Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[misty48]

Somebody knows, at what time Jos B. left the netherlands to hide in spain?

Just thinking about timelines and CB heading off to NL in 2018.

He left Netherlands in October 2017 according to this article. Suspect in 1998 murder of Dutch boy arrested after mass DNA testing

 

[SuperdadV8]

He left Netherlands in October 2017 according to this article. Suspect in 1998 murder of Dutch boy arrested after mass DNA testing

Thanks a lot misty48. IMO that's too close to the known timelines, to be coincidence?!

 

[misty48]

Somebody knows, at what time Jos B. left the netherlands to hide in spain?

Just thinking about timelines and CB heading off to NL in 2018.

He left Netherlands in October 2017 according to this article. Suspect in 1998 murder of Dutch boy arrested after mass DNA testing

Thanks a lot misty48. IMO that's too close to the known timelines, to be coincidence?!

I don't think so. CB didn't go to Netherlands until August 2018.
Do we know if he actually arrived in Milan directly from the train out of Switzerland? It's strange he had no money or phone, 2 things you normally keep about your person whilst on a train.

 

[tedtink]

He left Netherlands in October 2017 according to this article. Suspect in 1998 murder of Dutch boy arrested after mass DNA testing

August 2018
"The Dutch tipster wants to remain anonymous, but says in Dutch media that he has spoken to Jos Brech before.
However, when the Dutchman living in Spain saw the photo of Jos Brech, he immediately thought of the man who lived in the forest".

Verdachte moord Nicky Verstappen bij Barcelona

 

[SuperdadV8]

He left Netherlands in October 2017 according to this article. Suspect in 1998 murder of Dutch boy arrested after mass DNA testing

I don't think so. CB didn't go to Netherlands until August 2018.
Do we know if he actually arrived in Milan directly from the train out of Switzerland? It's strange he had no money or phone, 2 things you normally keep about your person whilst on a train.

What info convinced you, that CB travelled via train?

 

[misty48]

What info convinced you, that CB travelled via train?

Italian police set a trap for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner | Daily Mail Online

"The German had just arrived from Switzerland and said he needed new ID documents because they had been stolen from him on the train."

 

[SuperdadV8]

Italian police set a trap for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner | Daily Mail Online

"The German had just arrived from Switzerland and said he needed new ID documents because they had been stolen from him on the train."

Would you assume, like i do, that this is reported info related to statements made by the arrested offender.....?!

There is no evidence, that a known drifter, using a lot of vehicles, suddenly used the train? Possible - yes! Unlikely - either...! JMO.

The only reason for using the rail could have been, that every single vehicle he had been access to, had been confiscated.

But even if so, there is no logical need to reach Italy via the Netherlands?!

 

[misty48]

Would you assume, like i do, that this is reported info related to statements made by the arrested offender.....?!

There is no evidence, that a known drifter, using a lot of vehicles, suddenly used the train? Possible - yes! Unlikely - either...! JMO.

The only reason for using the rail could have been, that every single vehicle he had been access to, had been confiscated.

But even if so, there is no logical need to reach Italy via the Netherlands?!

Maybe he didn't want to, or couldn't, travel down through Germany so the best route to Italy was via Switzerland? Maybe he drove part of the way, broke down & abandoned the vehicle. If he'd driven, what happened to his money, phone & possessions?

 

[Dlk79]

Maybe he didn't want to, or couldn't, travel down through Germany so the best route to Italy was via Switzerland? Maybe he drove part of the way, broke down & abandoned the vehicle. If he'd driven, what happened to his money, phone & possessions?

Wasn't it reported that CB was fully aware the authorities were following him and keeping tabs when he was released on bail?

I think heading to the Netherlands first might simply have been an effort to lose his tail. Jurisdiction has been lost once he's crossed the border, and makes things easier for him to execute any planned journey onwards without being traced as easily.

Still unsure why he had no possessions on him when caught in Milan. My initial thoughts were that he perhaps had some friend or place to go there where he left his things while he went to get his (or so he thought) replacement passport.

 

[redplanet]

On the Netflix documentary a woman reported that a visitor to her door seemed to be staring intently at her young daughter, who was standing behind her. From the description of the man, MT said he knew "straight away" that the visitor was CB. Logically, MT must have known about CB's interest in very young girls imo.
FWIW I don't think Ney played any part in Madeleine's case.

Much later (2017) here is an alleged CB staring incident in Portimao
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B stared at me and my girls for two hours, says Brit mum

 

[Loobyloo]

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Still unsure why he had no possessions on him when caught in Milan. My initial thoughts were that he perhaps had some friend or place to go there where he left his things while he went to get his (or so he thought) replacement passport.

Perhaps he'd buried them, hoping to retrieve them later.

 

[misty48]

Wasn't it reported that CB was fully aware the authorities were following him and keeping tabs when he was released on bail?

I think heading to the Netherlands first might simply have been an effort to lose his tail. Jurisdiction has been lost once he's crossed the border, and makes things easier for him to execute any planned journey onwards without being traced as easily.

Still unsure why he had no possessions on him when caught in Milan. My initial thoughts were that he perhaps had some friend or place to go there where he left his things while he went to get his (or so he thought) replacement passport.

The Italian police must have had some contact details for him to have arranged the fake appointment at the German consulate. I wonder if they were able to track his movements to the consulate on CCTV?

 

[misty48]

Much later (2017) here is an alleged CB staring incident in Portimao
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B stared at me and my girls for two hours, says Brit mum

I can see why he was staring at the woman, which must have been really unsettling for her. She may well have had a lucky escape - wrong place, wrong time for CB.

 

[Monic]

MN and JB like little boy's..

 

[Chiatos]

Somebody knows, at what time Jos B. left the netherlands to hide in spain?

Just thinking about timelines and CB heading off to NL in 2018.

Here's a brief time line:
2012; MN life imprisonment
Oct 2017; Jos B. travels to the forrests of Vosges (he told family he would be gone for 3 weeks, but he never came back)
End of Feb; Jos B. leaves Vosges and travels to Spain (how?). According to some sources he left his mobile phone behind in Vosges.
March; friends and family of Jos B. try to contact him in vain
April 2018; Jos B. reported missing by friends and family
April 2018; MN confessed to his cellmate that he killed Jonathan Coulum
German serial killer boasted about boy’s murder, says cellmate | The Times
26 Aug. 2018; Jos B. arrested in Spain
31st Aug; CB released from prison. CB travels to NL and later on to Italy.
18 Sep 2018; CB arrested in Milan

 

[tedtink]

MN and JB like little boy's..

And there's no evidence that CB doesn't.
We're not privy to all of his abuse pics that were discovered, or the inner working's of his mind, so can't categorize his 'preferences'.

We're looking at timelines and possible connections here, not specific 'preferences'.

JMO

 

[SuperdadV8]

And there's no evidence that CB doesn't.
We're not privy to all of his abuse pics that were discovered, or the inner working's of his mind, so can't categorize his 'preferences'.

We're looking at timelines and possible connections here, not specific 'preferences'.

JMO

I'm just reading some kind of german blog. I'm not sure if i am allowed to post the link, because it's no official report etc..

In principle the "blogger" is referring on a book of german profiler Alexander Horn, called „Die Logik der Tat: Erkenntnisse eines Profilers“, that picks up the MN case either.

The blogger quoted about 4 years ago, that some of the material on MN's hard drives that have been confiscated have contained footage of tied up young boys that have been buried up to the head in the sand.

Unfortuneatly i don't find any official press report about it. If that turns out as true, i would like to see some remarkable similarity to the neuwegersleben report, where dogs had been found, buried in Sand with the heads sticking out of it.

Does anybody knows, if there had been reports about that kind of footage related to MN?

PS: I bought that book and will take a closer look! Should arrive in the next days.

 

[tedtink]

I'm just reading some kind of german blog. I'm not sure if i am allowed to post the link, because it's no official report etc..

In principle the "blogger" is referring on a book of german profiler Alexander Horn, called „Die Logik der Tat: Erkenntnisse eines Profilers“, that picks up the MN case either.

The blogger quoted about 4 years ago, that some of the material on MN's hard drives that have been confiscated have contained footage of tied up young boys that have been buried up to the head in the sand.

Unfortuneatly i don't find any official press report about it. If that turns out as true, i would like to see some remarkable similarity to the neuwegersleben report, where dogs had been found, buried in Sand with the heads sticking out of it.

Does anybody knows, if there had been reports about that kind of footage related to MN?

PS: I bought that book and will take a closer look! Should arrive in the next days.

I'm not aware of anything.
If the dogs were buried up to their necks intentionally, then imo it could be shamanic ritual or other ancient 'symbolism' or it could just be the 'behavior' of whoever buried them, and we don't know that it was definitely CB.
I guess we could gain more insight if we knew if they were alive or dead before being buried, but at the moment, with so little info, one can only speculate.

"In this ritual, the young boys who were to be initiated into manhood dug a hole in the ground. The hole could either be horizontal, like a traditional burial site, or vertical, so the boy could stand in the hole, and then dirt was added up to his neck."
Why Men Paid Me To Bury Them Alive - The Good Men Project

 

[Chiatos]

I'm just reading some kind of german blog. I'm not sure if i am allowed to post the link, because it's no official report etc..

In principle the "blogger" is referring on a book of german profiler Alexander Horn, called „Die Logik der Tat: Erkenntnisse eines Profilers“, that picks up the MN case either.

The blogger quoted about 4 years ago, that some of the material on MN's hard drives that have been confiscated have contained footage of tied up young boys that have been buried up to the head in the sand.

Unfortuneatly i don't find any official press report about it. If that turns out as true, i would like to see some remarkable similarity to the neuwegersleben report, where dogs had been found, buried in Sand with the heads sticking out of it.

Does anybody knows, if there had been reports about that kind of footage related to MN?

PS: I bought that book and will take a closer look! Should arrive in the next days.

It's not clear to me whether the book is fiction or not. Perhaps fiction story based on forensic facts?
More info on the author:
Profiler der Polizei: "Der Blick auf die Menschen verändert sich" - WELT

 

[SuperdadV8]

I'm not aware of anything.
If the dogs were buried up to their necks intentionally, then imo it could be shamanic ritual or other 'symbolism' or it could represent the 'behavior' of whoever buried them, and we don't know that it was definitely CB.
I guess we could gain more insight if we knew if they were alive or dead before being buried, but at the moment, with so little info, one can only speculate.

Of course everything is possible. But before i would assume shamanic rituals, i would say we are maybe talking about some kind of torture-technique, used by notorious sadists?!

I must take a look in the book, i mentioned. Alexander Horn was engaged in the masked-man-case and brought MN to confession in the interrogations. He must have had access to the prosecuters files!

If this turns out as true, than this kind of footage is available on the web and there are people interested in these kind of sick fantasies. So there is a possibility, that two sadistic peados shared similar interests on the web.

This, together with some other unique similarities like connections to portugal, boasting around with violent fantasies and destroying forensic evidence in paedo chats, breaking into homes to commit their crimes and their nationality, increase the possibility that they could have known each other in some way.

At least in the virtual world, if not even in the real world.