Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

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Theoretically. IF CB knew a 'producer' then could a 'rare' piece of footage have been exchanged for cash?

Yes. For a huge amount of cash if this were something rare like MM footage and if they were not afraid of getting busted.

 

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Theoretically. IF CB knew a 'producer' then could a 'rare' piece of footage have been exchanged for cash?

But for example if CB did pay for some footage where did he stored it ? Because those pens were found burried with the bones of dogs and I don't think CB would want to dig up the hole with the bones everytime he did want to use the child . Also the stuff was not encrypted so LEA could check all content.
The naked pictures of him on the pens, etc were the only "exclusive" content.

If he were to film MM abuse he would need to store that stuff anywhere to sell/trade with it later.

But it's only speculation. I think that by now it would have been found.

 

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Theoretically. IF CB knew a 'producer' then could a 'rare' piece of footage have been exchanged for cash?

And if it's the other way, let's say CB did contact someone who did hold images of MM it wouldn't make sense with the statments of CB of "horrible job to do" "catching something small" "the child is dead and it's better that way", etc ...

Also he would have to store that content.

Let's say he did pay $$$ (huge amount of money) for child , do you think he would delete that stuff ? After all he did pay so he would want to keep it.

If LEA did find other CP in the burried "secret place" of CB it's normal to assume that other "exclusive" content would be there as well.

 

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But for example if CB did pay for some footage where did he stored it ? Because those pens were found burried with the bones of dogs and I don't think CB would want to dig up the hole with the bones everytime he did want to use the child . Also the stuff was not encrypted so LEA could check all content.
The naked pictures of him on the pens, etc were the only "exclusive" content.

If he were to film MM abuse he would need to store that stuff anywhere to sell/trade with it later.

But it's only speculation. I think that by now it would have been found.

Maybe all footage was handed over at the time of sale, no copies made? Perhaps CB gave up the rights?
JMO

 

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Theoretically. IF CB knew a 'producer' then could a 'rare' piece of footage have been exchanged for cash?

Maybe CB was just leaving the past behind when he did place those pens burried with the dog bones ? If there were o be "exclusive" content of child abuse i think LEA would had find it there at that time.

Pictures of naked CB most likely "masturbating" to CP is also "popular" among pedos on darkweb/clearweb pedo forums.

 

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Maybe all footage was handed over at the time of sale, no copies made? Perhaps CB gave up the rights?
JMO

Not very likely. Any "producer" would want to have a copy for later use. Don't think he would go to the trouble/risk of kidnapping a child to produce videos/fotages and then delete the stuff.

Also it would require for CB to be "attracted" to the girl to abuse of her.

It would be like normal male/female relationship. You don't go and fall in love by all woman in the world. Many are just "ugly".

A pedophile will not "fall" or get obcessed by all girls in the world.

If CB did kidnapp MM to sell then it doesn't matter because he is selling her for $$$ to someone who wants her.

If CB does end up abusing of MM that means that MM ineterest CB in a "sexual" way, otherwise he couldn't abuse her even if he wanted to sell content later.

Also the content would be based on hurting the child as she was kidnapped/forced and that content is not aproved by majority of pedos (only less than 10% would want that). Majority of child sex abuse are parents/daughters/sons and the abuse is made in a way that would apear that the child would consent/like the abuse.

YES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OK AT ALL BECAUSE IT ISN'T what i'm saying is that majority of pedos wouldn't want to see a crying raped little child, even more knowing that she would most likely be killed.

Majority of the "consumed" child material is of girls/boys that are "decieved" intro having relations with adult as if it were "normal" and not something hurtfull.

There are some categories of pedos that would go and kidnapp/rape/hurt a child but that would be a minority.

 

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MM did went missing back in 2007 - 13 years have passed.

If it was something "recent" i think that "content" could still be circulating but 13 years it's a long time and with all the busts of LEA by now it would have been discovered.

Also back in 2007 there was no "darkweb" the way we know now so child would have to be shared/sell on the clearweb and by peer-to-peer networks so it would have been found by now for sure.

Unless the guy who kill MM did film the abuses and keep it for himself as a way to "remember" the crime, not sharing with anyone and keeping that data hidden somewhere.

If that data were to be shared with someone, even with just a bunch of guys, i'm almost sure that by now it would had been found. But I CAN BE WRONG of course.

 

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Not very likely. Any "producer" would want to have a copy for later use. Don't think he would go to the trouble/risk of kidnapping a child to produce videos/fotages and then delete the stuff.

Also it would require for CB to be "attracted" to the girl to abuse of her.

It would be like normal male/female relationship. You don't go and fall in love by all woman in the world. Many are just "ugly".

A pedophile will not "fall" or get obcessed by all girls in the world.

If CB did kidnapp MM to sell then it doesn't matter because he is selling her for $$$ to someone who wants her.

If CB does end up abusing of MM that means that MM ineterest CB in a "sexual" way, otherwise he couldn't abuse her even if he wanted to sell content later.

Also the content would be based on hurting the child as she was kidnapped/forced and that content is not aproved by majority of pedos (only less than 10% would want that). Majority of child sex abuse are parents/daughters/sons and the abuse is made in a way that would apear that the child would consent/like the abuse.

YES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OK AT ALL BECAUSE IT ISN'T what i'm saying is that majority of pedos wouldn't want to see a crying raped little child, even more knowing that she would most likely be killed.

Majority of the "consumed" child material is of girls/boys that are "decieved" intro having relations with adult as if it were "normal" and not something hurtfull.

There are some categories of pedos that would go and kidnapp/rape/hurt a child but that would be a minority.

I can understand you looking for a motive and trying to get into's CB's psyche, but this guy, from all accounts does not only have paedo psyche, so imo the other strings of his personality need to be considered too and not just those from a 'paedo' angle.
If, as it was said, he does have aspd, then no rational person, can explain away, what they think he could have done imo. It goes against any rational thought.

JMO

 

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Not very likely. Any "producer" would want to have a copy for later use. Don't think he would go to the trouble/risk of kidnapping a child to produce videos/fotages and then delete the stuff.

Also it would require for CB to be "attracted" to the girl to abuse of her.

It would be like normal male/female relationship. You don't go and fall in love by all woman in the world. Many are just "ugly".

A pedophile will not "fall" or get obcessed by all girls in the world.

If CB did kidnapp MM to sell then it doesn't matter because he is selling her for $$$ to someone who wants her.

If CB does end up abusing of MM that means that MM ineterest CB in a "sexual" way, otherwise he couldn't abuse her even if he wanted to sell content later.

Also the content would be based on hurting the child as she was kidnapped/forced and that content is not aproved by majority of pedos (only less than 10% would want that). Majority of child sex abuse are parents/daughters/sons and the abuse is made in a way that would apear that the child would consent/like the abuse.

YES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OK AT ALL BECAUSE IT ISN'T what i'm saying is that majority of pedos wouldn't want to see a crying raped little child, even more knowing that she would most likely be killed.

Majority of the "consumed" child material is of girls/boys that are "decieved" intro having relations with adult as if it were "normal" and not something hurtfull.

There are some categories of pedos that would go and kidnapp/rape/hurt a child but that would be a minority.

Yes, you're correct in saying that most paedo's wouldn't like to see those kind of images, although your posts are uncomfortable reading, but like it or not there IS apparently a market for snuff - and I'm sorry I have to be so explicit, but it's true.
JMO

 

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I can understand you looking for a motive and trying to get into's CB's psyche, but this guy, from all accounts does not only have paedo psyche, so imo the other strings of his personality need to be considered too and not just those from a 'paedo' angle.
If, as it was said, he does have aspd, then no rational person, can explain away, what they think he could have done imo. It goes against any rational thought.

JMO

Yes, you are correct. What i'm saying apply in general but there are allways exceptions and CB can be one.

No matter how you profile someone you can be wrong as well.

And there are very stupid pedos that do very stupid things as well so it's hard to predict.

But same applies to all people here trying to "guess" what did happen to MM. We can't know for sure with the data that we have.

HCW needs to provide more details otherwise we can only "guess" based on what we know.

If HCW do provide more stuff i most likely will change my mind about CB in relation to MM case depending on what HCW do provide.

 

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Yes, you're correct in saying that most paedo's wouldn't like to see those kind of images, although your posts are uncomfortable reading, but like it or not there IS a market for snuff - and I'm sorry I have to be so explicit, but it's true.

That is a myth. If there is a market for snuff on the darkweb or clearweb i'm tottaly un-aware of it.

I only know "rumors" of 2 very old "cases" and even so they are not confirmed.

Yes, you might be correct but if a market like that do exist it would be VERY HARD for someone to be able to get to it even as buyers. More likely for LEA to be able to enter the "market" and bust the guys rather than a pedophile to attempt to go there to start with.

 

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Yes, you are correct. What i'm saying apply in general but there are allways exceptions and CB can be one.

No matter how you profile someone you can be wrong as well.

And there are very stupid pedos that do very stupid things as well so it's hard to predict.

But same applies to all people here trying to "guess" what did happen to MM. We can't know for sure with the data that we have.

HCW needs to provide more details otherwise we can only "guess" based on what we know.

If HCW do provide more stuff i most likely will change my mind about CB in relation to MM case depending on what HCW do provide.

And I would suggest, CB's need for control and torture and sense of entitlement came way above finding any victim or child attractive.
JMO

 

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Yes, you're correct in saying that most paedo's wouldn't like to see those kind of images, although your posts are uncomfortable reading, but like it or not there IS a market for snuff - and I'm sorry I have to be so explicit, but it's true.

Ok, fair point.

 

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And I would suggest, CB's need for control and sense of entitlement came way above finding any victim or child attractive.
JMO

That would make him a "beast" that would just loose controll and would just rape/kill anyone just to have a sense of power/domination.

If that were to be the case i think we would have way more cases of missing children/adults/animals on the places where he did visit/lived.

He would be travelling from PT to Germany kidnapping/abusing/killing many people on route so he could evade LEA.

IF he only targeted a few bunch of people i would say that he would need to be "obcessed" or to find that people as "good targets" unlike doing random killing.

But i might be wrong as well.

 

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DBM

 

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That would make him a "beast" that would just loose controll and would just rape/kill anyone just to have a sense of power/domination.

If that were to be the case i think we would have way more cases of missing children/adults/animals on the places where he did visit/lived.

He would be travelling from PT to Germany kidnapping/abusing/killing many people on route so he could evade LEA.

IF he only targeted a few bunch of people i would say that he would need to be "obcessed" or to find that people as "good targets" unlike doing random killing.

But i might be wrong as well.

Not necessarily.
Some murderers only commit 1, some rapists only rape once or twice, that doesn't mean to say they all become serial rapists or murderers.
JMO

 

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Yes, you're correct in saying that most paedo's wouldn't like to see those kind of images, although your posts are uncomfortable reading, but like it or not there IS apparently a market for snuff - and I'm sorry I have to be so explicit, but it's true.
JMO

Did you ever saw the TV/Cinema movie 8mm with Nicolas Cage ?

It's very old (prior to 2000) but depicts more or less well the reality of snuff movies.

Personaly on real life i'm not aware of any child abduction case where the child was "used" to make a snuff movie. There are very old rummor that i think i've read somewhere 20 years ago about one girl that was indeed killed/tortured and filmed but it was a teenager or young adult and it was not even confirmed if it was real or just a rummor so PERSONALY and in real life i don't know a single case like this, like the ones for example that are depicted on Nocolas Cage movie.

But again this is NOT something that i did ever researched further. Apart from rummors and stories and some articles on the internet that talk about this and also that talk about kids that are kidnapped to remove organs to transplant on rich people that require organ transplant, etc, for me are just rummors and likelywood for a child to be snatched for this is very low.

But again it can happen, it's just that i don't know a single case where this did happen so the likelyhood for something like this to happen is not big... But it's my idea only with the knowledge that i have.

If there are some "secret market" for this kind of stuff at least i'm not aware of it. It doesn't mean that it can't exist is just that i don't know about it, never came across anything about this and so i assume that the likelyhood for MM (or any other child) to have boon kidnapped to produce snuff movies are low.

 

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Not necessarily.
Some murderers only commit 1, some rapists only rape once or twice, that doesn't mean to say they all become serial rapists or murderers.
JMO

Sure.
But on the specific case of CB at least for the RAPE part he did commit several rapes and child abuses already. He is on jail for raping... so it would be more than once if he killed MM and abuse of her as well.

 

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And now that we are talking of this another TV/Cinema movie that you guys might be interested in checking is the "Hard Candy".
The same way pedos can go to the darkweb the LEA and internet hunters can go as well.
There are many, many people that do hate pedophiles so much that they would go to any extent to capture them.
There are many "haters" with lots of free time.
The same way we are here discussing cases others would be on the darkweb/pedo sites login in and attempting to set traps to pedos and get them busted from the inside of those networks for many reasons.
To make things more intro presdpective even some "pedos" that do have attraction to little girls would "hunt" for abusers.
This to make the point that as MM is SO popular all over the world even if LEA weren't be able by now to find hidden content of abuse maybe some net "vigilants" would by now got something.

When MM went missing there were several groups trying to find her, including the HTFM (Help To Find Madeleine) and there were many crazy people back on that time, including at least some guys that apeared to have some "empathy" or "sympaty" over MM and would want by all means to catch MM abductor to make justice by their own hands, I don't think that by now the darkweb and pedo forums would be able to store content of MM without anyone getting that data because even if LEA were to fail many "users" and internet avengers posing as pedos on those same forums would almost by certain get to find out that content.

Only chance would be if the one making the content would keep it to himself or share just with one or two friends most likely even off-line or a thing like that but even so i don't think that ANY MM abuse content do exist as I did state from the start (since my first posts here).

 

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Not that I know anything about this stuff, but there must be some financial reward for these films, would someone not have a site that is subscribed too, or is that just silly??
Ok then, so we know CB had lots of this stuff, lots of old computers were found, USB sticks, that's a lot of time and effort for nothing, but then like I said I have no idea in these matters

Unless he was burning CD Rom, mega easy to do, copy movie to disc, how many bootleg movies were about then? Im sure if he could sell drugs he could sell movies, esp for very much money, the guy in the web convo, did he not ask CB if he had anything new ? just a thought.