Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

[Trivento]

Maddie McCann fund set up by parents has £750k for own search if police end hunt

I wonder who is the audience for the comments

Is the idea to prepare the public for disappointment so they don't give up on the case? But if CB did do it, how can the search continue?

A normal PR strategy would be to offer hope for the German investigation, and urge the public to get in touch with any info that might help. Instead they seem to demotivate ....

I often wonder if MM parents are equally bemused by press articles which say things like " they are said to have been told by police "

Are such press reports based on anything recent and real ? Hard to tell...
Or is it a repeat of something that someone has speculated " possibly/ might " have been said to them ..third hand ..some time previously..?

 

[mrjitty]

Maddie McCann fund set up by parents has £750k for own search if police end hunt



I often wonder if MM parents are equally bemused by press articles which say things like " they are said to have been told by police "

Are such press reports based on anything recent and real ? Hard to tell...
Or is it a repeat of something that someone has speculated " possibly/ might " have been said to them ..third hand ..some time previously..?

Possibly, but in the established tabloid speak for this case a "Pal of the McCanns" generally means an attributed comment but not a direct quote.

This is similar to "government sources say" i.e. a quote from an official press spokesperson, but not attributed to any particular person.

I think if this quote was wrong, the family would likely correct it.

Which brings me full circle back to the one aspect I find odd. You would think they'd be excited about this potential breakthrough and be urging the public to help out. Maybe the Met really are not excited about it.

The official FB page doesn't even appear to be promoting the CB lead??

 

[Trivento]

Possibly, but in the established tabloid speak for this case a "Pal of the McCanns" generally means an attributed comment but not a direct quote.

This is similar to "government sources say" i.e. a quote from an official press spokesperson, but not attributed to any particular person.

I think if this quote was wrong, the family would likely correct it.

Which brings me full circle back to the one aspect I find odd. You would think they'd be excited about this potential breakthrough and be urging the public to help out. Maybe the Met really are not excited about it.

The official FB page doesn't even appear to be promoting the CB lead??

Yes...the lack of alignment is curious..it makes you think there are things maybe HCW team know that OG don’t know , and also perhaps things that OG team know that German police not aware of ?..possibly..

 

[SuperdadV8]

Possibly, but in the established tabloid speak for this case a "Pal of the McCanns" generally means an attributed comment but not a direct quote.

This is similar to "government sources say" i.e. a quote from an official press spokesperson, but not attributed to any particular person.

I think if this quote was wrong, the family would likely correct it.

Which brings me full circle back to the one aspect I find odd. You would think they'd be excited about this potential breakthrough and be urging the public to help out. Maybe the Met really are not excited about it.

The official FB page doesn't even appear to be promoting the CB lead??

I assume, that the parents just do not give up hope to find their daughter alive one day and some possible suspects and leads may had been discussed with the OG over the years.

In 2020 some german prosecutors told the world that they are investigating the case as a murder case and there still hasn't been a charge, because they already reported the lack of a body. The verdicts haven't or existing evidence hasn't been shared by HCW, so the hope of the parents stays alive until there isn't any proof for them, that the child is dead for sure. For me, it's a not unusual behavior.

Just watched the latest Discovery+ broadcast in that case and two statements were pretty interesting to me. The first was made by HCW as he mentioned possible evidence they have as "It could be witnesses, pictures or video."

The second one has been made by FF about the question, what his client has told him about what has been found at the Hannover-allotment-raid. His face and likely harsh answer: "I'm not allowed to speak about that!" was very intense to me and seemed also some kind of inconvienent to FF either. Also his answer to the question, where his client has been and has done on may the 3rd 2007. His answer was: "Do you know, what you have done on may the 3rd 2007?" He didn't say e.g., "My client doesn't know what he has done that day, 14 years ago.".

In july 2020 he answered a question in a similar context to the allotment-raod with: "Nothing that is related to the MM-case!"

I would assume, that there has been some developement since last summer and FF has talked about some things, HE as a solicitor isn't allowed to lie about so he must avoid any straight answer to it.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I assume, that the parents just do not give up hope to find their daughter alive one day and some possible suspects and leads may had been discussed with the OG over the years.

In 2020 some german prosecutors told the world that they are investigating the case as a murder case and there still hasn't been a charge, because they already reported the lack of a body. The verdicts haven't or existing evidence hasn't been shared by HCW, so the hope of the parents stays alive until there isn't any proof for them, that the child is dead for sure. For me, it's a not unusual behavior.

Just watched the latest Discovery+ broadcast in that case and two statements were pretty interesting to me. The first was made by HCW as he mentioned possible evidence they have as "It could be witnesses, pictures or video."

The second one has been made by FF about the question, what his client has told him about what has been found at the Hannover-allotment-raid. His face and likely harsh answer: "I'm not allowed to speak about that!" was very intense to me and seemed also some kind of inconvienent to FF either. Also his answer to the question, where his client has been and has done on may the 3rd 2007. His answer was: "Do you know, what you have done on may the 3rd 2007?" He didn't say e.g., "My client doesn't know what he has done that day, 14 years ago.".

In july 2020 he answered a question in a similar context to the allotment-raod with: "Nothing that is related to the MM-case!"

I would assume, that there has been some developement since last summer and FF has talked about some things, HE as a solicitor isn't allowed to lie about so he must avoid any straight answer to it.

AFAIK the documentary was finished in february 2021.

1:1 transcript of the HCW statement:

"I can't tell to much about the particular verdicts we have. What i can say is, that we do not have forensic evidence for MM's death. That means, that we do not have a body or parts of the body. Otherwise we do have other evidence. That can be witnesses, videos or pictures. But actually i'm not able to tell you, what particular evidence it is that we have, because in our view, the right time for it hasn't come yet."

So THAT is a statement, because you can say nothing whilst telling everything IMO....

 

[SuperdadV8]

This is a screenshot from the Discovery+ broadcast that shows a hand written termination of lease of CB's allotment in Brunswick.

Although i'm far away from being an expert, i do not see any similarity to the Neuwegersleben graffiti.

 

[Trivento]

The verdicts haven't or existing evidence hasn't been shared by HCW, so the hope of the parents stays alive until there isn't any proof for them, that the child is dead for sure. For me, it's a not unusual behavior.

This is correct imo...they have been led up other garden paths in the past that led nowhere..so is unrealistic to expect them to give up hope unless given clear unambiguous evidence to the contrary.
Ref. a comment on another post on here ..I don’t think they would ever be “excited” about the CB breakthrough.
They may have to reluctantly accept that things could be moving in that direction unfortunately.

 

[Ekliptika]

I relate to the parents reaction. If German LE is right in their assumptions about CB being involved or responsible for MM disapperence and murder, this is the worst possible outcome for them, it must be unbearable for them. It is unbearable for me to go Down that line of thinking, that someone could do something like that to child, what she experienced during those last hours of her life, and I am am just a stranger, not personally involved. So if I were them, I would also choose not believe what German police are claiming, until I had solid prof evidence that would Force me to face my biggest fear. Until that happens I would try my best to stay positive, Call it denial or what, because anything else would tear me apart. I feel so sorry for these parents. Imagine how it must feel that LE States they have evidence your missing child is dead and associate this with a child predator. And not knowing what LE knows, that would drive me insane. So guess they have to hold on to some kind of hope as Long as they Can.

 

[Monic]

I think they have one witness Helge B. He is the one CB told, he killed Madeleine.. I think he told more, than we know and the media knows.

 

[Sharkbite]

I think they have one witness Helge B. He is the one CB told, he killed Madeleine.. I think he told more, than we know and the media knows.

I've often wondered about where HB said he actually met CB. He says himself a bit cryptically that he met CB at his white walled red roofed home in Portimao, but this was apparently before CB was locked up. Portimao prison anno 2006 did have white walls and a red roof much like 90% of buildings in the Algarve, but afaik we have no other address for CB in Portimao other than the prison.

I remember reading a very early article that stated CB had left the PDL farmhouse late 2005, early 2006 and could have possibly moved to the Portimao area. (Possibly together with MT at this time) Were CB/MT staying at this mystery address at the time of the diesel theft?

Strange that there is no evidence/proof of the supposed address in Portimao

 

[mrjitty]

I relate to the parents reaction. If German LE is right in their assumptions about CB being involved or responsible for MM disapperence and murder, this is the worst possible outcome for them, it must be unbearable for them. It is unbearable for me to go Down that line of thinking, that someone could do something like that to child, what she experienced during those last hours of her life, and I am am just a stranger, not personally involved. So if I were them, I would also choose not believe what German police are claiming, until I had solid prof evidence that would Force me to face my biggest fear. Until that happens I would try my best to stay positive, Call it denial or what, because anything else would tear me apart. I feel so sorry for these parents. Imagine how it must feel that LE States they have evidence your missing child is dead and associate this with a child predator. And not knowing what LE knows, that would drive me insane. So guess they have to hold on to some kind of hope as Long as they Can.

These are all good points. I nevertheless find it odd that they promote the other potential child abductors, but not this one. Maybe they simply feel there is no point in doing so.

 

[mrjitty]

I think they have one witness Helge B. He is the one CB told, he killed Madeleine.. I think he told more, than we know and the media knows.

This is my suspicion as well.

 

[Ekliptika]

These are all good points. I nevertheless find it odd that they promote the other potential child abductors, but not this one. Maybe they simply feel there is no point in doing so.

I don’t disagree with you on this one. I have found many of the things the parents do and have done in this case odd.

 

[Loobyloo]

This is a screenshot from the Discovery+ broadcast that shows a hand written termination of lease of CB's allotment in Brunswick.

Although i'm far away from being an expert, i do not see any similarity to the Neuwegersleben graffiti.
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Thanks for posting these clips side by side - really interesting.

There's bound to be a difference between writing on paper with a pen & writing on a wall with paint - quite different hand/arm movements are involved. I studied graphology many years ago & to me, the handwriting looks quite similar in some key respects:

• regular, simple letter formation with no flamboyant loops or 'decorative' flourishes - more like printing than fully joined up cursive writing (can indicate a childish/immature approach)
• fairly wide spacing between words (can be negative or positive - emotional detachment or a scientific/analytical/calculating approach to things)
• avoids overlapping between lines - the down strokes on one line don't get tangled up with the up strokes of the next line (like the word spacing this suggests an orderly, logical approach rather than imaginative/emotional)
• distinctive way the horizontal cross bars (on upper case T, B, F) extend to the left rather than being central (can denote an excessive attachment to the past)

Overall it strikes me as a very controlled style - not the writing of someone inclined to spontaneous, open, affectionate behaviour. But more importantly (because graphology is far from being an exact science) these features do incline me to think there's a strong possibility the same person wrote both texts.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Thanks for posting these clips side by side - really interesting.

There's bound to be a difference between writing on paper with a pen & writing on a wall with paint - quite different hand/arm movements are involved. I studied graphology many years ago & to me, the handwriting looks quite similar in some key respects:

• regular, simple letter formation with no flamboyant loops or 'decorative' flourishes - more like printing than fully joined up cursive writing (can indicate a childish/immature approach)
• fairly wide spacing between words (can be negative or positive - emotional detachment or a scientific/analytical/calculating approach to things)
• avoids overlapping between lines - the down strokes on one line don't get tangled up with the up strokes of the next line (like the word spacing this suggests an orderly, logical approach rather than imaginative/emotional)
• distinctive way the horizontal cross bars (on upper case T, B, F) extend to the left rather than being central (can denote an excessive attachment to the past)

Overall it strikes me as a very controlled style - not the writing of someone inclined to spontaneous, open, affectionate behaviour. But more importantly (because graphology is far from being an exact science) these features do incline me to think there's a strong possibility the same person wrote both texts.

Great and interesting post Loobyloo! Thank you for this!!

 

[Trivento]

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B to be charged with rape of Irish woman

Hope this woman gets her answers and justice.

 

[mrjitty]

This is interesting - the Mail has the same article but it seems to be based on a Sunday Times article which might have more concrete quotes but is paywalled. It is hard to tell in the Mail if the quotes from HCW are new or recycled?

"Hoping to charge in the next 3 months" seems a very strange leak and not something that HCW would say?

So who is the source for this story?

Is this just tabloid stuff ahead of the anniversary?

 

[Lilly b]

This is interesting - the Mail has the same article but it seems to be based on a Sunday Times article which might have more concrete quotes but is paywalled. It is hard to tell in the Mail if the quotes from HCW are new or recycled?

"Hoping to charge in the next 3 months" seems a very strange leak and not something that HCW would say?

So who is the source for this story?

Is this just tabloid stuff ahead of the anniversary?

I would more likely think this is nothing to do with mm anniversary. I think that the case was being looked into as she requested. I also think that dna was destroyed by the PJ, from what I've read, also read that dna didn't match, but I personally just think that's not correct, her description of him was spot on, even regarding birth marks, his eyes his description. Wonder whether he has taken any pictures, she may not be aware, if for instance she was not facing him, I don't think she has mentioned it being filmed, unlike the the older woman.

 

[JB1510]

I would more likely think this is nothing to do with mm anniversary. I think that the case was being looked into as she requested. I also think that dna was destroyed by the PJ, from what I've read, also read that dna didn't match, but I personally just think that's not correct, her description of him was spot on, even regarding birth marks, his eyes his description. Wonder whether he has taken any pictures, she may not be aware, if for instance she was not facing him, I don't think she has mentioned it being filmed, unlike the the older woman.

Very interesting , it would be good to have verified I think if there is any news it will come tomorrow on the 14th anniversary or on what would have been Maddie’s 18th Birthday.I remember when the HB story broke FF mistakingly said HB had reported Brueckner had a birthmark on his right buttock , she actually said his right thigh which if is accurate could well be a strong lead when combined with any other evidence they may have. If the rumours are correct then the Germans are again prosecuting a Portuguese crime be interesting if they also proceed with the indecent exposure on the beach the week before MM went missing .

 

[JB1510]

Bit more info here from the Irish Independent

with some direct quotes from HCW .

I think these are new quotes ?

Madeleine McCann suspect to be charged with rape of Irish woman in Portugal resort