, unless you already seen it?

 

[Lilly b]

Whilst watching a brand new german documentary about the PK case, i became aware of a convicted peado who traded child , molested his own daughter and seemed to be possessed with PK. He admitted sexual acts with PK and seemed to boast around in prison with the perfect murder and the possibilities or impossibility of finding the body.

That person is called "Holger E." and it has been before PK's body was found in 2016.

Peggy Knobloch: Mutmaßlicher Mörder prahlt im Knast - Die Polizei wird ihre Leiche nie finden

According to this, i find it VERY interesting, that CB did paedo-chats under the known nickname "WahnsinnderHolger". I would like to know, in what year the conversation with "panikspatz66" took place and i wonder, if CB maybe admired that Holger E....?!

And when I Google panikspatz66 in the UK, FS Facebook profile comes up, (I've mentioned before) and I've said it's weird before too

 

[Sharkbite]

Not sure, but wasn't there more of pics like this on an earlier thread?? Maybe from @Sharkbite? I could be totally wrong.

Does anyone know why NM was deported from Portugal in 2015?

I did post a Blue Bedford that was at the March 2006 Dragon Festival, the actual image of the arrest excluded the image I posted as being the same van.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I think the chat was 2013.
Ive just looked about him, and can't copy link, but there is a picture of them together, see if I can put something on for you to see, unless you already seen it?

Yes, there is a picture of Holger E. and PK. He was known to the family of PK and even had pictures of her at home and in his cell.

And as i quoted before, the term "WahnsinnderHolger" shouldn't be translated as "Holgermadness". That makes no sense. In german the word "Wahnsinn" is either common use for expressing some enthusiasm. So the phrase and nickname make more sense as "Great guy that Holger"!

 

[Trivento]

Did CB also have web name abbreviated as HM ? Did that bring up any useful info to anyone..?