Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #23

[SuperdadV8]

I would like to mention, that HCW changed his statements over the time. Pretty soon around summer 2020 he stated that he is just investigating CB. IMO not, that CB acted alone without any doubt so far.

Around october 2020, in the known podcast, he answered the question if CB acted alone or had an accomplice with a statement like that he isn't able to comment on that!

Maybe some people in here should think about that again, before giving muzzels in a harsh and IMO inappropriate way, as if they were one of the mods...

No offense!

 

[Trivento]

I would like to mention, that HCW changed his statements over the time. Pretty soon around summer 2020 he stated that he is just investigating CB. IMO not, that CB acted alone without any doubt so far.

Around october 2020, in the known podcast, he answered the question if CB acted alone or had an accomplice with a statement like that he isn't able to comment on that!

Maybe some people in here should think about that again, before giving muzzels in a harsh and IMO inappropriate way, as if they were one of the mods...

No offense!

Agreed..
Speaking generally about investigations , I should imagine if anyone ( maybe some here already have been ) ...could be a fly on the wall of a major police inquiry ( MM certainly that ) ..would probably be astonished at the range and depth of research into seemingly unrelated and obscure information that goes on . One only needs to watch docs / accounts related to previous big cases to get a feel of that..eg. details of where and how things are made , life histories of people not even main suspects etc...etc..
It surprises me somewhat how readily some here would appear to want to dismiss discussion of things that actually seem fairly relevant to this thread , never mind more obscure things that I have mentioned above .
Of course we’re all entitled to opinions , but there have been other large cases , eg. Yorkshire Ripper , where things were initially dismissed , by police even , as being irrelevant , and turned out not to be .
Until facts are known , is it not best to be a bit more open minded to certain lines of enquiry ?

 

[Lilly b]

Agreed..
Speaking generally about investigations , I should imagine if anyone ( maybe some here already have been ) ...could be the fly on the wall of a major police enquiry ( MM certainly that ) ..would probably be astonished at the range and depth of research into seemingly unrelated and obscure information that goes on . One only needs to watch docs / accounts related to previous big cases to get a feel of that..eg. details of where and how things are made , life histories of people not even main suspects etc...etc..
It surprises me somewhat how readily some here would appear to want to dismiss discussion of things that actually seem fairly relevant to this thread , never mind more obscure things that I have mentioned above .
Of course we’re all entitled to opinions , but there have been other large cases , eg. Yorkshire Ripper , where things were initially dismissed , by police even , as being irrelevant, and turned out not to be .
Until facts are known is it best not to be a bit more open minded to certain lines of enquiry ?

Yes, you have to be open minded, none of us know what happened, and so things have to be discussed, think it's the whole point of being on here.
And we can only go with what we find in the press etc, some things could be true some not, some things are fact, some are not. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, Me included

 

[snowpea666]

I would like to mention, that HCW changed his statements over the time. Pretty soon around summer 2020 he stated that he is just investigating CB. IMO not, that CB acted alone without any doubt so far.

Around october 2020, in the known podcast, he answered the question if CB acted alone or had an accomplice with a statement like that he isn't able to comment on that!

Maybe some people in here should think about that again, before giving muzzels in a harsh and IMO inappropriate way, as if they were one of the mods...

No offense!

 

[redplanet]

Further to chats above...aside from any news items , there is no denying a photo of MN looks very like an efit that was released , related to MM ....therefore believe it's worth considering him to be a possible candidate for one of the men seen on terrace of 5C on 3rd May 2007 , CB perhaps being the other.
That's just speculation of course , but to me wouldn't feel right to ignore looking into MN a bit.

That identikit image was IMO produced by witness CT and is of the blonde man she saw going out of a gate.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/90208...partment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/

 

[Trivento]

That identikit image was IMO produced by witness CT and is of the blonde man she saw going out of a gate.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/90208...partment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/

Thanks..so potentially a significant sighting . She reported man as behaving suspiciously and have not so far heard any reports of CT’s testimony being discounted in the same way of sighting related to Ju.To. .
Same man could also have been one of the 2 seen on 5C terrace on 3rd May .
The CT and JJ/AW sightings being very close together in time and distance .
Would be interesting to know if JJ and her sister have anything to say about the efit and photos of CB and MN , but I guess they should only be telling the police about that right now .

 

[redplanet]

Thanks..so potentially a significant sighting . She reported man as behaving suspiciously and have not so far heard any reports of CT’s testimony being discounted in the same way of sighting related to Ju.To. . Same man could also have been one of the 2 seen on 5C terrace on 3rd May . Would be interesting to know if JJ and her sister have anything to say about the efit and photos of CB and MN , but I guess they should only be telling the police about that right now .

The 2 men seen by JJ and sister on a balcony both had blond hair, one curly. I wonder if police ever checked with the (then) owner of apartment 5C to ask if anyone was staying there that week.

 

[redplanet]

The sighting by CT was on 3 May. The UK police for a long time mistakenly thought it was on 29 April. This mistake by UK police (wrong by 4 days) caused the sighting to not be properly investigated IMO.

 

[Trivento]

The 2 men seen by JJ and sister on a balcony both had blond hair, one curly. I wonder if police ever checked with the (then) owner of apartment 5C to ask if anyone was staying there that week.

According to JJ account of the apartment on NFX ( episode 9 @21 to 23.20 mins )...she thought it looked unoccupied , and men were just using the terrace area as a sort of viewing platform .

 

[redplanet]

The short "almost shaven" hair of CT's gate-closing-man is maybe shorter than CB's hair???

 

[redplanet]

According to JJ account of the apartment on NFx ( episode 9 @21 mins )...she thought it looked unoccupied , and men were just using the terrace area as a sort of viewing platform .

IMO if the 2 men were on 5C balcony without permission it was probably to see if 5C sliding door could be opened for burglary purposes. Their apparent looking out over the tapas/pools area would only be what they were faking/pretending to do, as cover.

 

[Trivento]

The short "almost shaven" hair of CT's gate-closing-man is maybe shorter than CB's hair???

Yes..am wondering what sort of hairstyle MN had at the time..if is allowed to mention him of course !

 

[redplanet]

Yes..am wondering what sort of hairstyle MN had at the time..if is allowed to mention him of course !

Gateclosingman, and both balconymen, were blond.

 

[Trivento]

Yes..and MN has blond / light hair ..as seen about 39.08 mins into this clip...

And also various shots of him within this clip...

So just speculating is a chance could have been him sighted twice ( gate-closing and terrace ) on 3rd May 2007.

Also CB hair quite light colour or blond even as per this picture..( so chance CB the other balcony man )

 

[SuperdadV8]

Yes..and MN has blond / light hair ..as seen about 39.08 mins into this clip...

And also various shots of him within this clip...

So just speculating is a chance could have been him sighted twice ( gate-closing and terrace ) on 3rd May 2007.

Also CB hair quite light colour or blond even as per this picture..( so chance CB the other balcony man )

The problem is, that the appearence of him in the videos as another possible suspect represent a time in the mid 90's. Other videos that show him on one of his final workplaces, what must be around 2010/2011 show a stout, almost bald man.

So it is hard to assume how he might have looked in may 2007 at the age of 36/37. Much later after 2007, according to known GerdX chats, he seemed to be a lot into booze, so the appearance could have changed quickly, of course.

At least the media kept him in focus over MM and being in the area around may 2007 more than once, since 2019 was another german in focus, that is known as CB already. According to the witness testimony, there is a possibility, that both german paedos that have been connected to her disappearance, could be connected to each other in some way. Why shouldn't that be a part of the investigation? JMO

 

[Trivento]

Gateclosingman, and both balconymen, were blond.

Yes...and MN has blond / light hair ..as seen about 39.08 mins into this clip...

And also various shots of him within this clip...

So just speculating is a chance could have been him sighted twice ( gate-closing and terrace ) on 3rd May 2007 .

Also CB hair quite light colour or blond even as per this picture ..( so chance CB the other balcony man )

 

[SuperdadV8]

That identikit image was IMO produced by witness CT and is of the blonde man she saw going out of a gate.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/90208...partment-on-day-she-vanished-queens-pal-says/

"He was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short... But not like a footballer, do you know what I mean? A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

He was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian, if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian."

That fits MN very likely, according to most of the pictures/footage, especially this one:

Mort du petit Jonathan : un tueur en série allemand mis en examen

I do not find any info about the other blonde man, that may have had curly hair. Somebody stated it before in here. But whilst looking at the hitchhikers footage it seems, that CB was using some kind of hair-gel at the time. IMO this gel is capable of curling even straight hair in it's drying process, so the sighting could have represented CB.

Fall Maddie McCann: Christian B. nahm 2007 drei Urlauber im Camper mit ...

So there is at least a small possibility, that both had been near 5A at the time of the disappearance, checking out the area probably.

That doesn't mean that MN has been a part in the murder, but it could mean, that he may have some crucial knowledge about CB. Even some evidence, that both similar acting criminals may have known each other around 2007, could be crucial in the MM investigations IMO, because that allows very special approaches in the investigation.

 

[Trivento]

"He was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short... But not like a footballer, do you know what I mean? A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

He was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian, if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian."

That fits MN very likely, according to most of the pictures/footage, especially this one:

Mort du petit Jonathan : un tueur en série allemand mis en examen

I do not find any info about the other blonde man, that may have had curly hair. Somebody stated it before in here. But whilst looking at the hitchhikers footage it seems, that CB was using some kind of hair-gel at the time. IMO this gel is capable of curling even straight hair in it's drying process, so the sighting could have represented CB.

Fall Maddie McCann: Christian B. nahm 2007 drei Urlauber im Camper mit ...

So there is at least a small possibility, that both had been near 5A at the time of the disappearance, checking out the area probably.

That doesn't mean that MN has been a part in the murder, but it could mean, that he may have some crucial knowledge about CB. Even some evidence, that both similar acting criminals may have known each other around 2007, could be crucial in the MM investigations IMO, because that allows very special approaches in the investigation.

Also ..am not aware of other suggestions from any sources ( news or holidaymaker reports etc ) so far , as to who the afternoon 3rd May sightings of 2 blond men could have been..other than CB and MN . After almost 14 years nothing else has been put forward .. as far as publicly known at least I believe ..although that not enough of course to say it was them .

 

[NewAvenger]

Just heard on the radio that Ney has indeed been charged and that some of his previous offences involved girls.

 

[Ausgrlz]

MN's denial was sustained by "material evidence". He had a kind of alibi showing that he couldn't have been in France on the day of the crime:
his bank/credit card had been used in Germany on April 7th, 2004.
Martin N. aurait utilisé sa carte de crédit en Allemagne au moment de l'enlèvement de Jonathan, la nuit du 7 avril 2004.
Meurtre de Jonathan : la piste allemande fragilisée

IMO CB has always had a very solid alibi which despite other evidence may have introduced an element of doubt to jurors. Perhaps this was what the phone call to Lisbon was about, getting a digital alibi at the right time.