Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

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Has HCW ever said that CB 'abducted' MM or only said 'murdered' MM?
He doesn't seem interested in CB regarding that 'part' of the crime as some have said on here.
I wonder if there's another reason for that?

 

[NewAvenger]

Ney must be talking. Hopefully Bruckner's fate is in sight.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Has HCW ever said that CB 'abducted' MM or only said 'murdered' MM?

According to the known podcast i would like to remember, that he answered the question if there is evidence of abducting or murder by CB with: "Both. It's combined." ?!

 

[NewAvenger]

I recall early reports last year just before CB was named had stated that the Germans had TWO persons of interest. Could someone please remind me of an even earlier report that claimed Ney knew something that only the abductor would have known? And what that content was?

 

[tedtink]

I recall early reports last year just before CB was named had stated that the Germans had TWO persons of interest. Could someone please remind me of an even earlier report that claimed Ney knew something that only the abductor would have known? And what that content was?

It's here - May 2019...............
Why Authorities Are So Hopeful About New Break in Maddie McCann Case

 

[NewAvenger]

Cheers, Ted. Wonder what his involvement is in this crime

 

[tedtink]

According to the known podcast i would like to remember, that he answered the question if there is evidence of abducting or murder by CB with: "Both. It's combined." ?!

MS - "Do you believe the suspect acted alone?"
HCW- "I'm not able to comment on this at the moment"
MS - "OK- again...(inaudible) the concrete evidence Mr Wolters is that MM is dead or is it the concrete evidence that CB is responsible for the murder of MM?"
HCW "Both, both, it's combined, so it's the same".

'Madeleine is Dead' - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

This is what is puzzling me - why the 5a abduction part has not been mentioned over these past few months and HCW has never seemed to want to discuss that part.

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to the known podcast i would like to remember, that he answered the question if there is evidence of abducting or murder by CB with: "Both. It's combined." ?!

Yes. From minute 21:06 in the podcast. Including not being able to talk about if the suspect acted alone or not!

'Madeleine is Dead' – They've Taken Her – Podcast

 

[SuperdadV8]

MS - "Do you believe the suspect acted alone?"
HCW- "I'm not able to comment on this at the moment"
MS - "OK- again...(inaudible) the concrete evidence Mr Wolters is that MM is dead or is it the concrete evidence that CB is responsible for the murder of MM?"
HCW "Both, both, it's combined, so it's the same".

'Madeleine is Dead' - They've Taken Her - Omny.fm

This is what is puzzling me - why the 5a abduction part has not been mentioned over these past few months and HCW has never seemed to want to discuss that part.

As long as there is no indication that MM has been handed over to CB, the murder should include a earlier abduction in any way....?!

Even if an accomplice has been involved, working togehter is one single case of abduction, then being done by two criminals/perps working together IMO.

 

[Carly@lul]

The smith family said the man they saw looked like GM maybe it was MN..... and CB was involved after... just a thought

 

[tedtink]

So theoretically one case of abduction?
One case of murder?
Would German Law include 'accessory' to crimes too? Like accessory to murder?

 

[tedtink]

As long as there is no indication that MM has been handed over to CB, the murder should include a earlier abduction in any way....?!

Even if an accomplice has been involved, working togehter is one single case of abduction, then being done by two criminals/perps working together IMO.

If MN said something 'only MM's kidnapper would know', then.....

1 - CB told him something/online/in person
2- MN was involved in some way or another.
3 - MN heard a 'rumor'
4 - It's rubbish reporting.

JMO

 

[SuperdadV8]

So theoretically one case of abduction?
One case of murder?
Would German Law include 'accessory' to crimes too? Like accessory to murder?

Of course, german laws include punishment of the "helping hand". That creates the problem, that no accomplice would make a confession in a murder case.

Except his accessory would just relate to a crime, that has nothing to do with the murder itself. For example an abduction, maybe to abuse the victim, without the knowledge about the intent of the other accomplice to commit murder at the end.

If that would be the case, it would be very hard to get a sentence for accessory to murder, but easily to abduction or abuse. Unfortuneatly these crimes are subject to a statue of limitation in germany.

But it could explain someone with concrete knowledge coming out after almost exactly ten years after the abduction....

 

[SuperdadV8]

If MN said something 'only MM's kidnapper would know', then.....

1 - CB told him something/online/in person
2- MN was involved in some way or another.
3 - MN heard a 'rumor'
4 - It's rubbish reporting.

JMO

Don't forget the possible No. 5 and 6:

- CB as a copycat of the masked man
- The masked man as the instigator

 

[tedtink]

But it could explain someone with concrete knowledge coming out after almost exactly ten years after the abduction....

Interesting!

 

[SuperdadV8]

Interesting!

"Simple" sexual abuse of children, § 176 I StGB

A criminal offense according to § 176 Paragraph 1 StGB, ie the "simple" sexual abuse of children, expires in ten years according to § 78 Paragraph 3 No. 3 StGB. For the actual implementation of Section 176 (1) StGB, it is assumed, for example, that sexual acts were carried out on a person under the age of fourteen (child) or that the perpetrator had sexual acts carried out by a child. However, there are other alternative facts under Section 176 of the Criminal Code, for which other, shorter (five years) statute of limitations also apply.

The same is true to accessory/criminal aid/instigation.

 

[SuperdadV8]

As long as there is no indication that MM has been handed over to CB, the murder should include a earlier abduction in any way....?!

Even if an accomplice has been involved, working togehter is one single case of abduction, then being done by two criminals/perps working together IMO.

There would be one exception. The victim has died at the apartment. Then there wouldn't be room for an abduction, just for the murder. German laws do not contain the possibility of abduction on dead persons so far.

 

[tedtink]

"Simple" sexual abuse of children, § 176 I StGB

A criminal offense according to § 176 Paragraph 1 StGB, ie the "simple" sexual abuse of children, expires in ten years according to § 78 Paragraph 3 No. 3 StGB. For the actual implementation of Section 176 (1) StGB, it is assumed, for example, that sexual acts were carried out on a person under the age of fourteen (child) or that the perpetrator had sexual acts carried out by a child. However, there are other alternative facts under Section 176 of the Criminal Code, for which other, shorter (five years) statute of limitations also apply.

The same is true to accessory/criminal aid/instigation.

Possibly why he held on to his passwords for so long.

 

[tedtink]

Different reports on MN coming from DE.
Not mentioning 'charged'
Kindermörder Martin Ney: "Maskenmann" wurde nach Frankreich ausgeliefert

French mentioning 'Indicted' .......

https://www.sudinfo.be/id315554/art...enlevement-et-le-meurtre-du-jeune-jonathan-en

 

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